Stephen Harper: The Al Gore of Canadian Politics?
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There is nothing in the Conservative record that would suggest that they take deficits and debt seriously though, Jay. To them it is just a political ploy...a promise that may or may not be met, depending on their political needs.
We've seen that ever since the age of Reagan and Mulroney. To fulfill their promises to business they are forced to cut programs to the people and/or run deficits. It is a race to the bottom that brutalises the poor and disadvantaged, marginalises the middle class over time, and leads to the erosion of infrastructure.
In short it doesn't work. We've been watching it not work for a quarter of a century now.
There is nothing in the Conservative record that would suggest that they take deficits and debt seriously though, Jay. To them it is just a political ploy...a promise that may or may not be met, depending on their political needs.
We've seen that ever since the age of Reagan and Mulroney. To fulfill their promises to business they are forced to cut programs to the people and/or run deficits. It is a race to the bottom that brutalises the poor and disadvantaged, marginalises the middle class over time, and leads to the erosion of infrastructure.
In short it doesn't work. We've been watching it not work for a quarter of a century now.
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I don't know about you but my taxes have been depleted by the Liberals for too damn long already. It’s ok for some guy making 40k a year but when you start to make real money these thieves take a crap lot more then they deserve.
Time to put them out to pasture, I’ve had enough paying for all the deadbeats and social programs that don’t work.
If they had any idea about how to manage money i could care less, but then they just flush it down the crapper it pisses me off.
And don't even think about bringing the NDP into this cause they would just waste a hell of a lot more.
Union School Teachers HA what a joke. Just another way of saying you can't fire me and i know that, so there. Who suffers with that ?(KIDS)
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I don't know about you but my taxes have been depleted by the Liberals for too damn long already. It’s ok for some guy making 40k a year but when you start to make real money these thieves take a crap lot more then they deserve.
Time to put them out to pasture, I’ve had enough paying for all the deadbeats and social programs that don’t work.
If they had any idea about how to manage money i could care less, but then they just flush it down the crapper it pisses me off.
And don't even think about bringing the NDP into this cause they would just waste a hell of a lot more.
Union School Teachers HA what a joke. Just another way of saying you can't fire me and i know that, so there. Who suffers with that ?(KIDS)
The Liberals gave you the biggest tax cut in Canadian history. It went disproportionately to the rich and to corporations, because the Martin Liberals are really corporatists from the right of the political spectrum, but it was them who gave you that cut.
Why not? They gave me a tax cut here. Filmon never did that.
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Careful fiscal management, Jay. Something else that Filmon was no damned good at.
Careful fiscal management, Jay. Something else that Filmon was no damned good at.
RE: Stephen Harper: The A
Would people from Alberta and Ontario still whine about transfer payments if they were recieving them? Its Canada first, the resources may be in diferent provinces (obviously) but they belong to the people of Canada, not just certain people. Some of these provinces (Alberta for starters) just act like spoiled children..........
Would people from Alberta and Ontario still whine about transfer payments if they were recieving them? Its Canada first, the resources may be in diferent provinces (obviously) but they belong to the people of Canada, not just certain people. Some of these provinces (Alberta for starters) just act like spoiled children..........
Look what they did for Saskatchewan and Manitoba. And I do understand the differences and similarities between federal and provincial.
I have no recourse but to correct you. Ontario's resources may belong to Ontario, but under current federal/provincial agreements they have no recourse but to either accept what they are given or try for a new deal through negotiation.
Because you seem to be equating transfer payments with nothing but personal tax levels.
"Because you seem to be equating transfer payments with nothing but personal tax levels."
Although I was trying to use humour....it does all boil down to taxes, and those taxes go to prop up certain provinces, and I doubt it's fair for Ontario to dish out 23 billion, while Manitoba hands out tax cuts and receives transfer payments…Ontario could really use the money right now.
I don't really care what Manitoba does, but I think you see my point.
"Ontario's resources may belong to Ontario, but under current federal/provincial agreements they have no recourse but to either accept what they are given or try for a new deal through negotiation. "
Yes, and under the current conditions we will have no choice.
Although I was trying to use humour....it does all boil down to taxes, and those taxes go to prop up certain provinces, and I doubt it's fair for Ontario to dish out 23 billion, while Manitoba hands out tax cuts and receives transfer payments…Ontario could really use the money right now.
I don't really care what Manitoba does, but I think you see my point.
"Ontario's resources may belong to Ontario, but under current federal/provincial agreements they have no recourse but to either accept what they are given or try for a new deal through negotiation. "
Yes, and under the current conditions we will have no choice.
It actually has to do with total revenues, costs, population and so on. To try to say that it is nothing but taxes is inherently wrong.
The tax cuts here were mostly directed at farmers. How much more would we need if those cuts weren't there and we had farmers going belly up? Let me give you a hint...Manitoba's economy would have dived way down instead of showing a steady improvement.
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Harris' cuts went disproportionately to the wealthy and to large corporations...not to small businesses like farms. Those cuts caused a loss in revenues that was not returned in an increased tax base.
Harris' cuts went disproportionately to the wealthy and to large corporations...not to small businesses like farms. Those cuts caused a loss in revenues that was not returned in an increased tax base.
In Ontario, small business and farms are run by people, those people got tax cuts too, and had more money to spend in our economy, and therefore more taxes were raised...
If personal income tax was reduces by 3%, that’s 3% for everyone. Rich people are people too, and contribute a hell of a lot more than people like me....
If personal income tax was reduces by 3%, that’s 3% for everyone. Rich people are people too, and contribute a hell of a lot more than people like me....
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If you make a million a year you aren't suffering and 3% amounts to $30,000. That money is unlikely to go back into the local economy in a any sort of hurry.
If you make $30,000 a year, 3% amounts to $900. That money is very likely to go directly back into the local economy.
The thing is that if you are making $30,000 a year, you are much more likely to be affected by cuts to social programs and increased user fees.
If you make a million a year you aren't suffering and 3% amounts to $30,000. That money is unlikely to go back into the local economy in a any sort of hurry.
If you make $30,000 a year, 3% amounts to $900. That money is very likely to go directly back into the local economy.
The thing is that if you are making $30,000 a year, you are much more likely to be affected by cuts to social programs and increased user fees.
Oh I understand, but I think that 30k will go into stock and bonds and things that prop up the ecomony....
I don't believe in hurting the rich; I don't have anything against them. I believe they work just as hard as I do (or did at one time). I would like to be rich one day....but the left has other plans for me..
I don't believe in hurting the rich; I don't have anything against them. I believe they work just as hard as I do (or did at one time). I would like to be rich one day....but the left has other plans for me..