Sponsorship Program - Will of the People paid for?

Jay

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Jan 7, 2005
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Rex murphy is right, this is no joke, this is serious business and canadians have a right to know what happened to that money.


Oh no, were up the creek without a paddle now, Rex Murphy’s pissed. He's gonna chew us all new A holes, for wasting all that money...

He's just pissed the CBC didn't get it and the CBC could have used it and the CBC is full of Liberals, and if the CBC isn't in the business of selling Canada to Canadians, who is?

They are forked over billions to peddle the same good news year in year out. No one says shit, that’s the scandle.
 

tibear

Electoral Member
Jan 25, 2005
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Come on guys.

If Jay or I had posted what PeaPod did you would be all over us for being Liberal haters and to lighten up.

Just because you tend to agree with her on almost everything else you don't have to treat with "kidgloves" when she posts something your against.
 

tibear

Electoral Member
Jan 25, 2005
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Come on guys.

If Jay or I had posted what PeaPod did you would be all over us for being Liberal haters and to lighten up.

Just because you tend to agree with her on almost everything else you don't have to treat with "kidgloves" when she posts something your against.
 

tibear

Electoral Member
Jan 25, 2005
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Come on guys.

If Jay or I had posted what PeaPod did you would be all over us for being Liberal haters and to lighten up.

Just because you tend to agree with her on almost everything else you don't have to treat with "kidgloves" when she posts something your against.
 

Jay

Executive Branch Member
Jan 7, 2005
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Revernd Dear said:
I don't know how much attention you actually pay to politics, tibear, but I'd suggest that you pay a lot more. Every party has a website. CPAC televises committee meetings etc (where the real work gets done). There are several places where you pick up rumours and hints as to internal party politics. There are plenty of books that cover political battles over the last fifty years. If you want to learn about politics, how it really works and what people and parties really stand for, the information is out there. It takes a lot of critical thinking though...a lot of asking, "Why are they they doing that?"

Why do I get the distinct feeling you have alot more time on your hands than i do? :)
 

Jay

Executive Branch Member
Jan 7, 2005
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Revernd Dear said:
I don't know how much attention you actually pay to politics, tibear, but I'd suggest that you pay a lot more. Every party has a website. CPAC televises committee meetings etc (where the real work gets done). There are several places where you pick up rumours and hints as to internal party politics. There are plenty of books that cover political battles over the last fifty years. If you want to learn about politics, how it really works and what people and parties really stand for, the information is out there. It takes a lot of critical thinking though...a lot of asking, "Why are they they doing that?"

Why do I get the distinct feeling you have alot more time on your hands than i do? :)
 

Jay

Executive Branch Member
Jan 7, 2005
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Revernd Dear said:
I don't know how much attention you actually pay to politics, tibear, but I'd suggest that you pay a lot more. Every party has a website. CPAC televises committee meetings etc (where the real work gets done). There are several places where you pick up rumours and hints as to internal party politics. There are plenty of books that cover political battles over the last fifty years. If you want to learn about politics, how it really works and what people and parties really stand for, the information is out there. It takes a lot of critical thinking though...a lot of asking, "Why are they they doing that?"

Why do I get the distinct feeling you have alot more time on your hands than i do? :)
 

justfred

Electoral Member
Dec 26, 2004
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Drumheller
I question that the judge did not ask why John Cretien thought it was OK to spend $100 million on only the golf balls! Seems like I could have gotten them cheaper.
 

justfred

Electoral Member
Dec 26, 2004
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Drumheller
I question that the judge did not ask why John Cretien thought it was OK to spend $100 million on only the golf balls! Seems like I could have gotten them cheaper.
 

justfred

Electoral Member
Dec 26, 2004
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Drumheller
I question that the judge did not ask why John Cretien thought it was OK to spend $100 million on only the golf balls! Seems like I could have gotten them cheaper.
 

peapod

Hall of Fame Member
Jun 26, 2004
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pumpkin pie bungalow
Where do you get the ideas?? from the catalogue of riddle me this, riddle me that. No I don't like the way he behaved, and yes myself (NDP) and most liberals I know what to know to...and I will reapeat to you once again, given a choice between being robbed and having religious zealots in power...a no brainer....I choose robbery. All I have to do is open a newspaper, turn on the television and see exactly what you religous zealots have to offer...and my vote is "nay" But I did vote liberal in last federal election..its always been NDP...but I had to do what I could to stop that luntic harper. Your tatics are so boring *yawn* try and be a little more creative. :wink:



"Just because you tend to agree with her on almost everything else you don't have to treat with "kidgloves" when she posts something your against."

