Stephen Harper: The Al Gore of Canadian Politics?

Vanni Fucci

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Blue,

I found some of your comments to S-Ranger to be borderline inciteful, and personal...and I found your choice to quote gordo's rant against moderator intervention to be even moreso...

gordo has been banned...again...never to return...

It seems you are bent on causing trouble tonight, so consider this to be your only warning...keep it clean or you'll be banned for the night...

I'll not put up with any bullshit from the likes of you...
 

Ocean Breeze

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Re: RE: Stephen Harper: The Al Gore of Canadian Politics?

Edited: Quote from post above. Posted in moderator's forum.

don't know who you are "jane"........but your first post is totally offensive, aggressive and out of line. Please read the rules for posting on here .......before you post again.

Now, either stick to the topic and contribute something constructive.........or find another forum where your conduct is acceptable. And believe me......there are plenty of aggressive, personal bashing forums around. You won't have to look far.


Harper???? is another right wing fanatic who would sell out CA to the US at the first opportunity.......and in many ways worse than bush. (IF that is possible)
 

Vanni Fucci

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Re: RE: Stephen Harper: The Al Gore of Canadian Politics?

Ocean Breeze said:
don't know who you are "jane"........but your first post is totally offensive, aggressive and out of line. Please read the rules for posting on here .......before you post again

Jane was gordo, who was thelib, who was banned a few days ago...his/her/its intent was nothing more than to post inflammatory crap, and generally piss us all off...he/she/it may be back, but we have our wizardry to protect us, if we believe... :wink:

Oh, and if you don't mind, I'll be taking down Jane's parting message from your post...
 

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Vanni Fucci said:
Ocean Breeze said:
don't know who you are "jane"........but your first post is totally offensive, aggressive and out of line. Please read the rules for posting on here .......before you post again

Jane was gordo, who was thelib, who was banned a few days ago...his/her/its intent was nothing more than to post inflammatory crap, and generally piss us all off...he/she/it may be back, but we have our wizardry to protect us, if we believe... :wink:

Oh, and if you don't mind, I'll be taking down Jane's parting message from your post...

Hi Vanni. Suspected as much. Feel free to delete my post as it was a tad "terse"........and thanks ever so much for keeping a good eye on things here. Job well done. :) :eek:ccasion5:
 

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peapod said:
I am trying to get out of this place...god damit!!!!!!!!!! gordo, I am not playing your games, I have already banned you...when you were lib :idea: get it now....and yes I can prove that...your a troll and you are here to do nothing but cause arguments...now I am gonna ban you again...next time you come back as somebody else...try a different personality.....

Bluealberta, you answered rangers post quite nicely...congrads.

Would you please pass that along to Vanni? It appears that he saw my post from a totally different viewpoint.

If I may, this is exactly the reason why we have confusion, you say my comments were fine, Vanni wants to ban me. :?
 

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Vanni Fucci said:
Blue,

I found some of your comments to S-Ranger to be borderline inciteful, and personal...and I found your choice to quote gordo's rant against moderator intervention to be even moreso...

gordo has been banned...again...never to return...

It seems you are bent on causing trouble tonight, so consider this to be your only warning...keep it clean or you'll be banned for the night...

I'll not put up with any bullshit from the likes of you...

Maybe you and PeaPod should talk :p
 

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Harper: No thanks to image makeover
Stephen Harper says he's not interested in image makeover despite summer offensive

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June 20, 2005

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Stephen Harper says he's not interested in an image makeover.

OTTAWA -- Despite Conservative talk of changing tack with a summer-long charm offensive by the party's leader, Stephen Harper says he's not interested in an image makeover.

"I don't intend to change myself," Harper told Vancouver radio station CKNW during a nationally syndicated call-in show Monday. "I'm not a believer in these so-called image makeovers. I've watched politicians who tried to be something they're not and tried to have all these different incarnations. I think it just comes across as phony.

"I am who I am."

Last week, the Conservatives announced Harper would be traveling the country this summer in an effort to soften his public persona as an angry, unknown entity.

"I think we have to show a sunny disposition and show to Canadians that we're competent, we're professional, we're disciplined and we're ready to govern," deputy leader Peter MacKay said at the time.

The following day, MacKay grabbed Harper for an impromptu game of catch football on Parliament's front lawn.

