Socialists in a Panic

[AnnaG]

Oh yes we can and do pollute the air.

How high a concentration are you talking about? If you go high enough, anything can harm, even oxygen can be toxic. But the little bit of CO2 that's currently in the atmosphere? Not to worry.

Perhaps it isn't that harmful right now but according to people that monitor it, the concentration is climbing and it's almost doubled in the last 200 years.


RealClimate: The Acid Ocean – the Other Problem with CO2 Emission

So even if the stuff doesn't affect the climate that much, it (along with SO2 and other pollutants) sure as heck affects the oceans.

I'm old enough to remember the 60s. We weren't near that bad.

Right. I've seen pics of LA's air on a bad day. Or how about Mexico City these now?

 

[Avro]

Well then you should have no trouble explaining it to the rest of us. Come now, no more excuses.

Uh, no. I would explain why you shouldn't.

I already have an excuse, just like I explained before, I'm not a climatologist nor involved in any related sciences. So it's a bit difficult for me to debate the science of it since I'm not an expert and won't try and pretend to be one either.

Seems to me your argument isn't based on climate but based on whether or not modeling is accurate. It's a red herring.

Now, unless you can convince me otherwise I'll stick to what was explained to me by real people. So, show me your research, or any papers you have written on the subject of AGW. If you would like I will give you my email and you can forward them there.

Let me know.

 

[Avro]

I love a good steak. Keep them dogies fartin'.

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5% of the methane is produced from "farts". The other 95% comes from the mouth.

 

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5% of the methane is produced from "farts". The other 95% comes from the mouth.

International politics is about diplomacy which includes body odors.

 

[Avro]

International politics is about diplomacy which includes body odors.

What?

It would be really cool if you could make some sense, just once.

 

[Kakato]

This [cooling] trend will reduce agricultural productivity for the rest of the century.
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—Peter Gwynne, Newsweek 1976

There are ominous signs that the earth’s weather patterns have begun to change dramatically and that these changes may portend a drastic decline in food production—with serious political implications for just about every nation on earth. The drop in food production could begin quite soon… The evidence in support of these predictions has now begun to accumulate so massively that meteorologist are hard-pressed to keep up with it.
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—Newsweek, April 28, (1975)

This cooling has already killed hundreds of thousands of people. If it continues and no strong action is taken, it will cause world famine, world chaos and world war, and this could all come about before the year 2000.
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—Lowell Ponte in “The Cooling”, 1976

If present trends continue, the world will be about four degrees colder for the global mean temperature in 1990, but eleven degrees colder by the year 2000. … This is about twice what it would take to put us in an ice age.
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—Kenneth E.F. Watt on air pollution and global cooling, Earth Day (1970)

 

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What?

It would be really cool if you could make some sense, just once.

How about you making sense once!?

 

[Avro]

This [cooling] trend will reduce agricultural productivity for the rest of the century.
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—Peter Gwynne, Newsweek 1976

There are ominous signs that the earth’s weather patterns have begun to change dramatically and that these changes may portend a drastic decline in food production—with serious political implications for just about every nation on earth. The drop in food production could begin quite soon… The evidence in support of these predictions has now begun to accumulate so massively that meteorologist are hard-pressed to keep up with it.
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—Newsweek, April 28, (1975)

This cooling has already killed hundreds of thousands of people. If it continues and no strong action is taken, it will cause world famine, world chaos and world war, and this could all come about before the year 2000.
​

—Lowell Ponte in “The Cooling”, 1976

If present trends continue, the world will be about four degrees colder for the global mean temperature in 1990, but eleven degrees colder by the year 2000. … This is about twice what it would take to put us in an ice age.
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—Kenneth E.F. Watt on air pollution and global cooling, Earth Day (1970)

Nice try....there was no scientific consensous on Global cooling.

 

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Nice try....there was no scientific consensous on Global cooling.

There is a thread on this topic in the science section.

 

[Kakato]

Nice try....there was no scientific consensous on Global cooling.

we will have another ice age,then it will get tropical,then another ice age.
Sedimentary rocks dont lie(pardon the pun).

You cant fight mother nature but the environment is big bussiness today,if you follow most alarmist stuff on global cooling/warming you will allways find theres a dollar involved or a research grant.

Unfortunately nutbars like Gore and peeps that think the polar bears are drowning take the seriousness away from real environmental problems like pollution and keeping our fresh water fresh.

 

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we will have another ice age,then it will get tropical,then another ice age.
Sedimentary rocks dont lie(pardon the pun).

You cant fight mother nature but the environment is big bussiness today,if you follow most alarmist stuff on global cooling/warming you will allways find theres a dollar involved or a research grant.

Unfortunately nutbars like Gore and peeps that think the polar bears are drowning take the seriousness away from real environmental problems like pollution and keeping our fresh water fresh.

Sedimentary rocks lead to much bigger business than the environment.

 

[Avro]

we will have another ice age,then it will get tropical,then another ice age.
Sedimentary rocks dont lie(pardon the pun).

You cant fight mother nature but the environment is big bussiness today,if you follow most alarmist stuff on global cooling/warming you will allways find theres a dollar involved or a research grant.

Unfortunately nutbars like Gore and peeps that think the polar bears are drowning take the seriousness away from real environmental problems like pollution and keeping our fresh water fresh.

No alarm bells were rung about global cooling....read the link I provided.

It comes down to this, you either believe in the science or you don't.

I do.

....and any reduction in the amount of greenhouse gases we produce will lower pollution, so it's not being ignored.

 

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we will have another ice age,then it will get tropical,then another ice age.
Sedimentary rocks dont lie(pardon the pun).

First, rocks don't predict the future at all.

 

[Kakato]

Sedimentary rocks lead to much bigger business than the environment.

They are also like tree rings leaving a very detailed record of every season for millions of years,meteor impacts,volcanic eruptions,it's all in the layers.

 

[Kakato]

First, rocks don't predict the future at all.

They show the past and right to the present,theres a saying about what happens when you ignore history.

 

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They are also like tree rings leaving a very detailed record of every season for millions of years,meteor impacts,volcanic eruptions,it's all in the layers.

Cutting trees lead also to much bigger business than environmental science.

 

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They show the past and right to the present,theres a saying about what happens when you ignore history.

Geologic periods are not history at all.

 

[Kakato]

Cutting trees lead also to much bigger business than environmental science.

Not in my neck of the rocky mountains,since we shut down all 3 sawmills we let the forests burn instead.(lost creek fire,Alta-Kelowna fire B.C.)

 

[Kakato]

Geologic periods are not history at all.

I can show you eruptions from mt st. Helens from way before any of us were here and I can find it in allmost any exposed sedimentary rock face,thats history,Stringers in coal seams are from extreme dust storms,some lasting thousands of years,radiation levels show meteor impacts,thats history.

Im talking sedimentary layers,not geo periods.

 

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Not in my neck of the rocky mountains,since we shut down all 3 sawmills we let the forests burn instead.(lost creek fire,Alta-Kelowna fire B.C.)

Global issues are not local issues.