hahahahhahahahhahaha....want some cheese to go with that whine :roll:
 

peapod

Hall of Fame Member
Jun 26, 2004
10,745
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pumpkin pie bungalow
Where do you get the ideas?? from the catalogue of riddle me this, riddle me that. No I don't like the way he behaved, and yes myself (NDP) and most liberals I know what to know to...and I will reapeat to you once again, given a choice between being robbed and having religious zealots in power...a no brainer....I choose robbery. All I have to do is open a newspaper, turn on the television and see exactly what you religous zealots have to offer...and my vote is "nay" But I did vote liberal in last federal election..its always been NDP...but I had to do what I could to stop that luntic harper. Your tatics are so boring *yawn* try and be a little more creative. :wink:



"Just because you tend to agree with her on almost everything else you don't have to treat with "kidgloves" when she posts something your against."

hahahahhahahahhahaha....want some cheese to go with that whine :roll:
 

peapod

Hall of Fame Member
Jun 26, 2004
10,745
0
36
pumpkin pie bungalow
Where do you get the ideas?? from the catalogue of riddle me this, riddle me that. No I don't like the way he behaved, and yes myself (NDP) and most liberals I know what to know to...and I will reapeat to you once again, given a choice between being robbed and having religious zealots in power...a no brainer....I choose robbery. All I have to do is open a newspaper, turn on the television and see exactly what you religous zealots have to offer...and my vote is "nay" But I did vote liberal in last federal election..its always been NDP...but I had to do what I could to stop that luntic harper. Your tatics are so boring *yawn* try and be a little more creative. :wink:



"Just because you tend to agree with her on almost everything else you don't have to treat with "kidgloves" when she posts something your against."

hahahahhahahahhahaha....want some cheese to go with that whine :roll:
 

Paranoid Dot Calm

Council Member
Jul 6, 2004
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Hide-Away Lane, Toronto
Yuh Know;

I watched these two clowns on the stand.
Both of them sounded like Bush when he said "being President was hard work".

20 million so far in commission costs and all we know so far is that both of these guys were just too busy to know what was happening. That the job was just too big for them.
Enron executives used the same excuse.

The Judge, the commisson lawyers are all part of the Canadian establishment .... they are not gonna destroy or discredit one of their own. It would only leave us with less confidence in our system of government.
All that we heard from Chretien and Martin was just how great it feels to be wearing a Canadian flag.

Chretien already told us that he has not even read the auditor generals report. Martin says he read it cover to cover, but not Chretien.

And .... where is the whistleblower legislation that Martin promised?

It's a sham.

Calm
 

Paranoid Dot Calm

Council Member
Jul 6, 2004
1,142
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Hide-Away Lane, Toronto
Yuh Know;

I watched these two clowns on the stand.
Both of them sounded like Bush when he said "being President was hard work".

20 million so far in commission costs and all we know so far is that both of these guys were just too busy to know what was happening. That the job was just too big for them.
Enron executives used the same excuse.

The Judge, the commisson lawyers are all part of the Canadian establishment .... they are not gonna destroy or discredit one of their own. It would only leave us with less confidence in our system of government.
All that we heard from Chretien and Martin was just how great it feels to be wearing a Canadian flag.

Chretien already told us that he has not even read the auditor generals report. Martin says he read it cover to cover, but not Chretien.

And .... where is the whistleblower legislation that Martin promised?

It's a sham.

Calm
 

Paranoid Dot Calm

Council Member
Jul 6, 2004
1,142
0
36
Hide-Away Lane, Toronto
Yuh Know;

I watched these two clowns on the stand.
Both of them sounded like Bush when he said "being President was hard work".

20 million so far in commission costs and all we know so far is that both of these guys were just too busy to know what was happening. That the job was just too big for them.
Enron executives used the same excuse.

The Judge, the commisson lawyers are all part of the Canadian establishment .... they are not gonna destroy or discredit one of their own. It would only leave us with less confidence in our system of government.
All that we heard from Chretien and Martin was just how great it feels to be wearing a Canadian flag.

Chretien already told us that he has not even read the auditor generals report. Martin says he read it cover to cover, but not Chretien.

And .... where is the whistleblower legislation that Martin promised?

It's a sham.

Calm
 

Reverend Blair

Council Member
Apr 3, 2004
1,238
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Winnipeg
I think the way chretin behaved was disquisting!

Why? He answered all of the questions he was asked by the inquiry. He had every right to repond to Gomery's charge that giving away golf balls was, "small-town cheap." Gomery never should have said that, especially directly to the press. A judge is supposed to reserve judgement until all the evidence has been heard.

Rex murphy is right, this is no joke, this is serious business and canadians have a right to know what happened to that money.

