South African Slaughter with no notice from International countries

What do you think about the "unnoticed" genocide in South Africa?


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CDNBear

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CanAfrica

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My Fellow Canuckleheads...

:canada:For CND Bear and Avro, I am a Canadian (Ontario) and am currently residing in SA. Your debate was not bad, until you both ran out of ammunition - (being logical and factual evidences and or arguments) - let alone first hand knowledge to back a claim.

I find the oh-so-mature responses of emoticons flipping the finger toward another person, ab-so-freaking-brilliant!!! I've never felt more proud to be Canadian!!!
< okay, sarcasm OFF!>

You embarrass myself as a Canadian (is this a line you will highlight? - and tell me to stay in SA?) HA! I thought it crossed your mind.

There are many Canadians that do indeed understand the dynamic of what this nation is all about. As Canadians should understand that we too - our ancestors (just like the minorities ancestors in SA) set sail and developed a nation, created some of the worlds most prestiged infrastructures, corporations, banking institutions, opportunities not to mention a sought after CIVILIZED standard of living, let alone a civilized manner of life.

I'm not arguing Apartheid being some wondrous way - I'm saying that in many respects it actually worked out better for the whole in SA. It should have been amended differently - much differently, that I wholeheartedly jump up and down about. Tho the UN would have none of it, as much the "world" is not used to seeing whites as a minority and therefore the "world" doesn't understand the special dynamic of living here.

Canada is renowned for many things our humility and open mindedness - in my view that boils down to our intelligence. Any educated Canadian knows that to discern for oneself is vital in understanding any significant matter.

Might I suggest you read, watch and listen more and talk less - perhaps then one day develop a verifiable argument? < Oh... I thought not, well - I said it regardless>

I will post a link to a documentary for anyone who's interested. Watch and learn as I'm sure any open minded person would do, especially if one chooses to hold strong opinions regarding such a complex situation. The power is to educate oneself in order to form a fair and unbiased judgment.

The power is in you, it's in all who discern without prejudice and without an expected outcome.
 

CDNBear

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:canada:For CND Bear and Avro, I am a Canadian (Ontario) and am currently residing in SA. Your debate was not bad, until you both ran out of ammunition - (being logical and factual evidences and or arguments) - let alone first hand knowledge to back a claim.
I'm not sure what debate you think I was involved in. I merely handed Mhz her ass, because she a contemptible dolt.

I find the oh-so-mature responses of emoticons flipping the finger toward another person, ab-so-freaking-brilliant!!! I've never felt more proud to be Canadian!!!
< okay, sarcasm OFF!>
If that's what you are referring to, then let me be the first to say, you're barking up the wrong tree. That was two guys just messing around.

You embarrass myself as a Canadian (is this a line you will highlight? - and tell me to stay in SA?) HA! I thought it crossed your mind.
Not at all. But my first request still stands.

There are many Canadians that do indeed understand the dynamic of what this nation is all about. As Canadians should understand that we too - our ancestors (just like the minorities ancestors in SA) set sail and developed a nation, created some of the worlds most prestiged infrastructures, corporations, banking institutions, opportunities not to mention a sought after CIVILIZED standard of living, let alone a civilized manner of life.
That's all well and good, but your ancestors most definitely entered into contracts with the, what I can only conclude you mean to imply, uncivilized heathens that were here. That they no longer wish to civilly adhere to.

I'm not arguing Apartheid being some wondrous way - I'm saying that in many respects it actually worked out better for the whole in SA. It should have been amended differently - much differently, that I wholeheartedly jump up and down about. Tho the UN would have none of it, as much the "world" is not used to seeing whites as a minority and therefore the "world" doesn't understand the special dynamic of living here.
And despite your pre3vious assertions, i actually agree with you, go figure.

Canada is renowned for many things our humility and open mindedness - in my view that boils down to our intelligence. Any educated Canadian knows that to discern for oneself is vital in understanding any significant matter.
Again, agreed.

Might I suggest you read, watch and listen more and talk less - perhaps then one day develop a verifiable argument? < Oh... I thought not, well - I said it regardless>
Wow, you pretty much sum up how I feel about SA. Even though you already threw a shot across my bow, without actually knowing what my opinion on the matter was. Perhaps you should take some of your own advice.

The power is to educate oneself in order to form a fair and unbiased judgment.
Wow, more advice you, yourself should follow.

The power is in you, it's in all who discern without prejudice and without an expected outcome.
This is true, I find puzzling how it is you came to this conclusion, after highlighting such personal deficiencies in it.
 

kaleb

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Dear CanAfrica

Thanks for the post. At last I have found someone who agrees that living here actually gives you the insight into the dynamics of the South African way of life.