But Harper, 46, said changing his image is more about getting face-time outside Ottawa than rearranging his personality.

His staff is simply trying to draw more attention to his activities away from Parliament, he said.

A pair of callers took Harper to task for his "constant negativity," saying he needs a more positive message.

Harper responded that as Opposition leader, Canadians see him primarily in those "five-or 10-second clips where you're attacking the government."

As a result, people get a one-dimensional image, he said.

It wasn't Harper's only dig at his media tormenters Monday.

The Tory leader also questioned the focus on his anger when "the Liberals used relentless negative advertising quite effectively" in last June's election campaign.

Demagogic Liberal TV ads, featuring a handgun firing directly at the viewer and a young woman weeping in hospital waiting room, have not been forgotten by Conservatives.

Nor does Harper think he's getting a fair shake in the current debate over Christian political activists, including reports that at least eight Tory candidates have been nominated with links to Christian evangelical organizations.

"There's at least that many in the Liberal party that sit in the Liberal government right now," Harper shot back.

"What always disturbs me is how this concern about the Christian right or the Christians involved in politics always becomes a concern if it's in the Conservative party."

He said the same media bias exists in the United States, where no one seemed to think it worth debate when Jimmy Carter, an evangelical Christian, was the Democratic president in the White House.

Harper made no apologies for attempting to recruit people from a variety of faith groups to the Conservative cause.

"If we're to . . . clean up government, end corruption, restore some sense of ethics and morality into politics, then you have to have people who are concerned with these kinds of things," said Harper.

"If you continue to vote for people who say they have no ethics, you'll end up with an unethical government."

Harper made it clear he's not about to soften his stance on the issues that animate his political ambition - because a burnished image is not his goal.

"Some of the image politics frustrates me a bit because that's not, obviously, what I'm in it for," he said.

The real significance of getting out and meeting Canadians this summer, he said, is to reconnect with voter issues.

"That part of the job is important."


There was also an article by Warren Kinsella, Liberal, that says he hopes the best man wins the next election so the liberals can be out of power for a while. His article said that Harper called Kinsella to offer condolences on the death of Kinsellas father during last years campaign, but he heard nothing from Martin, even though Kinsellas dad was a liberal fundraiser.

He also pointed out the conservatives have a younger, more ethnically diverse caucus than the Liberals, and made a refernce to Martin as a tired old man.

I cannot find the link, but it was reported in the National Post.
 

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bluealberta said:
Vanni Fucci said:
Blue,

I found some of your comments to S-Ranger to be borderline inciteful, and personal...and I found your choice to quote gordo's rant against moderator intervention to be even moreso...

gordo has been banned...again...never to return...

It seems you are bent on causing trouble tonight, so consider this to be your only warning...keep it clean or you'll be banned for the night...

I'll not put up with any bullshit from the likes of you...

Maybe you and PeaPod should talk :p

In keeping up with some of the crap that goes on here, who has the time to talk...

Now, I'm a reasonable guy, and I believe my response was to your comment about "geek and nerd" not being in your vocabulary, and the other about quantity and quality, suggesting that Ranger's post was crap...that coupled with the obvious jab at peapod, put me in a cranky mood...

So, blue, I admit that I may have read too much into your post, and I will stand down for now...
 

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Vanni Fucci said:
bluealberta said:
Vanni Fucci said:
Blue,

I found some of your comments to S-Ranger to be borderline inciteful, and personal...and I found your choice to quote gordo's rant against moderator intervention to be even moreso...

gordo has been banned...again...never to return...

It seems you are bent on causing trouble tonight, so consider this to be your only warning...keep it clean or you'll be banned for the night...

I'll not put up with any bullshit from the likes of you...

Maybe you and PeaPod should talk :p

In keeping up with some of the crap that goes on here, who has the time to talk...

Now, I'm a reasonable guy, and I believe my response was to your comment about "geek and nerd" not being in your vocabulary, and the other about quantity and quality, suggesting that Ranger's post was crap...that coupled with the obvious jab at peapod, put me in a cranky mood...

So, blue, I admit that I may have read too much into your post, and I will stand down for now...

Thank you, I appreciate it. My comments about the length of Rangers post were simply a subtle suggestion to perhaps provide the Readers Digest version of his admittedly lengthy posts. Most of us do not have time to read and respond to every comment, or even most, so either pick and choose, or totally ignore, which is too bad because I am sure there is valuable information in his posts. I am mystified about the Pea jab, though.??
 

