It's not rocket science- generally when someone is fired the idea is to replace them with someone better. Nothing is 100% guaranteed.
Striking teachers get pay docked!
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It's not rocket science- generally when someone is fired the idea is to replace them with someone better. Nothing is 100% guaranteed.
I'm sorry if this is making you angry, but I am just following your exact words.
You suggested that all of these new grads would take up the slack. How do we know that a whole bunch of fresh grads are going to be any better.
You still really have not provided any justification for increasing everyone's salary by 10%.
Sorry, I should have put "+/-" in my draft, original drafts are seldom exact, just a place to start. -
I used to supervise someone just like you, he was actually a supervisor under me, but he didn't have much common sense, although he was very "book smart". He asked me what he should do if one of his charges didn't do as instructed, I told him he should fire him. Within two hours I got called in by the head honcho repeating back to me verbatim what I told this guy. Well, I told him that's what you do as a last resort not where you start. Just no f**king brains!!
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Sorry, I should have put "+/-" in my draft, original drafts are seldom exact, just a place to start. -
I used to supervise someone just like you, he was actually a supervisor under me, but he didn't have much common sense, although he was very "book smart". He asked me what he should do if one of his charges didn't do as instructed, I told him he should fire him. Within two hours I got called in by the head honcho repeating back to me verbatim what I told this guy. Well, I told him that's what you do as a last resort not where you start. Just no f**king brains!!
So you are going the Petros route and just posting increasingly nonsensical stuff to try to get others to just give up?
Sometimes don't agree with you not because they are not smart enough to understand, but because spending an extra 250 million per year for absolutely no reason is just stupid.
If you want to spend more money, why not start with addressing the class size and composition issues at a small fraction of that cost?
Hey, in defense of Petros, he's one of the most intelligent people on this forum and I know because some of his knowledge coincides with mine. (Don't get your f**King head swelled, Petros) $250 million is your figure, not mine. I think perhaps the teachers are trying to convey a message and people (like Fassbender) aren't listening. I'm in favour of paying the good ones (and this is where it gets sticky) something close to what they are asking for- if it comes to $250 million I guess British Columbians are going to have to fork out an additional $70 a head. Half that might even do the trick. Do you want to reduce class size? How much do you want to reduce it by? Maybe you should do the math on that little exercise. Oh yeah, back to Petros- a lot of what he writes is in "purple ink" albeit invisible. An intelligent person can see he's just teasing. -
Hey, in defense of Petros, he's one of the most intelligent people on this forum and I know because some of his knowledge coincides with mine. (Don't get your f**King head swelled, Petros) $250 million is your figure, not mine. I think perhaps the teachers are trying to convey a message and people (like Fassbender) aren't listening. I'm in favour of paying the good ones (and this is where it gets sticky) something close to what they are asking for- if it comes to $250 million I guess British Columbians are going to have to fork out an additional $70 a head. Half that might even do the trick. Do you want to reduce class size? How much do you want to reduce it by? Maybe you should do the math on that little exercise. Oh yeah, back to Petros- a lot of what he writes is in "purple ink" albeit invisible. An intelligent person can see he's just teasing. -
Teachers in BC make an average of about 71k per year. There are about 31k of them. 10% of this total payment is ~220 million. This is only for teachers who are actually in the classroom, so we need to account for the teachers outside of the class who will want commensurate increases.
In the recent court case, the government said that it would cost 200-275 million going forward to implement the class size and composition terms that they already agreed to years ago.
http://vsta.ca/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/BC-teachers-Straight-Shooter.pdf
So how about this. Fire the ****ty teachers, give the rest of them reasonable cost of living increases of 2.x per year, and spend the rest of the money on getting back to the class size and composition guidelines that they already agreed to.
Sound good to you?
There's that possibility, but I think both sides have to be carefully listened to first. C.O.L.A. might be acceptable going forward, but it doesn't address short falls in the past. Now I'm not stupid enough to think that all the shortfall since 2000 should be made up, if there is in fact a shortfall. I think Fassbender should be removed from the situation and replaced by a clearer head. Like I said before bring in Vince Ready.
P.S. One fact that might no be universally understood among the electorate- the teachers are locked out, not on strike (according to one teacher on the news tonight).
Are you serious? I pointed this out to you in my very first post in this thread. In bold no less, and you replied to it.
It is also in the article you posted in the OP.
When you are paid as well as a teacher, you don't need to go to the table demanding more and ever more. A simple inflationary increase should suffice.
The government's offer is significantly less than the rate of inflation, so even you would be unhappy with that.
There are also issues other than money. The largest of those issues this time around would be working conditions, i.e. class sizes and composition.
The government is trying to get away with reneging on previous contracts and lower their real wage against inflation, and lock those in for a long term. It is not realistic bargaining.
I get stuff pointed out to me all the time, but some of it is Bullsh*t.!-
I hear you but every one thinks he's entitled to $1 million a day now and I suppose teachers think the same way. I was in the dentists's chair this morning for one hour while he and his assistant rec'd $352. (And that was cheap)
Yeah, maybe- I personally think if they could have their way about one issue, I might be able to guess which one it is! -
I must be reading different news than you. A quick google yeilded an article that stated the teachers were demanding 13.5 % in 3 years. That far exceeds inflation and cost of living. 2014 is averaging 2% so far.
I said that the government's offer was below inflation. 7.3% over six years. ~1.2% per year.
Yeah, maybe- I personally think if they could have their way about one issue, I might be able to guess which one it is! -
It's never just about one or the other. Nobody takes a job just for the money. You always need to consider what you actually have to do for that money.
Of course I knew what I was going to have to do, how else would I know if I'd be capable of it?
Soo, you didn't take the job just for the money then, you took it based on what you would be expected to do for the money as well
O.K. split hairs!!!!!!!!!! Only to know if part of my duties would be brain surgerin' ! -