I hope that more Canadians and other Westernised people have the opportunity to come here and experience reality of our situation. I truly hope you are aware of the crime and don't take it for granted.

As for the question of Apartheid (which I hope your learned countrymen above know the direct translation for), I never agreed with it being made a law in our country as it has been and always will be practised all over the world without any laws needing to be promulgated. In all capitalistic systems economics regulates where you live, what you drive, how you dress, who you socialize with etc. In communistic systems politics governs it. And in other countries such as India, the caste system regulates it.
BUT, with that being said, our country(as you rightly put it) has a very special dynamic now. Every black person was promised a house, car and money if they voted for the ANC. This up until now has not really been realised except for a select few who have become really wealthy. So the majority are becoming more and more dissatisfied, but are way to scared to vote for someone else. And you would know why if you have lived through a "democratic" election here - African style.
Because of the way the ANC is running the country, the ordinary black man has basically lost his traditional way of acquiring land, which would have been given to him through consultation with his local "headman" and chief. It does however happen where chiefs vigorously oppose the ANC meddling in their affairs. But, if they upset the ANC too much, unfortunate things befall the chiefs.
Anyway, I was thinking about starting a party called "SPOS"- Shoot Politicians on Sight. Let the chiefs manage their people again and allow business to run government.

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lone wolf

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Since we don't have that crap happening here, it would be a little difficult for anyone to get a distinct picture. The old I came I saw I conquered attitude is familiar. Sometimes, it's hard to decypher the truth from the propaganda - but we've all heard of Nelson Mandella.

I do sincerely hope it all gets sorted out because I really do miss South African Granny Smiths.
 

Bar Sinister

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Dear Bar Sinister

My dictionary's interpretation of genocide obviously appears to be incorrect. I get the following definition - "the deliberate and systematic extermination of a national, racial, political, or cultural group".

I was not discussing definitions of genocide. I was responding to this part of your post:
Sounds fimiliar - the only mistake we made here was that we did not wipe out our entire black population as we thought we could live side by side with them - not like the Canadians.

Perhaps I misinterpreted what you were trying to say, but it seemed to me that you were advocating genocide. If I was wrong please correct me.
 

kaleb

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"Perhaps I misinterpreted what you were trying to say, but it seemed to me that you were advocating genocide. If I was wrong please correct me."

I answered this one already - I will try to be less facetious from now on - I don't think you get it. "adhibenda est in jocando moderatio".

Oh, and Lone Wolf, we still have awesome Granny Smith apples, just hard to come by because a lot of the farmers have left for 'greener pastures'.

Okay - one more facetious story to see if you guys catch on. The following column was printed in the SA Sunday Times in 2008 by David Bullard and for which he was duly fired for being racist - so much for freedom of speech when our bigwig politicos are allowed to sing "Kill the boer" at every opportunity. Uncolonised Africa wouldn?t know what it was missing - Out to Lunch | David Bullard | Moneyweb is the link to the article.


Uncolonised Africa wouldn’t know what it was missing



"Imagine for a moment what life would be like in South Africa if the evil white man hadn't come to disturb the rustic idyll of the early black settlers.
Ignored by the Portuguese and Dutch, except as a convenient resting point en route to India. Shunned by the British, who had decided that their empire was already large enough and didn't need to include bits of Africa.
The vast mineral wealth lying undisturbed below the Highveld soil as simple tribesmen graze their cattle blissfully unaware that beneath them lies one of the richest gold seams in the world. But what would they want with gold?
There are no roads because no roads are needed because there are no cars. It's 2008 and no one has taken the slightest interest in South Africa, apart from a handful of botanists and zoologists who reckon that the country's flora and fauna rank as one of the largest unspoilt areas in a polluted world.
Because they have never been exposed to the sinful ways of the West, the various tribes of South Africa live healthy and peaceful lives, only occasionally indulging in a bit of ethnic cleansing.
Their children don't watch television because there is no television to watch. Instead they listen to their grandparents telling stories around a fire. They live in single-storey huts arranged to catch most of the day's sunshine and their animals are kept nearby.
Nobody has any more animals than his family needs and nobody grows more crops than he requires to feed his family and swap for other crops. Ostentation is unknown because what is the point of trying to impress your fellow citizens when they are not impressible?
The dreaded Internet doesn't exist in South Africa and cellphone companies have laughed off any hope of interesting the inhabitants in talking expensively into a piece of black plastic. There are no unsightly shopping malls selling expensive goods made by Asian slave workers and consequently there are no newspapers or magazines carrying articles comparing the relative merits of ladies' handbags.
Whisky, the curse of the white man, isn't known in this undeveloped land and neither are cigars. The locals brew a sort of beer out of vegetables and drink it out of shallow wooden bowls. Five-litre paint cans have yet to arrive in South Africa.
Every so often a child goes missing from the village, eaten either by a hungry lion or a crocodile. The family mourn for a week or so and then have another child. Life is, on the whole, pretty good but there is something vital missing. Being unaware of the temptations of the outside world, nobody knows what it is. Fire has been discovered and the development of the wheel is coming on nicely but the tribal elders are still aware of some essential happiness ingredient they still need to discover. Praying to the ancestors is no help because they are just as clueless.
Then something happens that will change this undisturbed South Africa forever. Huge metal ships land on the coast and big metal flying birds are sent to explore the sparsely populated hinterland. They are full of men from a place called China and they are looking for coal, metal, oil, platinum, farmland, fresh water and cheap labour and lots of it. Suddenly the indigenous population realise what they have been missing all along: someone to blame. At last their prayers have been answered."

