Socialism Destroying America

Daz_Hockey

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And I think you clearly have the wrong impression of what capitalism is. The argument you are putting forward is a straw man, irrelavent in the modern world, or of anything that exists today. Its like arguing that we shouldn't have any social programs or public education because, if we do, we'll all become godless communists and the state will expropriate your house, your property, your daughters, etc.

Who the heck argues that government should have absolutely no involvement in society? No one. I don't hear many people arguing that the police should be privately run, that the army should be privately run, that the courts should be privately run, that all roads should be privately run, that all education should be privately run, etc.

To say that the US has "no safety net" is an outright fabrication. Over half the US federal budget goes to social programs. Now, you can argue that there should be more social spending, but to use the US as a representative of "capitalism" because there is "no social net" is not a serious argument that should be dismissed out of hand.

As for using Katrina as another example because there is racism towards the poor blacks, well, perhaps you should have also travelled through south Florida when Andrew ripped through this state, devastating Florida, and leaving thousands of white people without homes. It took years for that part of the state to recover. It was worse than New Orleans. To say that New Orleans is a "failure" of capitalism completely misunderstands what capitalism is, and, again, should be dismissed out of hand. New Orleans is a failure of society, not a socio-economic structure.

Perhaps I should have. But healthcare and a economic safety net for the poor and sick are pretty big things CDNBear and Toro. Many people say that Britain virtually died in a socialist pit...well, you also know we were very much like you, we were probably the biggest capitalists of them all..but you know what?

We realised there HAD to be a balance somewhere and there are certain socialist ideals that fit very nicely into a capitalist country...I just think many countries would do well to incorporate them.
 

Curiosity

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Daz

There are many local, regional, state and federal programs to assist those in poverty for whatever reason.... and the U.S. supports a large majority of people from Mexico and other Latino countries who are in the U.S. illegally and who cannot pay their own education or health care as well.

I don't know where you are getting your information but it isn't accurate.

If the U.S. were to function as an isolated nation taking care of its own, the poverty would be eraced entirely. We just cannot keep supporting every nation who calls...

You haven't mentioned how many private megamillionaires also send money privately to other nations.... they don't even bother giving to the poor here because they are being taken care of.
 

Daz_Hockey

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Daz

There are many local, regional, state and federal programs to assist those in poverty for whatever reason.... and the U.S. supports a large majority of people from Mexico and other Latino countries who are in the U.S. illegally and who cannot pay their own education or health care as well.

I don't know where you are getting your information but it isn't accurate.

If the U.S. were to function as an isolated nation taking care of its own, the poverty would be eraced entirely. We just cannot keep supporting every nation who calls...

You haven't mentioned how many private megamillionaires also send money privately to other nations.... they don't even bother giving to the poor here because they are being taken care of.

what that Britain was once the biggest capitalist of them all?..or that it was dying in a pit of socialism?

as Marlon Brando said "these are undeniable facts"...I also agree with you on that point, Britain is facing the same problem with the European union, now that it's expanded and we've got millions of Poles who've entered quite legally and use the healthcare system and welfare that their country just doesnt have.

but the question is...the welfare benefits given to the poor....are they repayable?
 

Zzarchov

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@ Toro

Im not talking about the notion of Social Democracy, that tends to be done as a form of "Moral obligations"

Many social programs are done because its good economic sense, it saves more money than it costs. Basically a nationwide HR department. There is a reason business work out benefits packages.
 

darkbeaver

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Daz

There are many local, regional, state and federal programs to assist those in poverty for whatever reason.... and the U.S. supports a large majority of people from Mexico and other Latino countries who are in the U.S. illegally and who cannot pay their own education or health care as well.

I don't know where you are getting your information but it isn't accurate.

If the U.S. were to function as an isolated nation taking care of its own, the poverty would be eraced entirely. We just cannot keep supporting every nation who calls...

You haven't mentioned how many private megamillionaires also send money privately to other nations.... they don't even bother giving to the poor here because they are being taken care of.

I can't remember where you live, sometimes it sounds like a movie.Could you provide us the list of countrys now recieving US support and the private millionaires.:smile:
 

darkbeaver

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I have never advocated for the elimination of capitalist pig-dogs, only that they submit to socialist masters and wear a leash hereafter. Some people on wall-street have recently begun muttering about regulations being something to look into. Socialism delivers the goods and services without haveing to pay capitalist pig-dogs to count beans and gamble all day.
 

Said1

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I have never advocated for the elimination of capitalist pig-dogs, only that they submit to socialist masters and wear a leash hereafter. Some people on wall-street have recently begun muttering about regulations being something to look into. Socialism delivers the goods and services without haveing to pay capitalist pig-dogs to count beans and gamble all day.

Of course. The capitalist pig dogs have to pay the socialists.
 

darkbeaver

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Of course. The capitalist pig dogs have to pay the socialists.

I see we will have to do battle. Capitalists pig-dogs only pay capitalist pig-dogs. Just because you and Fidel have unresolved issues, why must you judge other more attentive socialist poorly, even unrepentant capitalist babes like you can get soup and sandwhiches at the eye clinic while your haveing your previously owned glasses fitted.:smile:
 

Said1

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I see we will have to do battle. Capitalists pig-dogs only pay capitalist pig-dogs. Just because you and Fidel have unresolved issues, why must you judge other more attentive socialist poorly, even unrepentant capitalist babes like you can get soup and sandwhiches at the eye clinic while your haveing your previously owned glasses fitted.:smile:

I have no issues with fildel, but how did you now I'm a regular at the eye institute? As for the pig-dogs, they pay their taxes. LOL.
 

darkbeaver

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I have no issues with fildel, but how did you now I'm a regular at the eye institute? As for the pig-dogs, they pay their taxes. LOL.

Let's have a look at thier tax records then. This is not going to be much of a battle if the old pig-dogs pay taxes tune is all you got.You said you hated Castro , I just assumed it was his beard or something, or the guns and drinking or the stink of cigars .What did he do to you.:smile:
 

gopher

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westmanguy said:
FYI: Socialism, in a scewed version, is a far-left, far-liberal value!

Support all citizens with monthly paychecks, health, ensure employment, the gov.does this and that and takes over every aspect of our lives...

Bush is a far right socialist who gives billions in welfare to the wealthy. Reliefs, incentives, abatements, subsidies, et al are welfare, too, except it is exclusively for the wealthy.
 

china

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CDNBear :
Somewhere in the middle of capitalism vs socialism, there must be some even ground.

Yes , there is an even ground . In Capitalistic system ,people take advantage of other people. In Socialism , it's the other way around.
 

s243a

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CDNBear :
Somewhere in the middle of capitalism vs socialism, there must be some even ground.

Yes , there is an even ground . In Capitalistic system ,people take advantage of other people. In Socialism , it's the other way around.

How about in a socialist system the government takes advantage of everyone.