Socialists in a Panic

[L Gilbert]

Utter rubbish! Manmade signal is virtually undetectable except for the effects of the Asian Brown Cloud or urban heat islands.

More rubbish. We have no idea what all is involved with climate or nature, so that obviously means we have no idea how we affect it.

 

[L Gilbert]

And no ice, then where do the marine mammals go to rest? That would be on land, where they can't move near as fast as the polar bear (which spends the vast majority of its time on land anyway.)

You sure need a education on marine mammals. Polar bears main prey is seal. Seal can survive weeks at sea under the ice surfacing at blowholes periodically. If they use land they are never far from shore and there is no brush, forest, etc. around for big white things to sneak up on unsuspecting seal. A few hops to the water and seal is gone and polar bear is still yards away from shore.

 

[big]

The better idea would be to quit trying to dominate nature (or at least quit messing with it) until we know how without hurting ourselves.

It is our comfort that is hurting all our neighbors globally.

 

[L Gilbert]

I can't believe you're serious. Please explain to me why a serious scientist would discard actual evidence and then try to build a case using fraud.

I don't think she mentioned anything about a serious scientists. You did. Perhaps you should ask Michael Mann that question. Anna has her Bach in Anthropology. She is a serious scientist, has a stiff set of principles, and probably does not understand why any scientist would do such a thing except for money. I imagine there are a variety of reasons. Why do people commit murder? Profit, revenge, sometimes for fun, etc. I can't see scientists reasons being any different.

You sure got that right.

That's 'cause he has a political agenda he's promoting under the guise of environmentalism.

Suzuki wants to be PM or premiere? Why? He's famous, makes plaenty of dough, is pretty influental, etc.

Yes and no. It is as simple as radiation from the sun, volcanic activity, and other natural sources. But they aren't simple.

That is an opinion on one side. Nothing's been proven one way or the other.

You certainly gave the distinct impression that you believed global warming was the cause of the beetle infestation. If you hadn't I wouldn't have had to go to all that trouble to explain how temperature wasn't likely a factor at all.

If you look back, she did not say beetle infestation was directly caused by warming. You leaped to the assumption that's what she said. I am pretty sure nature is a bit more complicated than what you can grasp. Something seemingly minor over at one end of an ecology can have an indirect effect on something at another part which has an indirect effect in yet another part. Besides that, something affecting one area may not show up immediately. The simple fact is that humans do things that nature can cope with, given time, but humans are impatient. If people introduce a rapid overabundance of CO2 into the atmosphere that when the same occurrence hasn't been there since before man, man is the variable and high concentrations of CO2 in the atmosphere with lots of humans around is unique and the effects are unknown.

Good for you!:thumbleft: I'd like to do the same but electric doesn't work all that well in -30 and it's cheaper to just keep burning gas.

Funny that the Electrohauls at Brenda Mines used to operate year round, sometimes in temps below -40.

 

[L Gilbert]

Depends on what's being modeled. In the case of climate it's quite clear. The output is a forecast, a projection, a prediction. It isn't evidence.

Unless one plugs historical data into the model and comes up with a result that copies the original result.

Really? 8O You must have a very unusual hammer. The output of my hammer is force, energy transfer to the nail.

The evidence of the use of the tool would be the nailhead sitting flush with the board, right?:roll:
The direct evidence of the use of firearms was the dead wolves in Colorado. The indirect evidence of the use of firearms was that there were no young deciduous trees lasting to maturity. The middle factor was what we call caribou. They ate every new deciduous shoot in sight.

 

[L Gilbert]

Oh man I can't wait to see what Dex might respond with, if he even bothers- I might not agree with him politically but the guy sort of knows a few things about stuff

big is simply saying he sticks his nose into scientific stuff out of curiosity. I really doubt he/she actually has a field of study. He's like me, except I can chat at length about stuff and he can only deliver vague or obscure one liners.

Extrafire- I like how you use the tactic of posting several times in a row to drown out opposition, why can't you just put all your "thoughts" in one post, your "style" gives the impression that you have the attention span of a squirrel

I do that, as well. When one isn't posting everyday, one has quite a few replies to reply to.

 

[Dexter Sinister]

If you’d know science, you’d know there is only one.

Exactly the sort of evasive and non-specific answer I expected, and what it tells me is that you're not a scientist in anyone's mind but your own.

 

[L Gilbert]

It is our comfort that is hurting all our neighbors globally.

If all you can do is spew these silly little one liners without actually discussing anything, there's no point in paying attention to you.

 

[big]

I don't think she mentioned anything about a serious scientists. You did. Perhaps you should ask Michael Mann that question. Anna has her Bach in Anthropology.

If you would have a M.Sc. like me, you would know that it spells Bacc.

 

[lone wolf]

All this education and all you write is fortune cookie filler?

 

[big]

All this education and all you write is fortune cookie filler?

I write for you.

 

[Tonington]

If you would have a M.Sc. like me, you would know that it spells Bacc.

Only if you're using Latin spelling, and you definitely do not need a graduate degree to know that.

Exactly what degrees do you hold anyways? A master degree in what?

 

[lone wolf]

I write for you.

Good.... I'll be waiting. uh ... something at better than a Grade Three level, eh?

 

[big]

Only if you're using Latin spelling, and you definitely do not need a graduate degree to know that.

You're confusing necessary and sufficient conditions.

 

[Tonington]

You're confusing necessary and sufficient conditions.

You're imposing them!

You add nothing but noise to these discussions.

 

[L Gilbert]

I bet he/she has a master's degree in vinyl/latex exploration:

 

[big]

Only if you're using Latin spelling, and you definitely do not need a graduate degree to know that.

You definitely need to find at least one graduate student who doesn't know that rather.

 

[L Gilbert]

Anyway, Considering the topic again: I think it is only wishful thinking that socialists are in a panic.

As the biggest environmental meeting in history opens in Copenhagen, the scientific case for a global agreement to fight man-made climate change remains overwhelming. The furore over alleged data manipulation, following the theft of e-mails from the University of East Anglia, has stirred up the sceptics (and shaken some scientists) but Climategate does not alter the real issue – that, despite many uncertainties, the risks of catastrophic change justify decisive global action to cut carbon emissions.

FT.com / Comment / Editorial - Copenhagen: we can’t risk failure

 

[big]

Anyway, Considering the topic again: I think it is only wishful thinking that socialists are in a panic.

Anyway, Obama is a US Democrat, not a socialist at all.

 

[L Gilbert]

Anyway, Obama is a US Democrat, not a socialist at all.

It's only wishful thinking that there is a panic over the email scandal. You want to nitpick more, find someone else to nitpick at, bug.