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Avro

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Where I once could have had some sympathies for SA, that's rare becasue I don't really care about any country other than my own, I find myself really not giving two pieces of crap for SA now....way to go Kaleb...perhaps you can alienate everyone else here as well by calling them stupid.:roll:

Cherrio.
 

kaleb

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Avro - so your sympathies are purely based on whether or not you like me. I read earlier about bigotry , but this takes it to a new level. You remind me of the narrow-minded white people that we have here- those ultra conservative whites as well as the blacks who cannot see 2 sides to a story and can never accept criticism, as then they are faced with looking in the mirror and seeing the real truth.



Please let me know what you intend to do after kindergarden. I hear fast food outlets require people with certain attributes and I see you have a special talent.



PS: do you know where Afghanistan is? I can forward you a map and please realise that the world is a little bigger than what you will look at.
 
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Bar Sinister

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I think that the problem is that it is difficult to find much in the way of sympathy for a people who moved into a country possessed of vast wealth and decided that the best way to develop it was to make sure that the indigenous population got as little of it as possible. Certainly, as Kaleb points out, South Africa ended up with the most advanced economy in all of Africa. The problem was (and still is) that the indigenous peoples were for the most part denied an equal share in this wealth. They were instead used mainly as a source of cheap labour to enrich the white minority and were forced to live in squalid ghettos. They were even dispossessed of most of their land with white farmers controlling over 70% of the arable land in spite of the fact that non-whites comprised 90% of the population.

The fact that European settlers in the Americas were equally ruthless is not relevant except to illustrate that all conquering peoples seem to act in the same bloody-minded way. A great evil was committed in the Americas, but that should not obscure the fact that the same thing happened in South Africa and almost every other African nation that was colonized during the 19th century. That is not to say that the people of Africa did not derive some benefits from this conquest, but it was bought at a price.
 

kaleb

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I agree to a certain extent Bar Sinister.But if the blacks had it so bad here, why did blacks from countries to the North of us all want to live here?

Please google a guy by the name of Keith Richburgh. I read his book years ago. He is an Afro-American journalist that spent a lot of time in Africa and I know that other Afro-Americans did not take kindly to his thoughts on Africa, but as he said "if you haven't experienced being here for yourself, it is hard to make a judgement".
 

Avro

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Avro - so your sympathies are purely based on whether or not you like me. I read earlier about bigotry , but this takes it to a new level. You remind me of the narrow-minded white people that we have here- those ultra conservative whites as well as the blacks who cannot see 2 sides to a story and can never accept criticism, as then they are faced with looking in the mirror and seeing the real truth.



Please let me know what you intend to do after kindergarden. I hear fast food outlets require people with certain attributes and I see you have a special talent.



PS: do you know where Afghanistan is? I can forward you a map and please realise that the world is a little bigger than what you will look at.

I highlighted the spelling mistakes for you....run along dumbass.:lol:
 

