Stripping expatriate right to vote may be unconstitutional

[CDNBear]

Canadian Law was changed in the Citizenship Act of Trudeau. In that, there were provisions that were illegal since they were retroactive.

What provisions are those?

The International Law cannot be changed and, if Canada tried to flout it, Canada would be subject to retaliation.

LOL, please, post a link to this law.

Ok, what "international law" are you babbling about that would impact on Canadian citizenship. Please post a link to back this up.

Don't hold your breath.

You don't have the right to vote in the USA if you own land in Florida and Arizona for a winter get away..

That's right. It's about time you caught up.

 

[SLM]

Ok, what "international law" are you babbling about that would impact on Canadian citizenship. Please post a link to back this up.

And this is where it always all falls apart. It's becoming as regular as the sun.

US Citizens owning land in Canada and paying taxes, were not BORN in Canada?? You don't have the right to vote in the USA if you own land in Florida and Arizona for a winter get away..

However, a US Citizen may vote as an ex-pat.

U.S. tax filing requirements are based on citizenship. Canadian tax filing requirements are based on residency. If you are a deemed resident you pay taxes. Those are the rules.

 

[gerryh]

However, a US Citizen may vote as an ex-pat in the USA.

Good for them, what does that have to do with Canada.

anyone know if american expats have to pay taxes in the u.s. as well as in the country they are working and living in?

 

[CDNBear]

seriously.. :roll: you should go back and re-read the posts then.

I don't have to, I know where the conversation is.

maybe you should go back and reread a couple of your posts. I just ignored the incoherent bits.

If you're born a Canadian citizen or naturalized, it should not matter where in the fukking world you want to live, you get a vote. PERIOD!!

I disagree.

anyone know if american expats have to pay taxes in the u.s. as well as in the country they are working and living in?

I believe that pay taxes on their property, I know they can work tax free in certain global locals.

 

[SLM]

U.S. tax filing requirements are based on citizenship. Canadian tax filing requirements are based on residency. If you are a deemed resident you pay taxes. Those are the rules.

wrong.

You can be a Canadian citizen, resident of the USA. But if you have what "Revenue Canada" deems significant ties to Canada.. property, income or investment.. you are still considered resident for taxation purpose.

That's what I said.

So by Revenue Canada standards you are deemed resident for taxation purpose, but because you're not living in Canada you are deemed an ex-pat by the Federal government and stripped of your right to vote.

Voting standards are not determined by CRA.

 

[SLM]

Good for them, what does that have to do with Canada.

anyone know if american expats have to pay taxes in the u.s. as well as in the country they are working and living in?

To the best of my knowledge if you are an American citizen, regardless of where you are residing, you must file an U.S. tax return. The requirement to file is based on citizenship. I don't know for sure if there are any exceptions to that rule, I just know that is the basic rule.

I would assume most nations require people who are working within their borders to report their income.

 

[B00Mer]

Dude, you really need to learn how to read.

You just supported what she said...

maybe if you read the whole post..

So by Revenue Canada standards you are deemed resident for taxation purpose, but because you're not living in Canada you are deemed an ex-pat by the Federal government and stripped of your right to vote.

It's a double standard.. you are deemed Resident for Tax purpose.. but under this new law you are deemed ex-pat and stripped of your right to vote?????????

Is that fair.. NO?

Look I can agree if a person basically cuts all ties with Canada, not paying taxes, not employing people.. fine. You been out of the country for 5 years, you don't get to vote.

But if you are contributing to the economy, via taxes, employees, etc. even if you are not resident of Canada.. you are still making viable contributions and should not be stripped of your rights as a citizens to vote..

If that's the case.. watch Canadian's start to pull their investments out of Canada.

If I decide to move to the US and I know I can not vote because I am ex-pat.. I would layoff 5 employees and move my money to the USA. No incentive to keep it in Canada..

Perfect example K. C. Irving

 

[gerryh]

If I decide to move to the US and I know I can not vote because I am ex-pat.. I would layoff 5 employees and move my money to the USA. No incentive to keep it in Canada..

http://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&rct=j...o5TnDQ&usg=AFQjCNHTAdVkc6i6yXpcoEvZVuo8UNCpXQ

Bye bye.

 

[B00Mer]

To the best of my knowledge if you are an American citizen, regardless of where you are residing, you must file an U.S. tax return. The requirement to file is based on citizenship. I don't know for sure if there are any exceptions to that rule, I just know that is the basic rule.

You are correct there.. your taxation is based on citizenship.

...and some folks go to the extreme to escape the taxes..

Facebook Co-Founder Saverin Gives Up U.S. Citizenship Before IPO - Businessweek

Facebook Billionaire Gives Up Citizenship to Escape Bad American Tax Policy - Forbes

Bye bye.

C - Ya.

Don't get Frost Bite up there..

 

[WLDB]

As it would. The way our medical works it would be people like myself, taxpayers, that would end up paying for her upkeep, and you can suck my dick if you think I would be fine with paying for an americans medical conditions when they have never contributed to our social network.

I'd take you up on that but you'd likely enjoy it too much.

 

[CDNBear]

maybe if you read the whole post..

Why?

You admit I was right...

You are correct there.. your taxation is based on citizenship.

Right there.

Is that fair.. NO?

Yes.

Look I can agree if a person basically cuts all ties with Canada, not paying taxes, not employing people.. fine. You been out of the country for 5 years, you don't get to vote.

Well now we agree, lol. If you had read my posts, you would know, that's pretty much what I said, lol.

But if you are contributing to the economy, via taxes, employees, etc. even if you are not resident of Canada.. you are still making viable contributions and should not be stripped of your rights as a citizens to vote..

I could agree to that compromise.

 

[SLM]

You are correct there.. your taxation is based on citizenship.

