Socialism Is the Only Way
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gerryh
You want to go at it with bluntness. OK.
Your mom has cookies in the jar and they are up hight out of your reach. I used the blunt word, "beg." So you don't beg, you say, "please mom can I have a cookies."
That is not as blunt is it.
You want a job, so you go to a capitalist whose cookie jar has, instead of cookies, the tools and machines of production. When I say beg, that is blunt, but also symbolic. You
don't demand that you are qualified for the job and if the capitalist doesn't hire you, you will hoof it the next one or the next one after that, and so on. You are so damned independent, like being free as a bird, so there Mr. Capitalist. I can just picutre you at a job interview.
Of course the capitalist has a hireling doing the interview for him while he is out playing a round of golf or whatever.
To be clear, I am not talking about an entrepreneur running a cottage industry. I am taking about the big guns that own over 95 per cent of the industry. The ones that gobble up the small fry and spit out the portions that don't make the maximum profit making cut. That is what drives the economy. The rest is a paltry fringe.
A caveat: Please don't dredge up an exception to the rule which occurs frequently in past comment. Like: A hundred men go hunting for one deer in a large woods. When the day is over, one of them comes out with a dear and says, "see I got one; if you guys had put your mind to it, you could of got one too."
Don
You want to go at it with bluntness. OK.
Your mom has cookies in the jar and they are up hight out of your reach. I used the blunt word, "beg." So you don't beg, you say, "please mom can I have a cookies."
That is not as blunt is it.
You want a job, so you go to a capitalist whose cookie jar has, instead of cookies, the tools and machines of production. When I say beg, that is blunt, but also symbolic. You
don't demand that you are qualified for the job and if the capitalist doesn't hire you, you will hoof it the next one or the next one after that, and so on. You are so damned independent, like being free as a bird, so there Mr. Capitalist. I can just picutre you at a job interview.
Of course the capitalist has a hireling doing the interview for him while he is out playing a round of golf or whatever.
To be clear, I am not talking about an entrepreneur running a cottage industry. I am taking about the big guns that own over 95 per cent of the industry. The ones that gobble up the small fry and spit out the portions that don't make the maximum profit making cut. That is what drives the economy. The rest is a paltry fringe.
A caveat: Please don't dredge up an exception to the rule which occurs frequently in past comment. Like: A hundred men go hunting for one deer in a large woods. When the day is over, one of them comes out with a dear and says, "see I got one; if you guys had put your mind to it, you could of got one too."
Don
gerryh
Here is an update for you and some of the other recent commentators.
My name is Donald J. Donaker
I belong to a union.
The union name is Real Union Of Social Science
The web sit URL is:
Good Night.
http://socialismmarxdeleonforarealunion.org/index.html
Here is an update for you and some of the other recent commentators.
My name is Donald J. Donaker
I belong to a union.
The union name is Real Union Of Social Science
The web sit URL is:
Good Night.
http://socialismmarxdeleonforarealunion.org/index.html
Come back when YOU grow up and have stopped whining like a suck ass baby about the big bad capitalists.
I've worked for the big boys, and I've worked for the little guys...and I've done it on MY terms.
Thank you.
You have left no doubt to me or anyone else who cares about respectability of what you are about.
Don
I enjoyed the game, it showed the very talented individuals playing in the NHL right now.
I know exactly what to expect from this game, and this year it was better than usual.
Henrik had a good game, setting others up all over the place, as he usually does.
I was hoping for Nash to win MVP, but didn't happen, doesn't matter. The skills competition was fun, loved the last event, and it should be even better next year.
Ovetchkin is a 'ham' and so good for the league as well as Kovalchuk and there are so
many young talented players out there right now, the league is just going to get
better and better. If people are expecting hitting, and a all out competitive game as
they might see during league play, they should 'not' watch, as it is never like that, and
never will be, the game isn't for 'us', it is for the players and the kids, autographs,
all the stars in one place, and lots of 'fun' for everyone who is 'at' the game.
'Interesting thread Kreskin', thanks.
I know exactly what to expect from this game, and this year it was better than usual.
Henrik had a good game, setting others up all over the place, as he usually does.
