Stephen Harper waging phony jihad on the niqab
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Actually, I posted my "opinion" in the a.m. and on my way to work I was thinking about it and thought - DUMMY - it's actually the left that are the misogynists!! They obviously want to encourage the women who want to hide behind their masks rather than free them and they think they are being "tolerant" and oh so kind!
I'm sorry, but piece of material or not, I want to see a FACE!! If they can't "drop the veil" to swear an oath, then they can't SERIOUSLY believe in what they're saying and what Canada stands for because its more important for them to hide then reveal. Its a spurious argument to say its a "piece of cloth" - its what it stands for whether the women believe it or not.
If we allow this to happen, it reverses what women have fought for - equal rights. As a women, I'm appalled and ashamed that the courts have ruled accordingly. Good on Quebec - for once I agree with them.
JMHO
Absolutely as the left obviously doesn't see the logic. Both contend religious reasons so its a logical comparison.
Oh, I know - it's only logical if it involves the left.
Got it now!!
JMHO
PS gave you a green in error - oops!
ha ha ha ha - too funny
Cliffy - for whatever reason (likely the pics) I couldn't give a "full reply" to your post. But it is a good example of left logic - compare women to arms; compare wearing a veil to missing women. One has nothing to do with the other but its certainly revealing to me, a conservative individual, about how the left thinks.
Selling arms to the Saudi's, if occurring, is not something I support so I agree with you there. Saudi Arabia bans women from driving and makes them wear the veil and I don't support that either but its a sovereign country and we don't need to encourage the same thing here. That's what this whole discussion is about!
As for missing women, there's a thread already about that (I can meet you there and we can discuss) but again, it has nothing to do with women covering up their faces, so lets stick to what this thread is about.
So, in closing, you're argument is disingenuous and "not logical".
JMHO
And that is all this issue is, a distraction from the real issues. Harpo is playing on emotion to win this election and his fanboys and girls are eating it up like the good little sheeple they are.
Thank you for a good laugh. I needed this. Really, who gives a rats *** waht women wear or don't wear on their head? Religious tolerance is a trademeark feature of Canadian democracy remember? Does Harper want to rewrite our constitution as well?
And that is all this issue is, a distraction from the real issues. Harpo is playing on emotion to win this election and his fanboys and girls are eating it up like the good little sheeple they are.
The nation’s unemployed are pleased to hear that the main topic of political conversation will be about whether a very small minority of women have a religious right to cover their faces with a religious garb during a citizenship ceremony for yet another time.
“This will definitely determine who I vote for,” said Serge Dumont, an out-of-work aerospace engineer who has been looking for work for the past 3 months. “It’s important that this issue be brought up again and again until my EI runs out.”
Katie Duprée, a recent master’s graduate and single mother who has not been able to find a stable job, was enthused politicians and online commentators, have been arguing about a topic that hasn’t affected her in the slightest.
“I used to be really angry and sad about the struggles to pay for groceries to feed my children,” explained Duprée. “But the niqab has given me something else to be sad and angry about.”
The unemployed were not the only ones glad to hear the leaders talk about a wedge issue they haven’t even heard of until last week.
“I sure hope this debate will go on forever,” said Julie St-Henri, a senior who can’t afford her prescription drugs.
According to sources, many First Nations communities are no longer concerned about access to clean drinking water and instead have focused all of their attention on a woman’s right to wear a piece of fabric while pledging allegiance to the Queen who lives in England.
Unemployed Canadians so happy to see politicians addressing the niqab again - The Beaverton - North America's Trusted Source of News
Under the charter it can be considered a religious garment as the term also encompasses cultural identity.
I didn't know that turbans wrapped around the face! I thought it just wrapped around the hair! Huh - who knew!
or not! Don't be so silly. That's not what's at issue here and you know it!
so maybe can your green lantern costume but I assume you're not forced to wear it.
'bout time for your nap I think. :lol:
While the wearing of a religious garb has been discussed, (particularly in Quebec) it hasn't (to me anyway) been the one and only topic discussed by the leaders - in fact it's one of many. If that's the impression these people have, then they haven't been paying attention nor have they been listening! The parties have spoken about the economy, foreign affairs and taxes among other things. This thread is specifically about wearing the niqab thus the discussion.
I suspect the question asked of these people had to go something like this......
What do you have to say to the politicians in this election, particularly the conservatives, who are only talking about the niqab. Do you think that's what's important to Canadians? I would think it's a CBC-type question which has no basis on realitiy.
Thus the answers elicited as above.
JMHO
I heard something the other day on the radio which I did not if it was a fact or not but apparently it is.
The woman who is the center of the Niqab issue gave her photos to take the test BUT does not want he photo taken with the Niqab off during the Swearing in Ceremony.
The testing and swearing in ceremony can be 6 months or more apart.
She provided the pictures and took off the Niqab to do the Test.
She just doesn't want to appear in public without her face covered, which I don't understand.
I was also under the impression that no one knew what she really looked like.
I also see through my searching that you have to provide fingerprints.
What steps come after I submit my fingerprints?
To take the test you must provide a picture showing who you are;
The photographs must be identical and taken within the last six months. They may be either black and white or colour.
The photographs must be clear, well defined and taken against a plain white or light-coloured background.
