Source of Consciousness

Cliffy

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If you spend all of your life focused on an electron, you will miss the big picture.

What does string theory have to do with the multiverse? How does a conscious electron manage to be in more than one place at the same time?

I think we will find that the universe, or multiverse, has evolved with the evolution of our own thought processes, that the complexity of the multivers is directly connected to our capacity to comprehend such complexity.

Try that on for size!
 

socratus

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Book: What is your dangerous idea?
/ Edited by John Brockman /
Article:
Seeing Darwin in the light of Einstein;
Seeing Einstein in the light of Darwin.
/ by Lee Smolin. /
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Seeing Einstein in the light of Darwin suggests that
natural selection could act not only on living things
but on the properties defining the various species
of elementary particles.
/ Page 115 /
We physicists have now to understand Darwin’s lesson:
The only way to understand how one out of a vast number
of choices was made, which favors improbable structure,
is that is the result of evolution by natural selection.
/ Page 117 /
Now the only possible way of accounting for the laws of nature,
and for uniformity in general, is to suppose them results of evolution.
/ Page 117 /
And I believe that once this is achieved, Einstein and Darwin
will be understood as partners in the greatest revolution
yet in science, . . .
/ Page 118 /

/ Lee Smolin. /
http://www.leesmolin.com/
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Questions.
1
On which biological level is it possible to use phrase:
Darwinian natural selection, Darwin’s evolution ?
2
On which biological level does consciousness appear ?.
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darkbeaver

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longitudinal force?

Smolin is a Big Banger that means, conclusively, that he deals exclusively with really bad fiction that passes in the consumer market as cutting edge science all the while being the worst rubbish ever considered in this and the last century. Spin the wheel, play celebrity science guy, win a bag of unicorn dung.
 

Cliffy

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Is a thought a wave, a particle or both like a photon?
Yes. Reality is what you think it is.

At one time, people believed in unicorns and to some degree unicorns were in their reality, so were dragons.
For the same reason, Satan is alive and well in Christianity today. In societies where Satan has never been introduced, it doesn't exist.

Human thought and belief has evolved (or devolved, depending on your perspective). Our reality is very different than the reality of those living in the dark ages or in the caves because our thought processes are different. They change and morph over time. A thousand years from now, the Earth will be a very different place because we will either be able to comprehend more complex principles or we will have eliminated ourselves from the landscape because we could not evolve further.
 

darkbeaver

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I have plenty of thoughts on this issue, but let's take it one step at a time.

Pretend you had no memory.

Would you still be "conscious"?

I don't have to pretend all the time now. Ya the memory what about that stuff eh. Where is it kept? The head seems like a bad place. Why not the arse? Isn't carrying fat storing a memory anyway?
 

socratus

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Try using QM to explain the "conscious *of* " feature.
I say it's doomed from the start, since consciousness
will always lie outside or beyond its object.
/ Kalkidas /
QM and consciousness may have some deep connection, but it
would take some truly funky mathematics to capture the relation.

/ Craig Franck /
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1
We have brushes, paints, canvas - they are tools.
The picture is not created by the paint and brush.
It is result of idea, information, consciousness.
The idea of painting is lie outside or beyond its object.
2
We have atoms, complex atoms.
From them were created everything.
The idea (consciousness) of creating cell, molecules
of DNA, body must lie outside or beyond its object too.
3
Where in the Universe we can find the world which
lie outside or beyond the visual material world?
The Universe as whole is Two - Measured World:
one Reference Frame is the Matter World
and another Reference Frame is the Vacuum World.
But today physicists know the Matter world and refuse to think
and understand the Vacuum world because the Vacuum is
Infinite and Eternal continuum.
Why do physicists refuse to take vacuum as a fundament of Universe?
Book : ‘Dreams of a final theory’ by Steven Weinberg. Page 138.
‘ It is true . . . there is such a thing as absolute zero; we cannot
reach temperatures below absolute zero not because we are not
sufficiently clever but because temperatures below absolute zero
simple have no meaning.’
/ Steven Weinberg. The Nobel Prize in Physics 1979 /
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We are surrounded by Double Universe.
Quantum Theory says about wave–particle duality.
Our brain works on dualistic basis:
(as a logical consciousness and as an illogical (?) unconsciousness)
There are another kinds of dualities: matter and field,
matter and energy / force, body and mind / consciousness .
We are surrounded by the duality.
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Socratus.
 

Cliffy

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Most people are lucky if they only have a dual personality. Most, like the Universe, are actually multi. If you have ever had a serious head injury, you will have possibly experienced reality shifts corresponding to shifts in consciousness associated with damaged wiring in the brain. Nerves and brain cells can rejuvenate but nerves can rewire themselves wrong. For instance, when I get a mosquito bite on my back it itches on my chest (right upper quadrant only) caused by sudden impact and sever nerve damage. At that time I also sustained sever head trauma that scramble parts of my brain. I went through nearly twenty years of shifting in and out of what most people call reality. I discovered that reality is far more subjective than objective, that is it subject to conscious observation, that different states of consciousness can create different realities. Reality became very fluid instead of solid. The ramifications of such experiences turns scientific and religious thought inside out and life takes on dimensions that most people could not handle. I learned to consciously change realities that were frightening into pleasant ones just by changing my mind.

So, anyway, until science can be that fluid, it will never understand how reality actually works and all their theories will remain just theories. Reality is not solid so it can only be measured by someone who chooses to be in the the same state as the object being measured. Now, there is a concept to wrap your minds around.