I was hoping for Nash to win MVP, but didn't happen, doesn't matter. The skills competition was fun, loved the last event, and it should be even better next year.
Ovetchkin is a 'ham' and so good for the league as well as Kovalchuk and there are so
many young talented players out there right now, the league is just going to get
better and better. If people are expecting hitting, and a all out competitive game as
they might see during league play, they should 'not' watch, as it is never like that, and
never will be, the game isn't for 'us', it is for the players and the kids, autographs,
all the stars in one place, and lots of 'fun' for everyone who is 'at' the game.
'Interesting thread Kreskin', thanks.
Actually thats not how it is at all. Perhaps if you have a skill that is oversupplied. But in my case it is usually (depending on recent events more like this
I sit at home and the phone rings, a "Capitalist" is calling because he desperately needs my labour. My labour IS the means of production in his case and regardless of how many capital items he has, he can't run them without me. I will usually tell the Capitalist my wage, which is usually pretty substantive and often higher than his. I will then set out my terms, usually in the form of being an independant contractor with a fixed length term so I can claim things to write off and he can't.
If you are symbollically begging for a job, its because you don't have anything in high demand, to offer in return for you want from them.
Get more education, the government subsidizes 3/4's of it and if you have need will cover the other 1/4+ as well. Lots of people manage to work their way through school to be retrained.
In my comment dated, January 27, 2008 at 10:12 PM, I posted a link to the web site of the union that I belong to.
Shortly there will be a link posted on that site to this thread on Canadian Content. It will prove to be an illuminating study on why the labor movement is effectively defunct going into the 21st Century.
The reaction any seriously discerning worker will get from the comments is a reminder of the well known saying, "We Have Met The Enemy and He Is Us." I qualify that by acknowledging that there are a few exceptions in the thread--not all is lost yet. For that I am grateful.
I venture to say that all the comments come from members of the working class. I cannot picture in my mind that any full fledged capitalist would give a fleeting thought about posting a comment there--most likely devoting every spare moment in the enjoyment of the impossible task of expending the exorbitant profits accumulated.
Don
Shortly there will be a link posted on that site to this thread on Canadian Content. It will prove to be an illuminating study on why the labor movement is effectively defunct going into the 21st Century.
The reaction any seriously discerning worker will get from the comments is a reminder of the well known saying, "We Have Met The Enemy and He Is Us." I qualify that by acknowledging that there are a few exceptions in the thread--not all is lost yet. For that I am grateful.
I venture to say that all the comments come from members of the working class. I cannot picture in my mind that any full fledged capitalist would give a fleeting thought about posting a comment there--most likely devoting every spare moment in the enjoyment of the impossible task of expending the exorbitant profits accumulated.
Don
Hey Kreskin, if you understood the world you would have two choices, anger or apathy, you've made your decision and I'v made mine. Mine will result in action yours will result in stagnation and decay.
In any case my reply to gerry was in no way angry or bitter, if you cannot discern between the sarcasm and the anger it ain't my problem.
It is a good point in my attack on socialists in that Pinochet being all things but anti-democratic like socialist's heros like Castro.
Your knowledge of socialism is worse.
Glad to see you think our armed forces are a joke and I also suppose you mock those that have died and will die for Canada.
Be ashamed in the Dark of his Moms basement.:roll:
Our armed forces? You better check up on who's war they're fighting Avro and then get back to me.
I found this particualr post while surfing the internet the other night. It was this particular forum that made me decide to join this site. Your arguments on this particular subject has provided me with a much needed education. Thanks guys.
[FONT=Times, Times New Roman]The problem with socialism is that it has no rational way of determining the economic value of resources for least-cost methods of production. Only when people are free to mutually trade with one another thorough privately held property over the means of production will markets emerge and competitive prices. It is simply counter productive to interfere in the market and does not benefit people more but benefits them considerably less. Time and time again it has been shown that government interference within the market place upsets the delicate and complex balance it is. The government cannot satisfy man simply because man is far too complex and it would be impossible for any force other than an individual's own that is capable of logical thought to be able to satisfy his needs. Having people acting to their own needs to satisfy themselves is far more efficient than trying to have an outside force try and manage every man's needs for him. The end result of their satisfaction is irrelevant but man only acts towards satisfaction. So in the economic sense which many individual's have failed to grasp is man will only trade with each other if the arrangement he feels will better himself. As long as both sides are not coerced into the matter then both leave the table satisfied. That is why the best path towards equality and fairness is that of individualism and the liberalisation of the government and economy.