If the photographs are digital, they must not be altered in any way.
Your face must be square to the camera with a neutral expression, neither frowning nor smiling, and with your mouth closed.
You may wear non-tinted prescription glasses as long as your eyes are clearly visible. Make sure that the frame does not cover any part of your eyes. Sunglasses are not acceptable.
A hairpiece or other cosmetic accessory is acceptable if it does not disguise your normal appearance.
If you must wear a head covering for religious reasons, make sure your full facial features are not obscured.
https://asktheexpert.welcomebc.ca/knowledgebase.php?article=11
The case started with a lawsuit from Zunera Ishaq, a devout Muslim who moved to Ontario from Pakistan in 2008 to join her husband. Ishaq agreed to remove her niqab for an official before writing and passing her citizenship test two years ago, but she objects to unveiling in public at the oath-taking ceremony.
Niqab ban at citizenship ceremonies unlawful, as Ottawa loses appeal - Politics - CBC News
The woman who is the center of the Niqab issue gave her photos to take the test BUT does not want he photo taken with the Niqab off during the Swearing in Ceremony.
The testing and swearing in ceremony can be 6 months or more apart.
She provided the pictures and took off the Niqab to do the Test.
She just doesn't want to appear in public without her face covered, which I don't understand.
I was also under the impression that no one knew what she really looked like.
I also see through my searching that you have to provide fingerprints.
What steps come after I submit my fingerprints?
To take the test you must provide a picture showing who you are;
The photographs must be identical and taken within the last six months. They may be either black and white or colour.
The photographs must be clear, well defined and taken against a plain white or light-coloured background.
If the photographs are digital, they must not be altered in any way.
Your face must be square to the camera with a neutral expression, neither frowning nor smiling, and with your mouth closed.
You may wear non-tinted prescription glasses as long as your eyes are clearly visible. Make sure that the frame does not cover any part of your eyes. Sunglasses are not acceptable.
A hairpiece or other cosmetic accessory is acceptable if it does not disguise your normal appearance.
If you must wear a head covering for religious reasons, make sure your full facial features are not obscured.
https://asktheexpert.welcomebc.ca/knowledgebase.php?article=11
The case started with a lawsuit from Zunera Ishaq, a devout Muslim who moved to Ontario from Pakistan in 2008 to join her husband. Ishaq agreed to remove her niqab for an official before writing and passing her citizenship test two years ago, but she objects to unveiling in public at the oath-taking ceremony.
Niqab ban at citizenship ceremonies unlawful, as Ottawa loses appeal - Politics - CBC News
As per an article that YOU posted. For her, this is neither cultural OR religious.
Lorrie Goldstein Verified account @sunlorrie Arguing most Canadians are bigots on the niqab issue is like arguing most Canadians are drug addicts on the marijuana issue. It's stupid.
well...unless it's a habit for some poor schmuck or two.
Manny Montenegrino @manny_ottawa If only @pmharper supported Niqab. Traditional liberals, media would be strongly against importation of oppressive mysgonist practices
(also relates to someone in here asking when the cbc - or media in general - had become a political party)
Since the only one gaining political points over this non-issue is Harper, maybe he paid her to pull this stunt to distract Canadian voters away from the real issues.
Arguing most Canadians are bigots on the niqab issue is like arguing most Canadians are drug addicts on the marijuana issue. It's stupid.
well...unless it's a habit for some poor schmuck or two
(also relates to someone in here asking when the cbc - or media in general - had become a political party)[/QUOTE
Here's a more detailed and accurate/honest response to Lorrie's tweet.....
It seems quaint now that in mid-September, there was a debate about whether Stephen Harper’s off-hand use of the term “old-stock Canadians” was an example of him blowing a racial “dog-whistle.” Two weeks later, any imperceptibly high-pitched whistles the Conservatives might be using have been drowned out by the cacophony of their constant cranking of the barking dog siren. It’s an ugly sound, an anti-Muslim alarm. And it’s all the uglier because of its apparent effectiveness.
Consider Friday’s announcement of an RCMP tip line to report “Barbaric Cultural Practices Against Women and Girls.” If you think for a moment they are talking about taking action on the many hundreds of missing and murdered aboriginal women in Canada that organizations, including Amnesty International, have been reporting on this year, or perhaps the vulnerability of rural Canadian women to sexual violence highlighted at last month’s premier’s Roundtable on Violence Against Women, then you haven’t been paying attention.
But if you have been paying attention, it’s obvious enough that when Team Harper refers to “barbaric culture” it means Islam.
When Stephen Harper refers to “barbaric culture,� he means Islam — an anti-Muslim alarm that’s ugly and effective because it gets votes: Edward Keenan | Toronto Star
"In Scrabble, the niqab is a word that's worth 14 points, and that's about as many points as you've lost in the polls over it," Lepage ribbed the New Democrat leader.
Tom Mulcair challenged over niqab, pipelines on Tout le monde en parle - Politics - CBC News
Tom Mulcair challenged over niqab, pipelines on Tout le monde en parle - Politics - CBC News
I have to say I am quite proud for any party that would take a hit for justice.
If people changed their position on this issue what would Harper do then?
If people changed their position on this issue what would Harper do then?