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Farmers' wives learn how to defend themselves on a farm-attack prevention course near the
Zimbabwean border in South Africa
Bella wakes. She hears a strangled, gurgling sound. It’s the dog, she thinks.
‘Peter, there’s something wrong,’ she says to her husband. Noises emerge from the room of her mother-
in-law, who’s 98 and confined to a wheelchair.
It’s 1am. Bella gets up and walks out of the bedroom. In the hall she sees a young man who at first she
thinks is her son. Except he’s black, wears a balaclava and is pointing a gun at her.
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‘He comes for me,’ says Bella, her hand before her tear-stained face.
‘He’s going to shoot me! I trip as I run back to the bedroom. Peter comes to the door but he has nothing
in his hand, no pistol. I hear a gun go off. I hear my mother-in-law screaming. I lock the door and
telephone my son. I tell him: “I think they shot Pa!”’
Two men are outside the bedroom window with a rifle. She loads the pistol Peter keeps by the bed.
‘I take the gun and say, “Come on! I’ll shoot you!”’
Back in the hall she finds Peter dead, a trail of blood across the kitchen floor. Her mother-in-law Gerda is
bruised and beaten.
‘I can’t tell you how hopeless I felt,’ Bella says. ‘I will see it in front of me for weeks, months, years.’
Vet's son Barend Harris (right), 13, learns to shoot
Days after Peter is cremated, the attackers return. The survivors are sleeping elsewhere by now, so the
gang finds only the dogs in the house. They torture the animals with boiling water before soaking them in
petrol and setting them on fire.
I ask Bella for a motive and she says a group of black South Africans who are squatting on their farmland
have repeatedly threatened them.
After the family find the dogs, Bella’s son Piet calls the police. Weeks later the attackers are still at
large; police arrested one man in connection with the killing but he was later released.
I am in her home. The bullet holes are still clearly visible. I ask her what she is going to do.
‘If we stay here they will kill us. You can’t say this was a dream, or rewind what happened. They want
our land.’
This is Bella’s account of an attack that happened last month in South Africa, in the north-east of the
country. Her home is a long way from the vineyards and beaches of Cape Town, but South Africa is to host
the 2010 World Cup and five of the centres for players and the hundreds of thousands of tourists who will
come with them are here in the north.
Preparations are in hand but this is against the backdrop of a country gripped by ultra-violence. Officially
there are about 50 murders a day, and three times that number of rapes. Most victims are poor blacks in
South Africa’s cities: reported deaths last year totalled more than 18,000.
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But among the casualties of the violence are white farmers, whose counterparts in Zimbabwe are singled
out for international press coverage; here in the ‘rainbow nation’ their murders, remarkable for their
particular savagery, go largely unreported.
Farmer's wife Ida Nel learns how shoot an AK-47 and a pistol on a 'farm protection weekend'
There are no official figures but, since the election of Nelson Mandela in 1994, farmers’ organisations say
3,000 whites in rural areas have been killed. The independent South African Human Rights Commission,
set up by Mandela’s government, says the number is 2,500.
Its commission’s report into the killings does not break down their figures by colour; but it says the
majority of attacks in general - ie where no one necessarily dies - are against white people and that 'there
was a considerably higher risk of a white victim of farm attacks being killed or injured than a black
victim.'
It states that since 2006, farmer murders have jumped by 25 per cent and adds: 'The lack of prosecutions
indicates the criminal justice system is not operating effectively to protect victims in farming
communities and to ensure the rule of law is upheld.'
I have lived and worked in Africa for 20 years, reporting from countries all across the continent. I know
that the truth is very hard to find here. Stereotypes are everywhere. Blacks give no credit to successful
white businesses. Whites give no credit to the black populace, refusing stubbornly to acknowledge that
they themselves are physical reminders of a brutal colonial past.
What is certain is this: since the mid-Nineties, 900,000 mainly white South Africans have emigrated from
South Africa - about 20 per cent of the white population - most of them due to soaring crime rates. In an
eerie parallel with Zimbabwe, farms have been reclaimed by unqualified workers.
The police say don't fight back. You must fight. It's the bullet or be slaughtered
Commercial agricultural production has taken a massive hit where land reform has occurred. And as the
attacks on white farmers continue, the police seem increasingly powerless and ineff-ective, and farmers
are turning to vigilante behaviour as their way of life comes under violent assault.
The ANC government's response to this has been largely defiant. As Charles Ngacula, Safety and Security
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Minister under the previous administration of Thabo
Mbeki, said: 'They can continue to whinge until
they're blue in the face, be as negative as they want
to, or they can simply leave this country.'
Ida Nel is learning to shoot an AK-47 and a pistol on a
'farm protection weekend'. The course is being held
only 70 miles from the 2010 World Cup venue of
Polokwane. Ida is married to farmer Andre. They
farm guavas and macadamia nuts near Levubu in
Limpopo province.
Sonette Selzer a violinist, on her farm near
Ermelo. She is trained to use a variety of guns and
