SPLIT TOPIC: Canadian economics

[gnuman]

What can the US provide to these other countries that Canada can't? We have all the natural resources in the world and we could offer it to the countries who say no to the US. The US needs us more or else the bottled water they are drinking will come from a sewer in Idaho.

I mean look at it the US bullies around but who needs who more? Sure the US can probably do everything themselves but that would mean companies like WalMart will only be able to sell tires and furniture which would be american made.

The US depends on other countries more than the countries needs them. Sure they probably get kickbacks and what not but they have the control. Walmart in the US maybe has 1% if not less of their items in stock made in the US. Everything is imported.

Canada as a county itself has everything that it needs. You actually think the US can get enough oil out of Texas? You'd go dry in a year or two.

You look at it this way Canada is the supreme ally. We can deal with the EU if we wanted to because the Euro is worth more than the dollar is it is advantageous to us either way. We should stop depending on the US and the 85% export and get it around 50% and the 35% goes to Europe where they are more deserving than the snobs of America.

 

[LuShes]

gnuman, don't be naive. All countries depend on each other econonmically to keep things in balance. You can't just go and pull a Quebec sepreatism move from the rest of the world!

We need to work together, we need to stop fighting, we need peace.

Policticans need to grow up, get there head out of there ass, and quit trying to play superman or take over the world. This is not Conquest or Risk, not some little game. Real lives and real people are affected by everything they do. I am probably contradicting myself somewhere here form my last post *shrugs*

Who the hell cares about Walmart, its corporate giant putting many into businesses bankrupty since they can't compete. Yes I am guilty, I shop there too It's rare anything is canadian or american mad anymore, its all made in Tawain or China, lol. Cheap labour is what the big corparations want.

Shmad was telling me that Hewlett Packard is moving there Pavillion technical support to India, because they can pay the workers less there. So in thus canadians are losing more jobs from cheap labourers.

Oh my I am way off topic...I am just gunna end it at this... ;p

 

[LuShes]

On another note I forgot to post.

Canada could't produce enough materials for us to go by on our own!

No one could...unless you were Iraq...lol

Our water is polluted by huge factories...our rivers and oceans are being raped of salmon.

gnuman, there is much left of canada that is going good for us.

 

[gnuman]

I don't believe that we have the biggest oil and natural gas resources in the whole world.

We have the most potable water as well. All I was saying before is that the US depends a lot on the third world countries for their own benefits. They import clothes from countries in the third world like Bangladesh etc and who benefits? Companies and people.

Yes I know everything is going to places overseas, HP help centre going to India... Hello tank you for calling HP how can I help you? YWho are they honestly helping really? The economy suffers when countries seek cheaper labour because then they have less taxes to pay, then employees don't have as much taxes to pay.

Well thats the price you have to pay for capitalism. Let the end consumer spend a little more for their PC and worry less on pleasing investors and seeking the highest amount of profitability possible.

But what if the support from guys in India is unsatisfactory? Then they would be in some sort of problem. They probably get paid $5000 a year while HP guys in the US or Canada get about $25000+

Lushes everything happened because of Conquest. How did white folk "find" the land? They sailed out from Europe and oh look we discovered America! Thats what everything was built from. Yes I agree today there is no point honestly unless to satisfy their own capitalistic needs thats all.

What is Quebec separating from honestly? Nothing at all, its an idea that they are better than Canada but see there is still the separation in the Canadian govt. Eventhough Jean Charest is Liberal leader do you see a change in the federal liberals? No. they still shortchange Quebec in the money that is owed to us. Is that fair that now we have a pro-Canada premier that we are still punished?

Its the govts that causes these problems and everything. They are complete morons at some sorts but our system of govt is still a lot better than the US cuz we don't have lobbiests and other stupid things like that.

 

[Andem]

What is Quebec separating from honestly? Nothing at all, its an idea that they are better than Canada but see there is still the separation in the Canadian govt. Eventhough Jean Charest is Liberal leader do you see a change in the federal liberals? No. they still shortchange Quebec in the money that is owed to us. Is that fair that now we have a pro-Canada premier that we are still punished?

Come on, that's the biggest load of BS I've heard on these forums! It's more typical whining from Québec about how much they don't get and how they should have special rights.

Canada's government has given more to Québec than their fair share. They have a higher percentage of ministers, they have more rights in the Canadian military.. and above all they have an all you can eat pass in the Canadian budget.

I dare you to go to Alberta or BC and tell them Québec doesn't get enough $$. Have you seen what the current and past liberal governments have done to Western Canada? Do you know how much cash flows from the federal government to Québec and the Atlantic provinces? I don't think you do.

Alberta is a very important province in Canadian economy. But they don't matter to our federal government.. they only care about Quebec and the Atlantic provinces and Ontario somewhat.

This needs a new thread.

