Special rights for certain groups in Canada

[Spade]

Competition is too stiff right now. Give men a leg up?

 

[SLM]

Competition is too stiff right now. Give men a leg up?

No. If we are looking at a shortage of male representation in the field of medicine, how I would advocate society attempting to correct that would be to encourage youth, pre-med school or pre-university, to pursue the skills and course materials necessary to provide them equal access in the application process to medical school. And to be clear, in absolutely no way should gender be a consideration for enrollment. That way, regardless of gender, we can be better assured that those individuals who will become our future doctors will be the best qualified for the job.

 

[Andem]

What about helping men qualify for medical school?
Women doctors will outnumber men within a decade: research - Telegraph

You bring up a very controversial, though relevant topic: Will employed female doctors outnumber employed male doctors?

I can't speak for Canada, but in Germany several people I know (a couple close friends) are medical doctors. Some better than others. The better ones are employed because of their skills and their paycheques show, while the others (sadly to say) have a job because there is a shortage in the profession.

Before anybody goes mad, I'm not inferring that female practitioners are incompetent, I'm merely exploring the possibility that PERHAPS some of them got through med school because they were female under this new PC madness.

 

[Goober]

Andem- Perhaps some links would assist in understanding the differences between EU and Canada.
But this committee with those types on it reminds me of the good old USSR.

 

[gerryh]

But this committee with those types on it reminds me of the good old USSR.

Maybe they aren't dead. Maybe the falling of the Berlin wall was all part of a Soviet master plan to take over Europe on the sly. Right under everyone's nose.

 

[Goober]

Maybe they aren't dead. Maybe the falling of the Berlin wall was all part of a Soviet master plan to take over Europe on the sly. Right under everyone's nose.

The EU can come up with some really off the wall polices. Strasbourg is infested with idiots.

 

[SLM]

You bring up a very controversial, though relevant topic: Will employed female doctors outnumber employed male doctors?

I can't speak for Canada, but in Germany several people I know (a couple close friends) are medical doctors. Some better than others. The better ones are employed because of their skills and their paycheques show, while the others (sadly to say) have a job because there is a shortage in the profession.

Before anybody goes mad, I'm not inferring that female practitioners are incompetent, I'm merely exploring the possibility that PERHAPS some of them got through med school because they were female under this new PC madness.

Well and that is the very legitimate fear when qualifications are deemed less important than special interest groups. I would like to think that the educational system would still weed out poor contenders, I would like to think that even though gender may have been a consideration for acceptance to the school these young women were adequately qualified anyway, but the fact is that I don't know that. And that's the point, we can't know that, we can't have faith in the standards.

The standards have to come first or else society will be poorer in the long run.

 

[Spade]

Before anybody goes mad, I'm not inferring that female practitioners are incompetent, I'm merely exploring the possibility that PERHAPS some of them got through med school because they were female under this new PC madness.

Not so; it is because they are better qualified academically.

And, from medicine to law.
http://www.nytimes.com/2001/03/26/business/women-are-close-to-being-majority-of-law-students.html

And from law, it is a short step topolitics. The glass ceiling is showing its cracks.
Six premiers of provinces/territories in Canada are women.

 

[Andem]

I also wanted to add: There is or was also an over-representation of "white" male medical doctors, but currently universities which are both publicly and privately funded are under legislation (or political threats, depending on province and region) to not accept any more "white" male students, regardless of qualifying criteria. The most extreme (high) grades are the only exception in most cases.

Well on that topic, I've been pretty sick before living in Toronto on private insurance where the doctors (both of foreign extraction) vehemently refused to subscribe generic alternatives to very expensive non-penicillin antibiotics. They no doubt made most of their living off of pharmaceutical deals (and yes, cash compensation isn't necessary).

Not so; it is because they are better qualified academically.

I'm not willing to explore your citation. The New York Times is not the most trustworthy source in my books. In addition, academic credentials are not necessarily something I always trust, especially since a lot of of my colleagues are idiots, yet hold doctorates with no substance. As mentioned in my OP, I am very aware of the corruption within academic circles

But I will entertain your comment: If they are more qualified for the job, then they deserve the job. In the end, the markets ALWAYS decide if they are given the freedom and chance to. No bloated government should be able to decide for the market.

And from law, it is a short step topolitics. The glass ceiling is showing its cracks.
Six premiers of provinces/territories in Canada are women.

Unfortunately, there is no sign of change. So are women as good as, or as bad as men? Or did they receive their mandate through an open and democratic process in which they will be able to prove themselves? Is the system of free choice without outside interference really so bad?

Let's cut the BS! We're all products of the human race which has many, many flaws. Women, men, gay, straight.

 

[Goober]

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[CDNBear]

Andem, given the obvious insanity that has gripped Europe, why have you chosen to live there?

 

[Spade]

Europe for the Europeans!

 

[lone wolf]

Tokenism means you don't give a damn for quality

 

[Spade]

Andem, you must admit that in Canada there were many cultural restraints holding women back from profession and power. By law, women were not considered "persons" until October 18, 1929. I remember when business, politics, law, medicine, academics were a male purview. Appointment on merit alone is an ideal, but only on a level playing field.

 

[Goober]

Andem, you must admit that in Canada there were many cultural restraints holding women back from profession and power. By law, women were not considered "persons" until October 18, 1929. I remember when business, politics, law, medicine, academics were a male purview. Appointment on merit alone is an ideal, but only on a level playing field.

I posted a thread on this with links that shows numbers and percentages in Canada.

Employment Equity Act and Mandates

 

[wulfie68]

I agree with the idea that merit should always trump gender but I know that particularly among older males, gender bias is a very real issue. I've seen it first hand in the past and I see it today. Some of the reasoning doesn't sound so bad when you get into the rationalizations but it is just that: rationalization.

I've seen guys favour male candidates over equally/more qualified female candidates because they were afraid "she'll be a ball-buster" (whereas in a guy he's aggressive, a "go-getter", a "bulldog", or a "hard charger" or something with equally lessened negative connotations). I've seen guys justify not hiring women because they "didn't want the temptation" at work or to have their wives "jealous" of female subordinates... as if every woman in the work place wants to sleep with her boss. I've also seen some guys go the other way and try to hire attractive women in the work place in the hope of getting something on the side, but that's playing with fire in a variety of ways and rarely works out as planned. I know some of this is my industry: the oil and gas business is male dominated, and although women are making in-roads, there is a long way to go, especially because of the physical demands (which many women don't want in their work place, even though they can meet them in many cases).

 

[CDNBear]

My wife hates hiring women, because she hates drama.

 

[Goober]

My wife hates hiring women, because she hates drama.

When the resume states Art Degree send a nicely worded NO.

 

[CDNBear]

When the resume states Art Degree send a nicely worded NO.

As much as I know you're being funny...

She has art grads handing in resumes.

 

[Goober]

As much as I know you're being funny...

She has art grads handing in resumes.

And yes i thought is was funny. Not much work (in their respective fields)for Teachers and those with Arts degrees in Ontario.