[/FONT] [FONT=Times, Times New Roman]I personally have no issue with socialists or people who wish to assuage themselves by submitting their will to that of slavery as long as they do so voluntarily without any forced action [/FONT][FONT=Times, Times New Roman](That technically would not be slavery though)[/FONT][FONT=Times, Times New Roman]. The [/FONT]predicament[FONT=Times, Times New Roman] with many socialists is they want to force their [/FONT]erroneous [FONT=Times, Times New Roman]theories onto others and command them to embrace their misguided practices. This issue is not just affiliated with socialism but it is the [/FONT]dilemma[FONT=Times, Times New Roman] found[/FONT] predominantly [FONT=Times, Times New Roman]with most governments. [/FONT]
Hey, you ain't seen nothin'. I've pwned these socialists so many times, its gotten boring.
Now, where's my Screaming Eagle cabernet?
Toro
Marxian social science declares that one of the elements of socialism is the absense of a political state. As Sherlock would say to Watson, "That is elementary."
You have failed to come up with one country that you claim to be socialism, or has been, without a political state.
One of your ilk, on this thread protested, that I was labeling when I mentioned that all the bashers of socialism had strange bedfellows such as Stalin, Mao, Hitler and Mussolini (some had the termerity to envoke Penochet in support of their bashing of socialism). In every case, these tyrants conjured up caricatures of socialism with the retention of the political state. You, "Member of the Illuminati", and the rest of the ilk, conjure in that assessemt.
One of the hocus pocus methods, used by the ruling class in manipulation of the public on certain concepts, is to errect a "straw man" and proceed to demolish it. With the erroneous task completed, as expected, the public continues on in its merry way.
The United States ruling class demonlished the "straw man," socialism.
The irony with the United States is that it didn't need to concoct a "straw man." Conveniently, the Stalinist did it for the US. From thence came the cold war, where each side, with its particular form of political state, wailed away at each other with the consequent loss of millions of lives and maiming of millions more. Parenthetically, the United States was much more willing to sacrifice the lives of its own people than the Soviet Union was. At the time, to the Soviet Union, it was called the cold war, and that is what the United States called it, but as far as American soldiers were concerned, it was a hot war in Korea and Vietnam.
It is elemental, the proposition of socialism has no political state. Eat the straw from your "straw man." If nothing else, that might illuminate the "Illuminati"
Don
Marxian social science declares that one of the elements of socialism is the absense of a political state. As Sherlock would say to Watson, "That is elementary."
You have failed to come up with one country that you claim to be socialism, or has been, without a political state.
One of your ilk, on this thread protested, that I was labeling when I mentioned that all the bashers of socialism had strange bedfellows such as Stalin, Mao, Hitler and Mussolini (some had the termerity to envoke Penochet in support of their bashing of socialism). In every case, these tyrants conjured up caricatures of socialism with the retention of the political state. You, "Member of the Illuminati", and the rest of the ilk, conjure in that assessemt.
One of the hocus pocus methods, used by the ruling class in manipulation of the public on certain concepts, is to errect a "straw man" and proceed to demolish it. With the erroneous task completed, as expected, the public continues on in its merry way.
The United States ruling class demonlished the "straw man," socialism.
The irony with the United States is that it didn't need to concoct a "straw man." Conveniently, the Stalinist did it for the US. From thence came the cold war, where each side, with its particular form of political state, wailed away at each other with the consequent loss of millions of lives and maiming of millions more. Parenthetically, the United States was much more willing to sacrifice the lives of its own people than the Soviet Union was. At the time, to the Soviet Union, it was called the cold war, and that is what the United States called it, but as far as American soldiers were concerned, it was a hot war in Korea and Vietnam.
It is elemental, the proposition of socialism has no political state. Eat the straw from your "straw man." If nothing else, that might illuminate the "Illuminati"
Don