Solar panels. Useless or the future?

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Great.

Til then, you are saddled with the same problems mentioned earlier, making these goals something that may have potential once those issues are resolved

They are all pretty much resolved. We are really just in the refining phase now.
 

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What about just opening your eyes?

Look at today"s batteries compared to just a few years ago. Battery powered tools used to be a joke - they have now all but replaced corded tools.

Is that progress?

Will progress continue? Of course it will. Science and technology are advancing at a rate that has never been seen before. The computer has changed everything.
 

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Got it. You're going with Li ion batteries as the revolutionary tech that will save Mother Gaia.

Maybe you didn't get the memo, but that tech has been around for quite some time.

Anywho, looks like your individual-power-generation-per-building-and-limitless-electricity-storage-capacity dream remains just a fantasy
 

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What about just opening your eyes?

Look at today"s batteries compared to just a few years ago. Battery powered tools used to be a joke - they have now all but replaced corded tools.

Is that progress?

Will progress continue? Of course it will. Science and technology are advancing at a rate that has never been seen before. The computer has changed everything.


It perfectly shows that investment in a technology can be made because people will buy the new tools. Technology advances need baby steps and a market willing to support and buy the product at every baby steps allong the way as construction tools have.

Technology advances at a fast pace, but it never has in leaps and bounds. We must still realize that it has advanced only by baby steps every time. And only if it has a market buying it every step of the way.

Here is where a electric car battery or a house battery has found its Waterloo. The need to be top notch batteries right from the beginning. And it has no way of slowly refining itself because its competitors the gas car already has ironed out all the kinks and bugs.
 
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What about just opening your eyes?

Look at today"s batteries compared to just a few years ago. Battery powered tools used to be a joke - they have now all but replaced corded tools.

Is that progress?

Will progress continue? Of course it will. Science and technology are advancing at a rate that has never been seen before. The computer has changed everything.

The oil-drinkers believe that technology and and engineering advance in every field except non-fossil energy.
 

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The oil-drinkers believe that technology and and engineering advance in every field except non-fossil energy.

Perhaps you can give me a simple reference that will point me in the direction of this ultra-secret tech that will revolutionize the globe in the next 17 days.

I anxiously await your input.

Sincerely,

Dilithium crystals from Start Trek don't actually exist
 

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We just understand that technology need baby steps and a market that supports and buy it every step of the way

Funnier still is the reality that the do-gooders that talk the talk about this magical tech being out there, can't even type a word or 2 that would provide folks like me a starting point to read/research.

... In the meantime, their very existence is predicated on having oil readily available at a moment's notice.

Always good for a hearty laugh
 

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Perhaps you can give me a simple reference that will point me in the direction of this ultra-secret tech that will revolutionize the globe in the next 17 days.

I anxiously await your input.

Sincerely,

Dilithium crystals from Start Trek don't actually exist

Perhaps you can give me a simple reference to any technology that has not advanced in efficiency, ever. Even the simplest ones, as in:



to:

 

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No really! I get it now... All that potential stored energy in a compound bow will easily power an EV if not a city block of hi rise apartments.

Now I can close the books on the individual-power-generation-per-building-and-limitless-electricity-storage-capacity hurdle.... I'll put a check in the saving Mother Gaia box with this wee gem
 

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No really! I get it now... All that potential stored energy in a compound bow will easily power an EV if not a city block of hi rise apartments.

Now I can close the books on the individual-power-generation-per-building-and-limitless-electricity-storage-capacity hurdle.... I'll put a check in the saving Mother Gaia box with this wee gem

No, save the money. You'll need it, given your talents as a comedian. And your one-foot-nailed-to-the-floor dancing.

Your basic principle is that solar cells and electric vehicle technology cannot advance. Which is laughable to anyone with the faintest notion of scientific history. t\That's the funny part. Your attempts to dance and deflect are just kinda sad.
 

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No, save the money. You'll need it, given your talents as a comedian. And your one-foot-nailed-to-the-floor dancing.

Funny, it doesn't feel like my foot's nailed to the floor.

Your basic principle is that solar cells and electric vehicle technology cannot advance. Which is laughable to anyone with the faintest notion of scientific history. t\That's the funny part. Your attempts to dance and deflect are just kinda sad.

You are the one that made a number of poor assumption(s), specifically that my position does not allow for tech advance. All along i have said (repeatedly) that it isn't a question of if, but a question of when.

I have pushed Hoid to recognize some of the present hurdles facing the commercial, the phasing-out of hydrocarbons and full scale implementation of electricity as a parallel replacement ~ he/she simply refuses as he/she has demonstrated their fanatically baseless adoption of a theoretical ideal that, in it's present form, can not provide anywhere near the scope and services that he/she is claiming exists.

That said, ya might wanna rethink that assessment of where your pathos might be better applied
 

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Got it. You're going with Li ion batteries as the revolutionary tech that will save Mother Gaia.

Maybe you didn't get the memo, but that tech has been around for quite some time.

Anywho, looks like your individual-power-generation-per-building-and-limitless-electricity-storage-capacity dream remains just a fantasy


Lithium ion batteries combined with brushless motors. It is the two advances that have revolutionized power tools.

And yes small power generation is the future. For some that has always been fantasy but for others its just a matter of science.

The entire theory of generating massive amounts of power and sending it places is inherently flawed and will obviously die its normal death.
 

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We've already talked about, or at least I have.

The brushless motor will do nothing in the area of power storage and the Li ion batteries, while advanced, are not advanced enough wherein one could reasonably depend on their consistency and functionality for anything other than an inner city commuter.

in a world that depends on mass transport of goods over significant distances, elevations and various climates, the EVs will not suffice and this is a direct expression of the battery tech not currently being advanced enough.

Sources of power generation and baseload requirements is another discussion entirely
 

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We've already talked about, or at least I have.

The brushless motor will do nothing in the area of power storage and the Li ion batteries, while advanced, are not advanced enough wherein one could reasonably depend on their consistency and functionality for anything other than an inner city commuter.

This could be a conversation in 1910 about why cars will never replace horses.

IT will happen. If it makes you more comfortable to imagine that it will take generations to happen then that's fine.

Personally I doubt gas powered vehicles will survive much more than 20 years - and that is being generous.
 

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This could be a conversation in 1910 about why cars will never replace horses.

IT will happen. If it makes you more comfortable to imagine that it will take generations to happen then that's fine.

Personally I doubt gas powered vehicles will survive much more than 20 years - and that is being generous.

It very well may happen and there is absolutely nothing wrong with it. Its just not happening right now, or the next 5 years