He may be right, but this turned into a political circus before Gomery even banged his gavel the first time. Nobody involved is interested in the whole truth coming out. Instead they are on a witch hunt.

The amount is to huge that it can be ignored.

As federal government budgets go it's pretty much pocket change, actually. That doesn't mean that this shouldn't be investigated but things have to be kept in perspective.

Even if you are liberal you must demand answers.

The answers aren't going to come out of this mess. The whole thing is designed for answers not to come out. We would have been better off just letting the RCMP investigate it. They've already pressed some charges.

Oh no, were up the creek without a paddle now, Rex Murphy’s pissed. He's gonna chew us all new A holes, for wasting all that money...

He's just pissed the CBC didn't get it and the CBC could have used it and the CBC is full of Liberals, and if the CBC isn't in the business of selling Canada to Canadians, who is?

First off, Rex Murphy has continually espoused the same views on government that you have, JJ. He wants it to be small and ineffectual.

Second of all the CBC has its own budget...which works out to less than a case of beer for every Canadian every year...so that's not a valid statement at all.

Third of all most countries, especially the developed ones, have a government-funded national broadcaster.

Fourth of all the CBC is internationally respected for the quality of its news and adherence to high journalistic standards.

Fifth of all, what the hell is wrong with having a national broadcaster that presents Canadian views to Canadian people?

If Jay or I had posted what PeaPod did you would be all over us for being Liberal haters and to lighten up.

Just because you tend to agree with her on almost everything else you don't have to treat with "kidgloves" when she posts something your against.

Sorry, but I had other things to do. I started a whinging thread a while back, maybe you'd like to check it out.

Why do I get the distinct feeling you have alot more time on your hands than i do?

It doesn't take much time at all.

I question that the judge did not ask why John Cretien thought it was OK to spend $100 million on only the golf balls! Seems like I could have gotten them cheaper.

That's just silly.

and I will reapeat to you once again, given a choice between being robbed and having religious zealots in power...a no brainer....I choose robbery.

A couple of things...there is absolutely no indication by their political records that the Conservatives would be any less likely to steal, rob, cheat, and lie than the Liberals are. The Conservative law dude (that's the official title that I gave him...I think the Conservatives call him Justice Critic) Vic Toews just got busted here in Manitoba for breaking provincial election laws. Former leader and present Foreign Affairs Critic, Stockwell (Doris) Day broke the law by leaning on a lawyer. When the lawyer sued him, Doris used government of Alberta funds to pay for his defense.

There are more, but those are just off the top of my head.
 

Reverend Blair

Council Member
Apr 3, 2004
1,238
1
38
Winnipeg
I think the way chretin behaved was disquisting!

Why? He answered all of the questions he was asked by the inquiry. He had every right to repond to Gomery's charge that giving away golf balls was, "small-town cheap." Gomery never should have said that, especially directly to the press. A judge is supposed to reserve judgement until all the evidence has been heard.

Rex murphy is right, this is no joke, this is serious business and canadians have a right to know what happened to that money.

He may be right, but this turned into a political circus before Gomery even banged his gavel the first time. Nobody involved is interested in the whole truth coming out. Instead they are on a witch hunt.

The amount is to huge that it can be ignored.

As federal government budgets go it's pretty much pocket change, actually. That doesn't mean that this shouldn't be investigated but things have to be kept in perspective.

Even if you are liberal you must demand answers.

The answers aren't going to come out of this mess. The whole thing is designed for answers not to come out. We would have been better off just letting the RCMP investigate it. They've already pressed some charges.

Oh no, were up the creek without a paddle now, Rex Murphy’s pissed. He's gonna chew us all new A holes, for wasting all that money...

He's just pissed the CBC didn't get it and the CBC could have used it and the CBC is full of Liberals, and if the CBC isn't in the business of selling Canada to Canadians, who is?

First off, Rex Murphy has continually espoused the same views on government that you have, JJ. He wants it to be small and ineffectual.

Second of all the CBC has its own budget...which works out to less than a case of beer for every Canadian every year...so that's not a valid statement at all.

Third of all most countries, especially the developed ones, have a government-funded national broadcaster.

Fourth of all the CBC is internationally respected for the quality of its news and adherence to high journalistic standards.

Fifth of all, what the hell is wrong with having a national broadcaster that presents Canadian views to Canadian people?

If Jay or I had posted what PeaPod did you would be all over us for being Liberal haters and to lighten up.

Just because you tend to agree with her on almost everything else you don't have to treat with "kidgloves" when she posts something your against.

Sorry, but I had other things to do. I started a whinging thread a while back, maybe you'd like to check it out.

Why do I get the distinct feeling you have alot more time on your hands than i do?

It doesn't take much time at all.