 

[Shmad]

gnuman, that was the stupidest post I've ever seen, pretty narrow minded if you ask me. Wah wah wah poor Quebec. They get a WHOLE LOT more than BC and Alberta do, and you don't hear us whining about seperating from the country, we like the country, if you're greedy little province thinks its getting shafted, for 4 years take what BC gets and BC will take what Quebec gets.. then we'll see who's worse off.

 

[gnuman]

I don't think thats a bunch of BS. Quebec got screwed out of money for health care and this is the big debate that is going on. Ontario and Quebec make up the majority of the population while Alberta has its farm lands.

You don't think that Alberta tried for separation already? Sure they'd run off with the grains and the oil.

But there is such a small percentage of people that live in the prarie provinces that it does not need as much attention. Who the heck in their right mind would leave Toronto or Montreal and go to the west? There's nothing there for them.

BC has a lot of people coming there but look what its mainly made up of, asians. The influx of asians to BC and the popularity for them to move there is making the economy go up and also housing prices.

 

[Shmad]

I don't think thats a bunch of BS. Quebec got screwed out of money for health care and this is the big debate that is going on. Ontario and Quebec make up the majority of the population while Alberta has its farm lands.

You don't think that Alberta tried for separation already? Sure they'd run off with the grains and the oil.

But there is such a small percentage of people that live in the prarie provinces that it does not need as much attention. Who the heck in their right mind would leave Toronto or Montreal and go to the west? There's nothing there for them.

BC has a lot of people coming there but look what its mainly made up of, asians. The influx of asians to BC and the popularity for them to move there is making the economy go up and also housing prices.

What you ever been to BC? If so lately? Our economy here is booming, we've got hundreds of movies being filmed here each year, we have huge growth in numbers of people coming from other provinces to move here.

I think its a little naive of you to say there is nothing in the West for anyone. There's quite a bit. Sure employment wasn't doing well in the past, but its skyrocketing with major business moving into BC and away from some other venues, again helping the economy here.

As for asians living here, yes there are a lot... in Vancouver, they bring in a lot of money into the economy, housing prices are dropping (even in vancouver over the past months -- don't know where you got your figures from), and correct me if Im wrong, but Toronto has huge asian populuses as well.

Toronto's economy is hurting because of the SARS scare.. why would people move to BC? Well, its proven to be a lot more stable (and saner) than the East.

Sidenote: some would construe your comments about asians to be a tad racist....

 

[military intelligence]

BC has a lot of people coming there but look what its mainly made up of, asians. The influx of asians to BC and the popularity for them to move there is making the economy go up and also housing prices.

Wow!!!!!!! Im not even asian and I find that highly offensive. You are a bastard! :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x

 

[Shmad]

military intelligence: my avatar is better

 

[Andem]

You know it's quite funny, but also disturbing how many asians flood into Canada. But that's a whole other arguement (see thread about 'what immigration does to a city' for my opinion).

Come on, how clueless are people in eastern/central Canada? British Columbia makes up a large portion of our economy and population.. They have *always* been on the back burner with the liberal and former conservative governments. Why do you think the Canadian Alliance exists and is so popular in the west? Take a wild guess! They are tired of being put last.. Québec's complaining is extremely annoying and it's definately not informed.

FYI: Ontario has also had trouble with health care and funding. It's called a budget, and it's because of the provincial budget that health care loses essential funding.. Quebec finally got smart and voted in a party that actually likes Canada and doesn't refuse to hold it's flag up high. (by no means does this mean I support the liberals).. Maybe now the language police funding can be directed into something that actually matters...

Oh? Did you say something about healthcare? There you are.

Just another point: Ontario's PC government has made drastic changes for the better over the two terms they have been in power. They cut debt, they cut non-essential services which put Ontario's future at risk. They cut from schools, they cut from welfare and they re-organised the services the province had so long forgotten about when the ndp/liberals were in power.

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[gnuman]

Yes I know people go to the west but the percentage that go there go to BC and not the prarie provinces.

The average price of a house in Vancouver is about $250-275K which is a lot. (This figure was from Investor's Edge). That is the second highest in Canada behind Toronto. Montreal was still the cheapest place to live.

A lot of movies are filmed in Montreal as well because of the vast differences in area scenerary wise, like Old Montreal etc. Vancouver is a popular place as well and Toronto well dunno about them. Heck the X-Files were produced in Vancouver during its better days, till the show went to California and went downhill from there.

I know Toronto has a huge asian population as well, so does Montreal.

Toronto's economy is also suffering because of the cutbacks from the Federal govt, and also the debt Toronto is in since the megacity merger going through.

 

[Andem]

Just for the record, Toronto has a massive amount of movies filmed here. I believe more than Montréal and not far behind Vancouver.

Here's a few biggies filmed in Toronto:

- Xmen
- Good will hunting
- Twister (just north of T.O)
- My big fat greek wedding
- How To Lose a Guy in 10 Days
- John Q
- Undercover Brother
- K-19: The Widowmaker (parts of it)
- Tuxedo w/ Jackie Chan

and I can keep on going! Not to mention to TV shows filmed here.

