Split over Bexit....Chaos in UK.
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The smart ones are skidaddling. I don't blame them. Who the hell wants their names to be associated with one of the biggest stupids in British history?
Exactly...... Watching this chaos on BBC in the background...... hard to believe that the Brits would have allowed themselves t become so vulnerable.......... via some stupid notion.
Between the American craziness and the UK chaos........... the world is at a fragile statee.
Are you saying the Brexiteers were foolish to vote leave without any clear idea of what they were leaving for?
Naah.
For sure!
There are many aspects of the USMCA that I dislike, but if I faced a referendum for or against the USMCA with the leave option being just that, leave, with no clear indication as to what we intended to replace it with, I'd vote to stay with the USMCA.
Canada should learn from the UK's example here. If ever Canada had such a referendum, it should never be a for or against referendum since the 'against' option will always be ambiguous. It says what we don't want but says nothing about what we want.
Any such referendum should be a for this or for that referendum, with two reasonably clear and unambiguous options.
Whoever wrote the Brexit referendum question was a total amateur.
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Considering that the USMCA is little more than NAFTA rebranded I doubt any vote on it is likely.
For the most part, you're right. I see flaws in NAFTA too for that matter, but I still wouldn't trade that in for the unknown like the Brexiteers did.
The question was pretty cut and dried - to stay with the EU or leave the EU. Why would anything else matter. What was wrong with the UK BEFORE it joined the EU? Why would they have to consider other countries? For what?
If I were a Brit, I would have voted leave and expect that my country would go back to the way it was. I would expect that we would do our own trade deals with whomever, get back control of our borders and ensure that our rule of law was followed. Why is everyone complicating things? But, maybe it's just me.....
JMHO
If I were a Brit, I would have voted leave and expect that my country would go back to the way it was. I would expect that we would do our own trade deals with whomever, get back control of our borders and ensure that our rule of law was followed. Why is everyone complicating things? But, maybe it's just me.....
JMHO
USMCA is currently being reviewed and debated in the three national capitals. It is anything but a done deal, given that the national assemblies of each member state need to approve the thing.
That is the referendum: the elected representatives investigating and deciding and voting for and against all matters of public concern.
The Brexiters managed to achieve a suspension of normal procedure in order to achieve their goals.
That is the referendum: the elected representatives investigating and deciding and voting for and against all matters of public concern.
The Brexiters managed to achieve a suspension of normal procedure in order to achieve their goals.
Totally ambiguous. To take an example:
Leave for the Norwegian model?
Leave for the Swiss model?
Leave for the CETA model?
Leave to return to WTO rules?
Leave for more protectionism, tariffs, and quotas and isolation?
Leave for unilateral global free trade?
These are just the ones I can come up with off the top of my head. If you read what the question options were, you'll see that the leave option gave no idea of what was to replace EU membership.
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If Britain waits long enough they'll see the rest of the EU fragment around them.
It's methodically collapsing from its margins inwards. It's two most notable champions of its centre core of Germany and France are being ousted. Angela Merkel is leaving after a series of defeats for her party to the forces of nationalism and populism. Emmanuel Macron's popularity, who sold himself as a revitalizer of the EU, has fallen to an unprecedented 29%. Italy, Poland, Hungary, Portugal, Greece are charting independent, post EU, paths
Britain would be well advised to prepare itself for an EU that forms little but security superstructure made up of sovereign and independent nation states. It'll likely happen within a decade.
It's methodically collapsing from its margins inwards. It's two most notable champions of its centre core of Germany and France are being ousted. Angela Merkel is leaving after a series of defeats for her party to the forces of nationalism and populism. Emmanuel Macron's popularity, who sold himself as a revitalizer of the EU, has fallen to an unprecedented 29%. Italy, Poland, Hungary, Portugal, Greece are charting independent, post EU, paths
Britain would be well advised to prepare itself for an EU that forms little but security superstructure made up of sovereign and independent nation states. It'll likely happen within a decade.
Maybe this will lead to the reunification of Ireland. Seems the logical outcome since religion seems no longer to be the decisive dividing factor. The Republic of Ireland has repudiated its Catholic character with its legalization of abortion and, homosexual 'marriage' and, election of an openly homosexual Prime Minister. The whole place has gone to hell so what's to keep them apart now. I'm not sure Northern Ireland is a viable state outside Britain.
You'd prefer poverty, starvation, and a nice flock of young victims for the priests?