always carries a rifle over a shoulder and a pistol
on her belt
'I'm used to guns,' she says. 'My dad taught me how to
use one when I was a kid but I need to get confident
and to know what warning signs to look out for in a
farm attack.'
On the course with her are farmers, and their wives
and children. Among the children is 13-year-old
Barend Harris, the son of a vet, who brought his
family 9mm gun. Those taking part in the weekend
courses for about 50 people at a time learn to leopard-crawl with a gun and are taught self-defence (with
knives and guns), how to look for signs that their homes are being targeted, bush tracking and how to
shoot from a moving vehicle. They are given target practice with AK-47s, pistols, R4 and R5 assault rifles
and 308 hunting rifles.
Driving around Mpumalanga Province, east of Johannesburg, in what used to be the Transvaal, I found
myself called by the farmers to a string of grisly murder scenes. In some the blood was still drying on the
furniture or the street. In others, witnesses gave me accounts of killings involving rituals of extreme
brutality: of victims boiled alive, forced to kneel and shot execution style and tortured in ways so
unimaginable they are too horrendous to print. The same goes for the many pictures I have been shown of
the barely identifiable corpses and horrific crime scenes.
Sonette Selzer, who lives on a forestry holding with her husband Werner, has made sure that she and her
two boys are weapons-trained. At home in Mpumalanga province, Sonette, who is a trained medic, claims
she usually gardens with a pistol at her side and a rifle strapped to her back. She is fully armed as I arrive
- rather conveniently, I think.
'It's very tiring but even in the garden you have to be alert to what's happening around you all the time.
You can never, ever relax your guard,' she says.
When she hears of a man who got into a gunfight with three robbers she shakes her head: 'I'd hate to get
into that situation. You need to finish it quickly.'
She gestures to her vicious-looking Ninja knives and I realise the chilling intent behind her words - you
need to finish 'them' as quickly as possible.
She says she and Werner sleep in separate beds at either end of the house, with their guns and knives
within easy reach. Their children Francois, 18, and Jaques, 16, are at boarding school in the nearby town.
'When they were very small they learned how to use guns and how to reload,' Sonette says of her boys.
Each dawn and evening the Selzers check in on the VHF radio with other members of the Farm Watch
organisation, neighbours whom they find more reliable than the South African Police Service (SAPS). The
couple are heavily armed, but what good will that do them if a group of attackers assault the house in the
dead of night? The home is an ill-fortified outpost 40 minutes' drive from the nearest Farm Watch
neighbours or SAPS station that could respond in the event of an attack.
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'You must carry your gun and your Bible together at once,' says Werner Selzer.
And at the farmers' houses I visited, when grace was said at table, a semi-automatic rifle or pistol with
extra magazines was prominently on display. (Once again, it's hard to say if they are just placed there for
effect.)
Werner is adamant that only he can protect his family: 'The police say don't fight back. But you must fight
back. It's the bullet or be slaughtered. If you're going to rape my wife and kill my children you must
understand I have nothing to lose. But you can run away. And if I shoot back you will run away.'
Since the 19th century, Boer farmers were organised into farm militias known as Commandos. These
defended rural communities from assault and, just over a century ago, they formed the vanguard of the
rebellion against the hated British Empire.
'We kept the British busy until they killed our women and children in the concentration camps,' one man
told me. The two Boer wars were as much of a catastrophe in their minds as the crisis now facing them.
'The Afrikaner Boer doesn't like war but we will fight if we have to - and the Africans are scared of us.'
Such right-wing sentiments have done the Boers no favours under the ANC, which suspected them of links
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to white extremist groups such as the neo-fascist AWB. In recent years the government has moved to
disband the Commando units as part of a security plan to improve policing nationwide.
The Commandos had been accused of brutality towards black farm workers; indeed, there have been
reports of belligerence and abuse by white farmers, leading to a sense of reciprocity about some of the
recent attacks.
Danzel Van Zyl, a senior researcher at the Human Rights Commission, says: 'There is a feeling among black
people that many white people have not come to the party yet. Reconciliation has only come from one
side, and this is felt especially with regard to the farming communities. They are perceived to be
conservative, with a block of them voting right-wing and for parties like (the ultra-right wing) Freedom
Front Plus.
'Old ways still play out in a lot of rural South Africa, where you will see farmers keeping the seat next to
them in their truck for their dog, while workers sit in the back. A lot of farmers were killed by disgruntled
farm workers who had been maltreated by them.'
Even in the garden you have to be alert to what's happening around you
He adds: 'The increase in farm murders is also due to the removal of the Commando system. They were
notorious and feared by farm workers. But the problem is, nothing came in place of them.'
He insists there is no concerted political campaign to drive out white farmers; but all parties agree on one
thing: land ownership is the burning issue.
Twenty years after the end of apartheid, whites still