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bluealberta said:
Harper made no apologies for attempting to recruit people from a variety of faith groups to the Conservative cause.

"If we're to . . . clean up government, end corruption, restore some sense of ethics and morality into politics, then you have to have people who are concerned with these kinds of things," said Harper.

"If you continue to vote for people who say they have no ethics, you'll end up with an unethical government."

Harper just doesn't seem to get it that morality and ethics have nothing to do with religion...

As a secular humanist, for want of a better term, I find these remarks to be somewhat offensive...
 

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bluealberta said:
Thank you, I appreciate it. My comments about the length of Rangers post were simply a subtle suggestion to perhaps provide the Readers Digest version of his admittedly lengthy posts. Most of us do not have time to read and respond to every comment, or even most, so either pick and choose, or totally ignore, which is too bad because I am sure there is valuable information in his posts. I am mystified about the Pea jab, though.??

Oh pishaw. The length was fine. My favourite part was when I scrolled down for the 14th time - literally, I counted - where he said "And I'm just getting warmed up."
 

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Vanni Fucci said:
bluealberta said:
Harper made no apologies for attempting to recruit people from a variety of faith groups to the Conservative cause.

"If we're to . . . clean up government, end corruption, restore some sense of ethics and morality into politics, then you have to have people who are concerned with these kinds of things," said Harper.

"If you continue to vote for people who say they have no ethics, you'll end up with an unethical government."

Harper just doesn't seem to get it that morality and ethics have nothing to do with religion...

As a secular humanist, for want of a better term, I find these remarks to be somewhat offensive...

Vanni, I assume you meant to say that they have nothing to do with Politics :wink: .

With respect, I disagree, especially on the ethics part. Our leaders and representatives must have ethics, or we end up exactly where we are right now, in the middle of a scandal that is disgusting. The lack of ethics on the part of all concerned caused it.

Morality may be a different issue, although I would not use the term in a religous or biblical sense. Rather, I see this as the "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you" philosophy, which is more a life rule than a religious rule. However, I can see your point about morality and politics.
 

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bluealberta said:
Vanni, I assume you meant to say that they have nothing to do with Politics :wink: .

With respect, I disagree, especially on the ethics part. Our leaders and representatives must have ethics, or we end up exactly where we are right now, in the middle of a scandal that is disgusting. The lack of ethics on the part of all concerned caused it.

Morality may be a different issue, although I would not use the term in a religous or biblical sense. Rather, I see this as the "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you" philosophy, which is more a life rule than a religious rule. However, I can see your point about morality and politics.

No blue, I meant exactly what I said. Just because someone is part of a church congregation or other religiously affiliated organization, does not mean that they are any more or less moral or ethical than someone who isn't.

Attending church does not make one a better politician.
Attending church does not make one a better person.
Attending church does guarantee that one will not be involved in thievery, adultery or buggery.

Attending church guarantees nothing that anyone should find of value as a voter.
 

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Harper is definitely suggesting, in the quote you put in bold, that religious people...especially evangelical Christians...are the the only ones who have morality and ethics, Blue.

That is insulting to great number of Canadians because very few Canadians are evangelical Christians.
 

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Toro said:
bluealberta said:
Thank you, I appreciate it. My comments about the length of Rangers post were simply a subtle suggestion to perhaps provide the Readers Digest version of his admittedly lengthy posts. Most of us do not have time to read and respond to every comment, or even most, so either pick and choose, or totally ignore, which is too bad because I am sure there is valuable information in his posts. I am mystified about the Pea jab, though.??

Oh pishaw. The length was fine. My favourite part was when I scrolled down for the 14th time - literally, I counted - where he said "And I'm just getting warmed up."

Well, my two cents worth here ... being someone who is known for verbosity myself, I often find it takes a lot of words to state my point. If you don't like the length of Ranger's posts, skip thru them.

Seems to me that commenting on the length of a post rather than addressing the content is just a way to avoid an issue and throw out a cheap shot. Sorry Vanni ... I'm backing Pea on this one. Although your comment was, indeed, gracious. ;)

Now you've had all three mods weigh in on the issue. :)
 

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Twitchy or not, Vanni, we appreciate you taking troll patrol. If we were closer, we'd bring you lattes ourselves! ;)