I was correct before because I was replying to this....

US Citizens owning land in Canada and paying taxes, were not BORN in Canada??

They don't have to be born here, or even hold citizenship because they are deemed residents.

Which is what I said.

I made no comment about voting rights.

 

[CDNBear]

WTF, CNDBear and SLM.. first off.. get a room. What are you to politicians... if not you should be.. because, you dodge or twist everything.. it's like a great big circle jerk with you two on the same thread.

Your deviant sexual proclivities aside.

You don`t have to get all upset and act out because you embarrassed yourself.

 

[SLM]

WTF, CNDBear and SLM.. first off.. get a room. What are you to politicians... if not you should be.. because, you dodge or twist everything.. it's like a great big circle jerk with you two on the same thread.

Good grief! You're the one who posted the incredulous question, I merely replied to it. Then you were the one who "corrected me" by posting the same damn thing I posted in the first place.

And just because you're obsessed with jacking off doesn't mean we all want to hear about it all the time. Actually we never want to hear about that particular obsession.

 

[CDNBear]

Yup sure, whatever.

Oh oh, BOOMer is tired, cranky and all upset having embarrassed himself.

What's next.. heil Harper

LOL...

come off it.. I'm Conservative.. and I just don't agree with stripping Canadian citizens of any rights unless it's because of war crimes or criminal convictions..

Maybe instead of telling me to reread posts, you should just read your own, once...

Look I can agree if a person basically cuts all ties with Canada, not paying taxes, not employing people.. fine. You been out of the country for 5 years, you don't get to vote.

You and Cabbagefarts, have the same issue with contradicting yourself.

nuff said

Quite.

 

[B00Mer]

Look I can agree if a person basically cuts all ties with Canada, not paying taxes, not employing people.. fine. You been out of the country for 5 years, you don't get to vote.

It was in agreement with your view on this (a small concession).. but I don't think it's right..

However.. if someone has cut all ties to Canada.. I'm sure they don't care much either way if they can vote or not.. which is sad..

Anyone with a Canadian passport should be proud to hold a document that is not so hated around the world as our counterpart south of the border.

It's funny how US Citizens while traveling abroad will wear a Canadian flag.. huh? :canada:

Should Americans pretend to be Canadian while traveling abroad?

So when the government want's to strip rights away from Canadian's who have just decided to live outside Canada.. ?? why??

heil Harper

 

[Praxius]

I was only out of Canada for a couple of months by the time the last election came along and I wasn't allowed to vote.... which was crap. I checked online on the government's web site and filled out my details, and since I wasn't planning on returning back into Canada right away, I wasn't allowed to vote, which was BS if you ask me.

I think the excuse had something to do with me no longer having a perm. address of living back in NS.

One would think I should still be allowed to vote in the area I last called home back in Nova Scotia..... I am still a Canadian Citizen and last I checked, I have the right to vote just like any other Canadian Citizen.

While I'm living in Australia, I am not an Australian Citizen and currently going through the process of Perm. Resident Application..... either way, I can not vote in Australia..... yet I can't vote in Canada anymore either.

I don't know wtf this 5 year thing is all about, cuz I haven't even been out of the country for that long and still wasn't allowed to vote.

The rule denying the vote to Canadians outside the country for more than five years was enacted in 1993 amid debate about the strength of their ties to Canada and how well informed they are about the domestic political situation.

The Strength of one's ties to Canada and how well informed they are about the domestic political situation is very subjective to the individual.

I still have friends and family back in Canada, I still plan to return from time to time (when work and money permit) to visit my friends and family..... I still read the news in Canada almost every day.... hell, I'm still posting in here. I'm probably more informed on the domestic political situation than most average Canadians living inside of Canada.

 

[earth_as_one]

Recently Egyptian expats went to the polls...

Egypt's Foreign Ministry has issued the regulations for the polling of Egyptians abroad, which starts this Friday, May 11. The polling will continue until May 17 while Egyptians living at home are scheduled to vote on May 23-24.
The statement included the regulations to ensure the validity of polling stations (embassies, consulates, etc) where expatriates are registered to vote as set by the Presidential Elections Committee; ballot secrecy, appropriate number of ballot boxes and availability of voter records.
The polling, which is scheduled to proceed for seven days, will start at 8am of everyday of the polling period (according to each country's local timing). An attorney of every candidate is to be present at each polling station to monitor the electoral process and note his observations. This attorney must be a registered voter who has been given power of attorney by the candidate, reported the Middle East News Agency....
allAfrica.com: Egypt: Expatriates Vote Tomorrow, Foreign Ministry Says


Sort of embarrassing that Egyptians have democratic rights not enjoyed by Canadians...

 

[gerryh]

http://allafrica.com/stories/201205101287.html


Sort of embarrassing that Egyptians have democratic rights not enjoyed by Canadians...

No it's not. If someone wants to leave Canada, live, work, pay taxes and support the economy and social programs of some other country, then they do NOT have the right to vote here. IMNSHO they don't have the RIGHT to retain Canadian citizenship.

 

[earth_as_one]

Yet expat Egyptians have this right, while expat Canadians don't.

If Canadians living abroad loose Canadian citizen, then what citizenship would they have? They might be travelling from country to country. Or the country where they reside might tolerate expats, but not non-citizens, causing these former Canadians to be evicted..

Then what about Canadians working for Canada or Canadian companies abroad? Do Canadian employees of the Bank of Nova Scotia working in Dominican Republic or RIM in China have to move back to Canada to keep their citizenship? That would make staffing positions abroad more of a pain... continually forced to rotate and train new people through sales and marketing positions to conduct international trade. What a pain. Also, it would make Canada less competent abroad.

I'd support getting rid of dual citizenship... but I would be against turning Canadians representing Canada abroad into nationless refugees.