Stephane Dion wins!

[ottawabill]

Yeah

The Conservatives are no where near "hard right". Not even close. All three major national political parties in this country are jammed together in the middle...........the NDP on the left of middle, the Liberals in the centre (when they campaign, further right when they rule), and the CPC on the right of middle....

Good Lord, man, you are talking about a Party that endorses socialized medicine, ended corporate tax invasion through income trusts (which the Libs didn't dare do), have set up the anti-SSM people to fail, none of which are exactly garaunteed to win the hearts of true right-wingers. Harper has dragged the CPC right into the mainstream middle...........

As for the Big Ass comment, it was funny, and a mistake, and Harper handled it well insisting he would get to the bottom of it. He later jokingly wondered if it was aimed at him........a little comic relief.

Unfortunatly Colpy, it's all optics...The Liberals spend years and years making the conservatives out as big blue suited meanies...with some help from the NDP.

Conservatives are the only party that demands open votes in the commons..not towing the party line like the other parties...

They stand up for Farmers and Ma and Pop shops, whereas the Liberals are concerned with GM and Ford.

They are the only party who had the guts to scrap the corportate trust status. You will her all this complaint from the Liberals about it but they did noting to stop it...TO STOP BIG BUSINESS FROM NOT PAYING TAXES!!!! geez sounds very right wing doesn't it...

Who called Quebecios a nation...the glorious Liberals?? I don't even agree with that one but it's another point of this extreme rightwing acting very moderate don't you think?

needless to say...which party funneled tons of tax money to themselves and there friends.appointing people to high paying jobs where no work was required..and have to this day no coughed up a cent of that money.....

So who is high mighty and corporate here??

 

[elevennevele]

So who is high mighty and corporate here??

Oh sure, as if Harper isn’t practically a servant to big oil. What’s good for Alberta isn’t good for Newfoundland so it seems. If the oil companies say so he'll stand up for them over one of our provinces. Hm... didn't he campaign on "Standing Up For Canada"? What a neat trick that was.

http://www.businessedge.ca/article.cfm/newsID/13507.cfm

Williams fumes at 'fallow field' letter


By The Canadian Press - For Business Edge
Published: 09/15/2006 - Vol. 6, No. 19

Newfoundland Premier Danny Williams says it's "disgusting, disgraceful and shameful" that the prime minister won't support the province's push for so-called fallow field legislation.

For months, Williams has lobbied Ottawa for legislation that would require companies to develop offshore oilfields within a certain timeframe, or risk losing them to the Crown.

Williams received a letter last week from Prime Minister Stephen Harper, confirming that the federal government will not back such a move.

"Now I find that disgusting, disgraceful and shameful, quite honestly, when a federal government will not stand behind a member of the federation, a province," Williams fumed.

"When we have a situation where the prime minister of our country doesn't support me ... then I've got to wonder what his agenda is. Obviously, Big Oil has some influence on Ottawa, and if he's a big buddy of Big Oil, then I'm not."

Williams has been embroiled in a dispute with ExxonMobil Canada (NYSE:XOM) for higher royalties from the proposed Hebron oilfield, which was shelved in April.

Chevron Canada Ltd. (NYSE:CVX), Hebron's operator, disbanded its project team because the two sides could not agree on terms and benefits.

Williams was seeking an improved royalty regime for the province and a 4.9-per-cent ownership stake in the project.

 

[elevennevele]

The Conservatives are no where near "hard right". Not even close. All three major national political parties in this country are jammed together in the middle...........the NDP on the left of middle, the Liberals in the centre (when they campaign, further right when they rule), and the CPC on the right of middle....

Yes, Harper is right in the middle. Right in the middle of right-wing Reform/Alliance ideology. Harper wasn’t a Conservative when he went into politics. He was a Reform/Alliance politician. Right in the middle of it.

There is an attempt to project his image to the center, but just like the light from a projector in a dark space, it is an image cast at a distance, diluting itself by each inch as it passes through the smoke filled room and ambient light reflecting off the surrounding wall of mirrors.

Dark room, projection, smoke and mirrors, distance... need I say more?