own about three-quarters of the country's
agricultural land. The ANC has sought to redistribute
land to black South Africans by legal means. In this it
has followed a radically different path to that of
Robert Mugabe in neighbouring Zimbabwe, where the
rule of law collapsed in the last decade as gangs of
state-sponsored thugs drove off 6,000 white
families.
The family of murdered farmer Nico Boonzaier at
his funeral
In Mpumalanga, black South Africans are lodging
hundreds of legal 'land claims' in which they must
prove their rights to property based on family
historical records. The land claims are adjudicated in court and, if successful, the state buys out white
farmers at what the property owners themselves told me was a fair price.
But as a tribe of farmers, the Boers are resisting the loss of their land because, they say, it spells the end
of a way of life for a community.
And this is what they claim has sparked bloody violence that they say is politically motivated all the way
to the top of the ANC. The TAU, or Transvaal Agricultural Union, draws a link between land claims and
attacks.
'When there is a farm claim I say "Look out!" because attacks may follow to scare the farmers,' says TAU
regional director Piet Kemp.
This after all is the country where the President, Jacob Zuma, used as his election campaign song an old
war chant from his days in the ANC's military wing, Mshini wami - 'Bring me my machine-gun'. And where
YouTube posts include footage of Mandela singing another song, 'Kill the Boer, Kill the Farmer'.
Mugabe may be a pariah across the world but in South Africa he has long been given standing ovations and
rapturous applause at ANC events.
Widow Tracey Pemberton is 41 but looks 20 years older and appears to be malnourished. She dreams of
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emigrating to the UK but her British husband died five years ago and she lives on a 200-hectare farm in a
ramshackle cottage. The area, set among huge forests of planted pine, is so dangerous that on the main
road outside Tracey's gate there are big signs that warn CRIME ALERT - NO STOPPING!
'I'm stupid to stay but I don't know where to go,' she says. 'It's awful to have to say "Who's that over there?
What's that noise?" I definitely want to go. Because you're a woman and alone they take advantage of you.
My husband had a British passport when he passed away. He'd had enough of struggling and failing in this
country...'
By the eve of the elections that brought Zuma to power earlier this year the family had already been
robbed six times over the years. Then one night Tracey was woken by noises from her mother Yvonne's
room. She found a man sitting on top of the 65-year-old woman. 'I can't get that picture out of my mind.'
Farmers learn rural survival techniques on the farm-attack prevention courses
The attacker stabbed her mother 17 times, but miraculously she survived. Sonette Selzer rushed to the
scene to help save her. But, insists Tracey, the harrassment continues. 'They switch on all the taps
outside in the middle of the night to try to persuade you to go outside.' And she thinks they climb about
on the roof, although it could be the branches from the oak tree brushing against the tiles.
My visit to Mpumalanga came immediately after crossing the frontier from Zimbabwe and what struck me
was how similar the landscapes were after redistribution had taken place. Once productive maize fields
now grow only weeds. Citrus orchards are dying, their valuable fruit rotting on the branches. Machinery
lies about rusting. Irrigation pipes have been looted and farm sheds are derelict and stripped of roofing.
Windbreak trees have been hacked down and roads are potholed.
Few of those being resettled on former white farms are qualified to work them. Commercial properties
are becoming slums where the poor live a hand-to-mouth existence in mud huts, surrounded by
subsistence patches of maize. Meanwhile, black workers are put out of their jobs without compensation.
'Now we are in big trouble,' says Messina, a black foreman at what was Figtree farm.
He says his employers had to sell, 'because their lives were in danger, definitely. This place is not safe any
more.'
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Messina says the land resettlement on his employers' property was orchestrated by black elite figures
from town, not people close to the land.
'If you look at them they are driving smart cars. They want to look big in their four-by-fours. They say
they will help us - but nothing. No job. We are su-ffering.'
For all South Africa's aims to be following the rule of law, there are comparisons here with Zimbabwe and
other calamitous reforms under the banner of 'Africa for the Africans'.
'I saw people with heads cut off-, horrible things,' says farmer Ockert van Niekerk as he sits his toddler
daughter on his lap at home.
Cops tracking cases lack experience. Dockets vanish and criminals get out
'The aim is to scare white people. The attacks are not just crimes. They're political. You don't wait for a
farmer for eight hours, kill him and steal a frozen chicken. In warfare you learn to soften the target, and
the aim is to break us mentally and spiritually.'
But he then tells, in alarming detail, how he would respond to an attacker: 'I will cut in seconds all the
main arteries: the neck, gut and groin.' He whips out two knives from either pocket. 'I feel quite safe with
these.'
What the farmers dub 'hit squads' are well armed with AK-47s, deploy in gangs and if they are ever
arrested they are allegedly found to be from outside the district - 'recruited', the farmers say, from cities
hundreds of kilometres away.
At a farmers' day, or Boerdag, in a marquee tent surrounded by maize harvesting machinery, I meet a