The megacity amalgamation saved money afaik. I think it was a smart idea to get all of these municipal gov'ts into just one. Mel Lastman unfortunately managed to go from North York mayor to Toronto mayor! Get him out already!!!

 

[Shmad]

Right now we have Jennifer Lopez and Robert Redford here filming some movie, of which I've forgotten the name of already.

 

[gnuman]

Andem where did you hear about Toronto not having huge debts? I heard on the news that Toronto is losing lots of money because of the mega-city merger.

You honestly think the Quebec Liberals will change the language laws? Not likely, just as much of a chance like Sheila Copps being Prime Minister.

John Q was a great movie, but the sad part is you'd have to do what John Q did to get some great healthcare heheh

You don't hear about it that much of the language police anymore, but what's bad is parents don't have the choice of whether to put their kids into english/french schooling.

 

[LuShes]

Shmad:

The movie with Robert RedFord and Jennifer Lopez is called a "A life Unfinished" Will be finsihed in about 7 months... Which I am buying!!! who hooo

 

[Andem]

Andem where did you hear about Toronto not having huge debts? I heard on the news that Toronto is losing lots of money because of the mega-city merger.

I'm sorry.. can you quote me where I said anything about Toronto & debt? Ontario Government != Toronto Government. Where did you hear that the GTA amalgamation is costing more? From what I can see, centralized services work far better than previously.

You honestly think the Quebec Liberals will change the language laws? Not likely, just as much of a chance like Sheila Copps being Prime Minister.

They sound like old-style marxist/communists. Why doesn't the federal government just tell everyone they've got to buy a certain brand of product and if they dont't, they're breaking the law.

Come on! Québec is more problems than it's worth. Why don't they just seperate already. Quebecois will see their standard of living dive to the level of Mexico (or worse). When Quebec seperates, Canada will just be profiting from Québec rather than having to wipe their ass for them (or to put it nicely, Canada would still be a major role in Quebec with trading and such).

Don't forget 90% of the average american public would be boycotting 'french' products.. they don't care if its from France, Belgium or Quebec. (The swiss are different)

John Q was a great movie, but the sad part is you'd have to do what John Q did to get some great healthcare heheh

The movie was not bad. However you're completely ignorant. Canada has a world-class healthcare system which provides for everyone. If this were John Q, they would not be forced to pay half a million dollars for surgery.

You don't hear about it that much of the language police anymore, but what's bad is parents don't have the choice of whether to put their kids into english/french schooling.

Thanks for reminding me why I avoid Québec. They have a little of everything in them. They have the perfect touch of American ignorance, the [bastardised] language of the French and similarities to the former Soviet Socialist Republics.

Don't be arrogant.. Because we can be arrogant right back.

The truth hurts!

 

[gnuman]

Sure you need Quebec heck look at the problems Ontario hydro has. Quebec supplies hydro power to a lot of areas.

Americans are too stupid to know that there are french people in Quebec, and well if Trudeau officially passed the law making Canada's official languages english and french maybe things between Quebec and Canada would be better.

I don't see the point in learning french in Quebec honestly. They speak eboniques (the french version of ebonics). I just look at them and say to myself wtf is the person saying because its not a language.

Well I wouldn't call Canada's healthcare world-class per se but it needs some help to make things run smoother. Stupid cutbacks did all this, and Quebec is suffering for its own stupid mistakes for handing out retirement packages to its nurses a little to quickly.

Andem there is an incident where this guy who moved to Ontario (who was a francophone and well was "assimilated" in his words) and couldn't qualify to put his kid into a french school. So there is the same problem there as there is here. The cause of this problem was simple, they switched it from protestant and catholic school boards to english and french, you'd be lucky to finish in the same school you originally went to.

 

[LuShes]

What country isn't in debt? What does it matter what eventually we are going to get a Nuke or a meteor hitting our backyard, and politics will no longer matter to anyone ;p

I think the Quebec language laws are a little sad. Why can't we be just 1 nation and work together rather then pointing out "omg that son of a b*tch speaks french!"

I just want to move to asia, screw canada and the states...let them argue...

 

[WulF-Krigan]

I swear I tried to read this all...

But I kept laughing...Gnumanerguy...I gotta ask you. What would happen to all these third world countries if the US pulled out all its support?

If the US closed down every buiseness it had that expanded into Canada, China, or Europe?

I'm no economist, but my guess would be...um...mass economic panic. Stock crashes. Plagues. Brimstone. Pitchforks at the castle. Baby burnings. All manner of awefulness.

Now...Imagine what would happen after that all settled down?
Nations refusing to communicate politically with one another. Military build ups over differances...Like who screwed who on what budget...and eventually open war, conquest...heh...RISK for real.

Life would become brutal, calous, cheap, and short.

Politics, communication, discourse between nations is what keeps the world (and economy) going. If those things break down, so does the machine. If the machine breaks down alot of people die of many number of things.