I question that the judge did not ask why John Cretien thought it was OK to spend $100 million on only the golf balls! Seems like I could have gotten them cheaper.

That's just silly.

and I will reapeat to you once again, given a choice between being robbed and having religious zealots in power...a no brainer....I choose robbery.

A couple of things...there is absolutely no indication by their political records that the Conservatives would be any less likely to steal, rob, cheat, and lie than the Liberals are. The Conservative law dude (that's the official title that I gave him...I think the Conservatives call him Justice Critic) Vic Toews just got busted here in Manitoba for breaking provincial election laws. Former leader and present Foreign Affairs Critic, Stockwell (Doris) Day broke the law by leaning on a lawyer. When the lawyer sued him, Doris used government of Alberta funds to pay for his defense.

There are more, but those are just off the top of my head.
 

Reverend Blair

Council Member
Apr 3, 2004
1,238
1
38
Winnipeg
I think the way chretin behaved was disquisting!

Why? He answered all of the questions he was asked by the inquiry. He had every right to repond to Gomery's charge that giving away golf balls was, "small-town cheap." Gomery never should have said that, especially directly to the press. A judge is supposed to reserve judgement until all the evidence has been heard.

Rex murphy is right, this is no joke, this is serious business and canadians have a right to know what happened to that money.

He may be right, but this turned into a political circus before Gomery even banged his gavel the first time. Nobody involved is interested in the whole truth coming out. Instead they are on a witch hunt.

The amount is to huge that it can be ignored.

As federal government budgets go it's pretty much pocket change, actually. That doesn't mean that this shouldn't be investigated but things have to be kept in perspective.

Even if you are liberal you must demand answers.

The answers aren't going to come out of this mess. The whole thing is designed for answers not to come out. We would have been better off just letting the RCMP investigate it. They've already pressed some charges.

Oh no, were up the creek without a paddle now, Rex Murphy’s pissed. He's gonna chew us all new A holes, for wasting all that money...

He's just pissed the CBC didn't get it and the CBC could have used it and the CBC is full of Liberals, and if the CBC isn't in the business of selling Canada to Canadians, who is?

First off, Rex Murphy has continually espoused the same views on government that you have, JJ. He wants it to be small and ineffectual.

Second of all the CBC has its own budget...which works out to less than a case of beer for every Canadian every year...so that's not a valid statement at all.

Third of all most countries, especially the developed ones, have a government-funded national broadcaster.

Fourth of all the CBC is internationally respected for the quality of its news and adherence to high journalistic standards.

Fifth of all, what the hell is wrong with having a national broadcaster that presents Canadian views to Canadian people?

If Jay or I had posted what PeaPod did you would be all over us for being Liberal haters and to lighten up.

Just because you tend to agree with her on almost everything else you don't have to treat with "kidgloves" when she posts something your against.

Sorry, but I had other things to do. I started a whinging thread a while back, maybe you'd like to check it out.

Why do I get the distinct feeling you have alot more time on your hands than i do?

It doesn't take much time at all.

I question that the judge did not ask why John Cretien thought it was OK to spend $100 million on only the golf balls! Seems like I could have gotten them cheaper.

That's just silly.

and I will reapeat to you once again, given a choice between being robbed and having religious zealots in power...a no brainer....I choose robbery.

A couple of things...there is absolutely no indication by their political records that the Conservatives would be any less likely to steal, rob, cheat, and lie than the Liberals are. The Conservative law dude (that's the official title that I gave him...I think the Conservatives call him Justice Critic) Vic Toews just got busted here in Manitoba for breaking provincial election laws. Former leader and present Foreign Affairs Critic, Stockwell (Doris) Day broke the law by leaning on a lawyer. When the lawyer sued him, Doris used government of Alberta funds to pay for his defense.

There are more, but those are just off the top of my head.
 

tibear

Electoral Member
Jan 25, 2005
854
0
16
RB,

A couple of things...there is absolutely no indication by their political records that the Conservatives would be any less likely to steal, rob, cheat, and lie than the Liberals are. The Conservative law dude (that's the official title that I gave him...I think the Conservatives call him Justice Critic) Vic Toews just got busted here in Manitoba for breaking provincial election laws.

Firstly, let me say I wholehearted agree that it appears like all parties today will do their fair share of grabbing of money that doesn't belong to them.

However, I find it rather low to say Vic Towes just got busted, without saying the whole story. You and I both know that yes there was overspending in his constituency for an election but the overspending was a misunderstanding between his campaign office and the provincial Conservatives. Yes, he should have known and ensured that things didn't happen but it was an oversight. Noone, not even the prosecutors were saying that he delibrately spend more than he knew he should. He was convicted of overspending, period. Let's put the facts in, eh.