string of farmers with attack stories. One elderly man too scared to be identified tells me how a gang
broke in at five in the morning, tied him and his wife up, then got an angle grinder from the workshop and
sawed into the flesh of his legs with the blade, demanding, 'I want money! You must talk!'
One of the gang picked up the couple's mobile phone and inadvertently called their daughter, who then
had to endure hearing the robbery unfold in screams and shouts.
The more brutal and incredible the stories, the more doubt creeps in: are they over-egging this for
political impact? Are they perhaps deeply racist at heart? But then I remind myself: I have seen the
pictures and read the local newspaper reports. I've been to the funerals.
Two young men
suspected of being
involved in the murder
of a white farmer in the
North West province are
arrested
It is said that the signs
always lead down a road
to the farmstead:
bunches of long grass
knotted like corn dolls,
the strands of wire
fences twisted into cat's
cradle configurations,
and stones, tin cans and
plastic bags stacked in
circle and arrow patterns.
These 'attack signs', which can supposedly warn if trouble is coming to your farm, are a macabre coded
language. Farmers widely believe in their existence; they have been decoded by Special Forces veterans.
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At first I wondered if the 'attack signs' story was a result of mass hysteria. But the hairs on the back of my
neck stood rigid when I began to see what appeared to be sets of signs outside farms near where attacks
had already occurred.
Each sign is said to mean something: a forked stick signifies a woman in the house, the corn dolls map out
the farm buildings and signs dubbed 'triggers' are set to either 'off-' or 'on' - meaning 'attack'.
White farmers read these runes and arm themselves because they have nothing else. New police units
promised to substitute the old Commando system have yet to be formed. And people isolated on remote
properties are worried by the fact that licenses for their firearms are not being renewed.
As a South African Police Service (SAPS) officer, Derek Jonker investigated 52 separate farm attacks and
he says, 'There has been a decline in the abilities of the police. There is a power struggle in the police
and investigators are not qualified.
'Crime prevention has collapsed totally,' he adds. 'And cops tracking cases lack experience and resources
to gather evidence and arrest offenders. Dockets vanish and criminals get let out of jail.'
In the provincial town of Ermelo, I meet a policeman who's tired and angry. He says SAPS can't be
bothered to fight crime any more. Only four out of 16 police vehicles at the station are still in working
order. I ask what happens with the vehicles that are in working order. He shrugs and points across the
street to Ermelo's main supermarket. And there they are: four police prowlers parked in a row. The police
are inside doing their shopping while at a street corner crime scene that we've just come from, the blood
still glistens wetly in the sunshine.
And at that murder scene I met another police officer who dismisses the idea that the ANC was involved
in a conspiracy against white farmers. It is much worse than that for South Africa as a whole, 'It's worse
among the black people - all those rapes and killings,' he says. 'I feel sorry for these people. Everybody
suffers, not just white people.
'You can buy an AK for a bag of maize meal. This causes hatred between blacks and whites - and this is
boiling up to what? Every time it's very emotional because it's black against white, but you must think
with your head and not your heart.'
As we talk I'm looking at the blood on the ground. It's the policeman's brother-in-law who just got shot.
'The whole criminal system is a balls-up for white and black people,' he says. 'We just don't need this.'
South Africa's proposed new law and order plans include better policing for those urban areas expecting
visitors during the World Cup next year. It will be the most heavily policed World Cup in history, with
200,000 specially recruited officers and equipment ranging from surveillance cameras to water cannon.
But it will remain unnerving for those who travel that these brutal killings are happening within just a
couple of hours' drive.
Source: Daily Mail, UK
PC Canada vs. IRB & Huntley: How many SA Black on White Crimes are
Racially Motivated?
[http://why-we-are-white-refugees.blogspot.com/2009/10/pc-canada-vs-irb-huntley-how-many-sa.html]
SA Sucks [http://www.zasucks.com/?p=6151]
Your life is in danger
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I had an interesting, insightful yet highly disturbing morning.
Chatting to someone who prepares reports for our courts to assist the magistrate / judge in
sentencing criminals after they were found guilty. This person does around 20 plus of these
reports per month and does only murder, rape and robbery cases and has been in the game for
over fifteen years.
So anyway, there we were trading war stories and I was told of the horrific matters this person
deal with. Unfortunately, I cannot go into details as these may identify the person, something I
would not want to do. But let me assure you, I have read about some of these murders in the
papers. Certain details I was told were not published about the actual means used and the
extent of the brutality of these assaults.
I was told a few aspects of these mindless crimes which a couple of hours later still leaves me
very, very uncomfortable. And I don’t view myself as a shrinking violet either.
Mind blowing stuff. Needless to say, the vast majority of these crimes are black male on white
female rapes and subsequent murders. What these savage black animals do to the white women
are so unbelievably barbaric that I cannot find words sufficiently strong to express my total