Harper hasn’t so much been leading the country as he has been spending his time in office campaigning for the next election. Even on the international stage at the expense of our relationships. Desperately trying to get Canadian votes while still trying in some way to appeal to his base or people as yourself (see, it's working) that will set him up for whatever his real goals are. Even in the previous election he tried so hard to cast himself as a moderate and yet the things he has been doing since elected has less to do with what people elected him on, that being “accountability”. Accountability (and transparency), an area his party has so far sucked at.

The only thing that keeps Harper from being a flaming right-wing ideologue for now is being stuck with a minority government where the other parties can reign him in and while his party needs to whhore itself out for votes.

Honestly, I don’t care what he does in his own proverbial bedroom, whether he dresses up like ‘leave it to beaver’ or whatever, but having Harper in everyone else's bedroom dressed up like ‘leave it to beaver’ is just too much.

It’s the year 2006 going on 2007. Did he get the memo?

Harper is a right wing ideologue in waiting. Sorry but not many leopards can change their spots and Harper has a very spotty history. Much like that big ugly spot taped to the apology letter to the USA for Canada not going into the Iraq War as he would have led our country into had he been leader then.

 

[Colpy]

Oh, baloney!

wish I had time to argue, but I'm on my way to work.

As for SSM, Harper wants the status quo, he has set up his motion to fail, see on Thursday if I'm not right.

If the motion passes, you will get an abject apology.

As an ex-Reformer, Ionly WISH Harper was hard right............

 

[John Muff]

See the point...

Hi there,

Peoples seems to think that Mr. Dion is a freeking frog, even if he's the most Liberal pro-federal candidate in the whole bunch. If it would have been anyone else, do you think the BQ could have made big damages in PQ. They would have had the momentum to push for a greater division in Canada. Forget about it's hair or it's suit, come on... Mr. Dion is not a c0ck-$ucker, sorry Mr Harper... Bush...

As it's dog name say it: Kyoto... is a big one for him and he'll make us proud abord... Not like in Africa, hein Mr. Harper... Therr is way to deal about it and to show it to the world... Dion is OUR man... He lead delegations and expert panels on the matter... he know what he's talking about.

...and Quebec whithin a Canadian unified Country, he's the expert too, I believe he could make good advances, never expected in Quebec... it's definitely a "snowball effect" in Quebec more than enywhere, by culture too, I think...

John Muff

 

[RedGreen]

Again today; I'd say most Canadians watching question period would have liked the Liberal's demeanor in the house.

ukeright: The conservatives are too arrongant.

Cheers to the Molson cup 1st star of the day Mr. Goodale.

 

[Colpy]

Again today; I'd say most Canadians watching question period would have liked the Liberal's demeanor in the house.

ukeright: The conservatives are too arrongant.

Cheers to the Molson cup 1st star of the day Mr. Goodale.

The CoNSERVATIVES are too arrogant?!?!!!

Have you ever met a Liberal?

Ever hear of Pierre Trudeau? Look up arrogant in the dictionary, and you will find his picture.

The Liberals quite seriously believe that they are annointed by God to lead this country forever and ever amen, and that any gov't led by any other party is simply a mistake on the part of the ignorant masses, quickly corrected by divine intervention. They eagerly await the hand of the Almighty in the next election.

That is the very definition of arrogance.

 

[ottawabill]

The CoNSERVATIVES are too arrogant?!?!!!

Have you ever met a Liberal?

Ever hear of Pierre Trudeau? Look up arrogant in the dictionary, and you will find his picture.

The Liberals quite seriously believe that they are annointed by God to lead this country forever and ever amen, and that any gov't led by any other party is simply a mistake on the part of the ignorant masses, quickly corrected by divine intervention. They eagerly await the hand of the Almighty in the next election.

That is the very definition of arrogance.

The only reason these others are talking about the Conservatives being arrogant is because they don't like their policies. They feel that since that woun't back away from these perceived one tracked policies that must be arrogant... Persistance is not Arrogance.

 

[Tonington]

I've only really known the Prime Ministers from Mulroney and onward, so I can't say anything really about those before him, but every Prime Minister I've known has been arrogant.