abhorrence. And, of course, the actual grisly details are viewed as too graphic to publish in the
papers... Maybe so as not to upset their loved ones, and, I suspect, not to upset the general
public. Gotta keep whitey in the dark. Foreign objects up vaginas and rectums whilst still alive
are not uncommon, etc; etc. Get my drift?
So, then I pop the million dollar question.... Remember this person IS QUALIFIED to answer
the question...
In your opinion, how many of these rapes and murders have an anti-white racist element
to it?
Two second pause...thinking....
[Answer] More than eighty percent
Holy ****!!! I always knew there was at least some anti-white hate when these crimes were
committed, but the response stunned even me. More than eighty percent of violent white
murders by kaffirs have an underlying torture and kill the white motive? More than eighty
percent?!
I’m still shocked... Then I said
Do you reckon there is truth in the general
view that there is a low level white genocide
going on?
Answer: Yes.
I asked what the general attitude of these filth
were.
Answer: Usually a hate filled glare...
A while later I was chatting to a highly experienced
advocate who has been in the business a long time. Still
stunned I told him the story.
His response? “I think it is even higher.”
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We’ve often wondered out loud just why it is necessary to torture white women with boiling
water, cutting off their fingers, shoving objects into their body cavities, and so forth....and it is
not as if we have fancifully created these articles. They are always accompanied by verified
reports. Whilst the evidence has always been there, these straight answers really worry me
deeply.... Coupled with my story about the black kaffir cops raping the white woman below, it is
really worrying. Yet most whites prefer keeoing their heads in the sand.
This goes a long way to explaining why whites are killed for very little. A cell phone, a watch...
peanuts. And sometimes these savage bi-ped simians get away with nothing. So there you have
it. As we have said so many times before, your white skin will determine your future - or lack of
it.
How I wish Huntley’s lawyer would invite a few Arsezanian criminologists to Canada for the
appeal. Maybe a ballsy reporter would interview a couple of real life criminologists and publish
their views of the real world.
Have a look at the photos of these two white women who were murdered. I could have uploaded
more, like the white baby who was killed by burning, or the school boy who was hanged in his
school uniform, but I could not stomach any more. You can clearly see how they were tortured
before their deaths.
Oh, and just btw, more than ninety percent of these murders are NEVER solved. And Bra Zuma
rekons Bra Foolius Malema is going to be a great leader one day....
Mark my words folks, with all this anti-white, ANC sanctioned hate speech and rhetoric, be sure
of many more brutal white killings to come.
Oh God....!!! Please, please, please - warn your loved ones to watch their backs at all times. Fire
your maids and your gardeners. It is a fact that they give your personal info to these savages.
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Photo Gallery (Added to Doodler’s post by Lone Wolf)
The images below are extremely disturbing. If you don’t have the stomach DO NOT
SCROLL DOWN. We’ve posted disturbing images before but nothing like this.
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Some were emailed to me by an anonymous police detective and depict the extreme,
brutal violence with which White men,
women and children are murdered. After
weeks of much anguished consideration I
decided to publish a small selection of the
horror show I was subjected to. I have
many more but couldn’t stomach viewing
the 50 odd images he sent me, or to open
them and place strips over the victims
eyes.
I apologise in advance for upsetting
anyone, including the families of these
victims. This is the reality of South Africa
2009. Not a nice place to live any more,
like you have no ****ing idea.
This woman was hijacked, abducted,
raped, stabbed 45 times in chest, 30 stab
wounds in back. Body was found in
Dieps
loot
squat
ter
camp
.
House invasion: Raped, tortured, murdered by impalement with broomstick. The top
section of the broom was sharpened before insertion and rammed right through,
exiting near the neck.
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Farm murder: stabbed to death after which the black criminals raped her corpse
Farm murder: Raped, murdered and disembowelled
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Farm murder: Hacked to death with panga or meat cleaver. Note defensive wounds
Farm Murder: Slashed and stabbed to death, raped
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House robbery: child bludgeoned to death, parents murdered
Farm murder: child beaten, strangled to death. Note broken nose, concussed eyes
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House robbery: couple shot to death
House robbery: Raped, stabbed, tortured, hacked to death
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Farm murder: shot to death execution style
80 year old woman tortured, raped, disembowelled with
broken bottles rammed up her anus & vagina
Farm murder: murdered, partially disembowelled and body
hung upside down in cooler room
Is the ‘TRC’ (sic) S.A. Government and media denying S.A.’s access to the crime statistics and details;
of racially motivated black on white crime; which affect white minorities safety and security?
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Avro, please please please send me your email adrdress, i want to send you the photos that go with the above article.
 
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