 

[McDonald]

Stéphane Dion has already done more for this country than any of the other candidates have combined, and we'll throw Harper into that lot as well. So what if he supports Bill 101, he's a francophone who doesn't want to see his language disappear. As an anglo-quebecker I can tell you it is far from difficult to live in Québec as an anglophone. We're doing just fine here, and we'd all be doing much better without all the damned separatists, which brings me to my next point.

Dion is a proud Canadian and a hard-line federalist. He basically wrote the Clarity Act, which may be the only thing that will keep this country together if we Quebeckers are faced with another bloody referendum. That's why so many people in Québec can't stand Dion. I know. I read the French papers, and they slag the poor guy any chance they get. It's because he challenges their separatist vitriolic nonsense with facts and ideas that just make too much sense for their comfort. It's time Québec was faced with a politician who governs with his brain. He may do quiet badly in Québec, we don't know yet. People here either like him or hate him, but it isn't too late for him to change minds either way.

The reason why the Right dislikes him, aside from his centre-left views, is the fact that he is a centralist who is interested in strengthening this rather weak federation of provinces. The idea that secession from our confederation is even an option for any province doesn't sit right with me (or him). The US doesn't worry about secessionist movements, and it certainly isn't because there are clashes between state and federal authorities. It's because they settled that question a long time ago, if you know what I mean.

I entrust Dion to strengthen Canada from the centre, both of the political spectrum and in the geographic sense. The provinces, especially Québec (and Alberta for that matter) need to be reminded that we are one country and that we elect a national government who makes the decisions for that country. Let the provincial parliaments be occupied by provincial matters of no interest to the country at large. We are all represented in parliament, and that's where decisions are made with our mandate as a country. I'm tired of people like Ralph Klein and André Boisclair (who isn't the Québec premier yet but his cocky ass sure acts like it) thinking they can order our government around. The Tories don't like government, and don't like a strong Ottawa. Well, as Dion said at the convention, if the Conservatives are so uncomfortable with their position as a government, then let us put them out of their misery.

Admit it or not, the Liberals govern from the centre, which is where most Canadians feel comfortable being governed from. And that's why Harper will never get a majority and why his days at 24 Sussex are numbered. The Conservatives and the NDP are a good check on the Canada's natural governing party, and that's why I'm glad they're there. But if you're interested in keeping this country together, then you better get interested in Stéphane Dion.

And as for Dion's French passport, big deal. He would certainly relinquish it if asked to. I received both Canadian and American citizenship at birth, being born in Germany to a Canadian father and an American mother. Citizenship laws are weird and they are different in every country, which is why despite being born in Germany, I've never been a German citizen. Dion obviously prefers Canada because this is where he has lived nearly all his life, despite having the choice to have lived elsewhere. Is that not enough?

 

[RedGreen]

The CoNSERVATIVES are too arrogant?!?!!!

Have you ever met a Liberal?

Ever hear of Pierre Trudeau? Look up arrogant in the dictionary, and you will find his picture.

The Liberals quite seriously believe that they are annointed by God to lead this country forever and ever amen, and that any gov't led by any other party is simply a mistake on the part of the ignorant masses, quickly corrected by divine intervention. They eagerly await the hand of the Almighty in the next election.

That is the very definition of arrogance.

The Liberals don't think its their right to govern Canada. They just know that they represent the Canadian people the best of any political party we have. All the others cater to a relatively small group of people who have their own ideas about how Canada should be.

As far as god given rights go, Harper and the conservatives are the ones who bring religion into politics where it has absolutely no place. 1. Against gay marriage? Why, because the bible says its not right. 2. Wanting to team up with Bush cruisaders. In Winnipeg I saw how the last election went. Conservatives were elected to the house beacause campaigns were directed at churches and old old people who are anti gays. These people were then picked up in vans and brought to the polling stations by conservative or religious volunteers.

Religion should be a personal thing, 100% seperate from politics. Especially in this country where society is enriched by the fact that we are multicultural and have different beliefs.

 

[iluvpoutine]

Well said MacDonald in Chicoutimi!

Guaranteed Stéphane Dion will keep church out of politics! :evil3: and that's a GOOD THING! :grommit: