So The Race Begins

[talloola]

I agree totaly with you an the point about " Lets run em out of town" but there are so many pubic order rules about now days that we the people would be gunned down in the streets by the military or the police the only way that i can see any change is to have some sort of boycott in which the whole world took part but of what i don't know as we in Britain tried to do it with petrol (gasoline) but in my mind not enough people were committed to it and even though it did cause some minor disruption and the government did decrease the value of petrol ( for about 2 seconds no in reality it did work for a bit then they hiked up the price again) the trouble we us over here there is no backbone in people any more to take a stand or to dissent.!!!!!

You are right of course, as all of us who 'just' want to live in peace, arent' driven by power and aren't violantly aggressive, and don't want to dictate to others how to run
their lives, and we don't want to take their land. BUT, something has to change as we
being the masses, seem to be satisfied to sit back and allow these people to slowly destroy our world. In the private sector, it is a crime to behave in those ways, and those
criminals are rounded up, put on trial, and stored away in jails, and the leaders who are
finding ways to get to the top of the heap, are doing the same thing, and we can't do
anything, because of their position in the country. The Charles Mansons of the world, and others aren't much different than the leaders I'm talking about,as he had his sucky and dumb followers, and so do the violant leaders who kill by the thousands, only the leaders are willing, to publicly murdur hundreds of thousands of people, in the name of 'whatever',
self defence, religion, etc., which is a pile of horse dung. Sadamm Hussein did it in Iraq,
he was booted out, and George Bush took over, and it is now worse. In the Suddan, crazy
people are allowed to murdur and rape in huge numbers.
I guess there are many bad people in the world, but there has to be a way to stop them
from becoming leaders of the masses.

The united nations should gradually become 'huge', supported by the masses, not leaders
of countries, but people who will monitor those leaders, and prevent genocide, wars, and other insane moves that will eventually destroy our world. There should be a gigantic
'WORLD' army, who work together to make sure that countries leaders do not abuse their own people or other countries.

 

[quandary121]

You are right of course, as all of us who 'just' want to live in peace, arent' driven by power and aren't violantly aggressive, and don't want to dictate to others how to run
their lives, and we don't want to take their land. BUT, something has to change as we
being the masses, seem to be satisfied to sit back and allow these people to slowly destroy our world. In the private sector, it is a crime to behave in those ways, and those
criminals are rounded up, put on trial, and stored away in jails, and the leaders who are
finding ways to get to the top of the heap, are doing the same thing, and we can't do
anything, because of their position in the country. The Charles Mansons of the world, and others aren't much different than the leaders I'm talking about,as he had his sucky and dumb followers, and so do the violant leaders who kill by the thousands, only the leaders are willing, to publicly murdur hundreds of thousands of people, in the name of 'whatever',
self defence, religion, etc., which is a pile of horse dung. Sadamm Hussein did it in Iraq,
he was booted out, and George Bush took over, and it is now worse. In the Suddan, crazy
people are allowed to murdur and rape in huge numbers.
I guess there are many bad people in the world, but there has to be a way to stop them
from becoming leaders of the masses.

The united nations should gradually become 'huge', supported by the masses, not leaders
of countries, but people who will monitor those leaders, and prevent genocide, wars, and other insane moves that will eventually destroy our world. There should be a gigantic
'WORLD' army, who work together to make sure that countries leaders do not abuse their own people or other countries.

talloola as we speak more and more of our laws that were put there to protect us are being taken away or changed to accommodate there ideas of a NWO and by the time the masses realise this it will inevitably be to late they are making laws in your country now that will make you a internet terrorist just because you decide to make a valid point on what you see going on aroud you take a look at this video i watched last week

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[talloola]

A gradual formation of a WORLD army/organization to oversee and monitor the behavior
of countries leaders with each other, and put a stop to any leader threatening another
could benefit all of us.
The 'WORLD ARMY' should be the only SUPER power in the world, in regards to weapons.

 

[quandary121]

A gradual formation of a WORLD army/organization to oversee and monitor the behavior
of countries leaders with each other, and put a stop to any leader threatening another
could benefit all of us.
The 'WORLD ARMY' should be the only SUPER power in the world, in regards to weapons.

H.R. 1955 would direct the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) to establish a university-based Center of Excellence for the Study of Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism in the United States. The bill also would establish a commission to investigate the causes of terrorist acts committed by persons raised or living in the United States and would require DHS to prepare reports on..

they are out to stop us talking to one another and making it law now!!!!
if they can police the internet this is the first step

 

[quandary121]

Rep. Bennie Thompson [D-MS]:

Madam Speaker, I move to suspend the rules and pass the bill (H.R. 1955) to prevent homegrown terrorism, and for other purposes, as amended.
The Clerk read the title of the bill.
The text of the bill is as follows:
Quick Info
H.R. 1955: Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act of 2007
Last Action: Received in the Senate and Read twice and referred to the Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs.
Status: Passed House (Bipartisan support.)

H.R. 1955
Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,<p>   SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.<p>    This Act may be cited as the "Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act of 2007".<p>   SEC. 2. PREVENTION OF VIOLENT RADICALIZATION AND HOMEGROWN TERRORISM.<p>    (a) In General.--Title VIII of the Homeland Security Act of 2002 (6 U.S.C. 361 et seq.) is amended by adding at the end the following new subtitle:
"Subtitle J--Prevention of Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism
"SEC. 899A. DEFINITIONS.<p>    "For purposes of this subtitle:<p>    "(1) COMMISSION.--The term `Commission' means the National Commission on the Prevention of Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism established under section 899C.<p>    "(2) VIOLENT RADICALIZATION.--The term `violent radicalization' means the process of adopting or promoting an extremist belief system for the purpose of facilitating ideologically based violence to advance political, religious, or social change.<p>    "(3) HOMEGROWN TERRORISM.--The term `homegrown terrorism' means the use, planned use, or threatened use, of force or violence by a group or individual born, raised, or based and operating primarily within the United States or any possession of the United States to intimidate or coerce the United States government, the civilian population of the United States, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives.<p>    "(4) IDEOLOGICALLY BASED VIOLENCE.--The term `ideologically based violence' means the use, planned use, or threatened use of force or violence by a group or individual to promote the group or individual's political, religious, or social beliefs.<p>   "SEC. 899B. FINDINGS.<p>    "The Congress finds the following:<p>    "(1) The development and implementation of methods and processes that can be utilized to prevent violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence in the United States is critical to combating domestic terrorism.<p>    "(2) The promotion of violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence exists in the United States and poses a threat to homeland security.<p>    "(3) The Internet has aided in facilitating violent radicalization, ideologically based violence, and the homegrown terrorism process in the United States by providing access to broad and constant streams of terrorist-related propaganda to United States citizens.<p>    "(4) While the United States must continue its vigilant efforts to combat international terrorism, it must also strengthen efforts to combat the threat posed by homegrown terrorists based and operating within the United States.<p>    "(5) Understanding the motivational factors that lead to violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence is a vital step toward eradicating these threats in the United States.<p>    "(6) Preventing the potential rise of self radicalized, unaffiliated terrorists domestically cannot be easily accomplished solely through traditional Federal intelligence or law enforcement efforts, and can benefit from the incorporation of State and local efforts.<p>    "(7) Individuals prone to violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence span all races, ethnicities, and religious beliefs, and individuals should not be targeted based solely on race, ethnicity, or religion.<p>    "(8) Any measure taken to prevent violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence and homegrown terrorism in the United States should not violate the constitutional rights, civil rights, or civil liberties of United States citizens or lawful permanent residents.<p>    "(9) Certain governments, including the United Kingdom, Canada, and Australia have significant experience with homegrown terrorism and the United States can benefit from lessons learned by those nations.<p>   "SEC. 899C. NATIONAL COMMISSION ON THE PREVENTION OF VIOLENT RADICALIZATION AND IDEOLOGICALLY BASED VIOLENCE.<p>    "(a) Establishment.--There is established within the legislative branch of the Government the National Commission on the Prevention of Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism.<p>    "(b) Purpose.--The purposes of the Commission are the following:
"(1) Examine and report upon the facts and causes of violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence in the United States, including United States connections to non-United States persons and networks, violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence in prison, individual or `lone wolf' violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence, and other faces of the phenomena of violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence that the Commission considers important.<p>    "(2) Build upon and bring together the work of other entities and avoid unnecessary duplication, by reviewing the findings, conclusions, and recommendations of--<p>    "(A) the Center of Excellence established or designated under section 899D, and other academic work, as appropriate;<p>    "(B) Federal, State, local, or tribal studies of, reviews of, and experiences with violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence; and<p>    "(C) foreign government studies of, reviews of, and experiences with violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence.<p>    "(c) Composition of Commission.--The Commission shall be composed of 10 members appointed for the life of the Commission, of whom--<p>    "(1) one member shall be appointed by the President from among officers or employees of the executive branch and private citizens of the United States;<p>    "(2) one member shall be appointed by the Secretary;<p>    "(3) one member shall be appointed by the majority leader of the Senate;<p>    "(4) one member shall be appointed by the minority leader of the Senate;<p>    "(5) one member shall be appointed by the Speaker of the House of Representatives;<p>    "(6) one member shall be appointed by the minority leader of the House of Representatives;<p>    "(7) one member shall be appointed by the Chairman of the Committee on Homeland Security of the House of Representatives;<p>    "(8) one member shall be appointed by the ranking minority member of the Committee on Homeland Security of the House of Representatives;<p>    "(9) one member shall be appointed by the Chairman of the Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs of the Senate; and<p>    "(10) one member shall be appointed by the ranking minority member of the Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs of the Senate.<p>    "(d) Chair and Vice Chair.--The Commission shall elect a Chair and a Vice Chair from among its members.
"(e) Qualifications.--Individuals shall be selected for appointment to the Commission solely on the basis of their professional qualifications, achievements, public stature, experience, and expertise in relevant fields, including, but not limited to, behavioral science, constitutional law, corrections, counterterrorism, cultural anthropology, education, information technology, intelligence, juvenile justice, local law enforcement, organized crime, Islam and other world religions, sociology, or terrorism.<p>    "(f) Deadline for Appointment.--All members of the Commission shall be appointed no later than 60 days after the date of enactment of this subtitle.
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"(A) IN GENERAL.--The Commission may request directly from any executive department, bureau, agency, board, commission, office, independent establishment, or instrumentality of the Government, information, suggestions, estimates, and statistics for the purposes of this section. The head of each such department, bureau, agency, board, commission, office, independent establishment, or instrumentality shall, to the extent practicable and authorized by law, furnish such information, suggestions, estimates, and statistics directly to the Commission, upon request made by the Chair of the Commission, by the chair of any subcommittee created by a majority of the Commission, or by any member designated by a majority of the Commission.<p>    "(B) RECEIPT, HANDLING, STORAGE, AND DISSEMINATION.--The Committee and its staff shall receive, handle, store, and disseminate information in a manner consistent with the operative statutes, regulations, and Executive orders that govern the handling, storage, and dissemination of such information at the department, bureau, agency, board, commission, office, independent establishment, or instrumentality that responds to the request.<p>    "(j) Assistance From Federal Agencies.--<p>    "(1) GENERAL SERVICES ADMINISTRATION.--The Administrator of General Services shall provide to the Commission on a reimbursable basis administrative support and other services for the performance of the Commission's functions.<p>    "(2) OTHER DEPARTMENTS AND AGENCIES.--In addition to the assistance required under paragraph (1), departments and agencies of the United States may provide to the Commission such services, funds, facilities, and staff as they may determine advisable and as may be authorized by law.<p>    "(k) Postal Services.--The Commission may use the United States mails in the same manner and under the same conditions as departments and agencies of the United States.<p>    "(l) Nonapplicability of Federal Advisory Committee Act.--The Federal Advisory Committee Act (5 U.S.C. App.) shall not apply to the Commission.<p>    "(m) Public Meetings.--<p>    "(1) IN GENERAL.--The Commission shall hold public hearings and meetings to the extent appropriate.<p>    "(2) PROTECTION OF INFORMATION.--Any public hearings of the Commission shall be conducted in a manner consistent with the protection of information provided to or developed for or by the Commission as required by any applicable statute, regulation, or Executive order including subsection (i)(2)(B).<p>    " Staff of Commission.--
"(1) APPOINTMENT AND COMPENSATION.--The Chair of the Commission, in consultation with the Vice Chair and in accordance with rules adopted by the Commission, may appoint and fix the compensation of a staff director and such other personnel as may be necessary to enable the Commission to carry out its functions, without regard to the provisions of title 5, United States Code, governing appointments in the competitive service, and without regard to the provisions of chapter 51 and subchapter III of chapter 53 of such title relating to classification and General Schedule pay rates, except that no rate of pay fixed under this subsection may exceed the maximum rate of pay for GS-15 under the General Schedule.<p>    "(2) STAFF EXPERTISE.--Individuals shall be selected for appointment as staff of the Commission on the basis of their expertise in one or more of the fields referred to in subsection (e).<p>    "(3) PERSONNEL AS FEDERAL EMPLOYEES.--<p>    "(A) IN GENERAL.--The executive director and any employees of the Commission shall be employees under section 2105 of title 5, United States Code, for purposes of chapters 63, 81, 83, 84, 85, 87, 89, and 90 of that title.<p>    "(B) MEMBERS OF COMMISSION.--Subparagraph (A) shall not be construed to apply to members of the Commission.<p>    "(4) DETAILEES.--Any Federal Government employee may be detailed to the Commission without reimbursement from the Commission, and during such detail shall retain the rights, status, and privileges of his or her regular employment without interruption.<p>    "(5) CONSULTANT SERVICES.--The Commission may procure the services of experts and consultants in accordance with section 3109 of title 5, United States Code, but at rates not to exceed the daily rate paid a person occupying a position at level IV of the Executive Schedule under section 5315 of title 5, United States Code.<p>    "(6) EMPHASIS ON SECURITY CLEARANCES.--The Commission shall make it a priority to hire as employees and retain as contractors and detailees individuals otherwise authorized by this section who have active security clearances.<p>    "(o) Commission Personnel Matters.--<p>    "(1) COMPENSATION OF MEMBERS.--Each member of the Commission who is not an employee of the government shall be compensated at a rate not to exceed the daily equivalent of the annual rate of basic pay in effect for a position at level IV of the Executive Schedule under section 5315 of title 5, United States Code, for each day during which that member is engaged in the actual performance of the duties of the Commission.<p>    "(2) TRAVEL EXPENSES.--While away from their homes or regular places of business in the performance of services for the Commission, members of the Commission shall be allowed travel expenses, including per diem in lieu of subsistence, at rates authorized for employees of agencies under subchapter I of chapter 57 of title 5, United States Code, while away from their homes or regular places of business in the performance of services for the Commission.<p>    "(3) TRAVEL ON ARMED FORCES CONVEYANCES.--Members and personnel of the Commission may travel on aircraft, vehicles, or other conveyances of the Armed Forces of the United States when such travel is necessary in the performance of a duty of the Commission, unless the cost of commercial transportation is less expensive.<p>    "(4) TREATMENT OF SERVICE FOR PURPOSES OF RETIREMENT BENEFITS.--A member of the Commission who is an annuitant otherwise covered by section 8344 or 8468 of title 5, United States Code, by reason of membership on the Commission shall not be subject to the provisions of such section with respect to membership on the Commission.<p>    "(5) VACANCIES.--A vacancy on the Commission shall not affect its powers and shall be filled in the manner in which the original appointment was made. The appointment of the replacement member shall be made not later than 60 days after the date on which the vacancy occurs.<p>    "(p) Security Clearances.--The heads of appropriate departments and agencies of the executive branch shall cooperate with the Commission to expeditiously provide Commission members and staff with appropriate security clearances to the extent possible under applicable procedures and requirements.<p>    "(q) Reports.--
"(1) FINAL REPORT.--Not later than 18 months after the date on which the Commission first meets, the Commission shall submit to the President and Congress a final report of its findings and conclusions, legislative recommendations for immediate and long-term countermeasures to violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence, and measures that can be taken to prevent violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence from developing and spreading within the United States, and any final recommendations for any additional grant programs to support these purposes. The report may also be accompanied by a classified annex.<p>    "(2) INTERIM REPORTS.--The Commission shall submit to the President and Congress--<p>    "(A) by not later than 6 months after the date on which the Commission first meets, a first interim report on--<p>    "(i) its findings and conclusions and legislative recommendations for the purposes described in paragraph (1); and<p>    "(ii) its recommendations on the feasibility of a grant program established and administered by the Secretary for the purpose of preventing, disrupting, and mitigating the effects of violent radicalization, homegrown terrorism, and ideologically based violence and, if such a program is feasible, recommendations on how grant funds should be used and administered; and<p>    "(B) by not later than 6 months after the date on which the Commission submits the interim report under subparagraph (A), a second interim report on such matters.<p>    "(3) INDIVIDUAL OR DISSENTING VIEWS.--Each member of the Commission may include in each report under this subsection the individual additional or dissenting views of the member.<p>    "(4) PUBLIC AVAILABILITY.--The Commission shall release a public version of each report required under this subsection.<p>    "(r) Availability of Funding.--Amounts made available to the Commission to carry out this section shall remain available until the earlier of the expenditure of the amounts or the termination of the Commission.<p>    "(s) Termination of Commission.--The Commission shall terminate 30 days after the date on which the Commission submits its final report.<p>   "SEC. 899D. CENTER OF EXCELLENCE FOR THE STUDY OF VIOLENT RADICALIZATION AND HOMEGROWN TERRORISM IN THE UNITED STATES.
"(a) Establishment.--The Secretary of Homeland Security shall establish or designate a university-based Center of Excellence for the Study of Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism in the United States (hereinafter referred to as `Center') following the merit-review processes and procedures and other limitations that have been previously established for selecting and supporting University Programs Centers of Excellence. The Center shall assist Federal, State, local and tribal homeland security officials through training, education, and research in preventing violent radicalization and homegrown terrorism in the United States. In carrying out this section, the Secretary may choose to either create a new Center designed exclusively
"(c) Auditing Mechanism.--The Civil Rights and Civil Liberties Officer of the Department of Homeland Security shall develop and implement an auditing mechanism to ensure that compliance with this subtitle does not violate the constitutional rights, civil rights, or civil liberties of any racial, ethnic, or religious group, and shall include the results of audits under such mechanism in its annual report to Congress required under section 705.".<p>    (b) Clerical Amendment.--The table of contents in section 1(b) of such Act is amended by inserting at the end of the items relating to title VIII the following:
"Subtitle J--Prevention of Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism
"Sec..899A..Definitions.<p>   "Sec..899B..Findings.<p>   "Sec..899C..National Commission on the Prevention of Violent Radicalization and Ideologically Based Violence.<p>   "Sec..899D..Center of Excellence for the Study of Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism in the United States.<p>   "Sec..899E..Preventing violent radicalization and homegrown terrorism through international cooperative efforts.
"Sec..899F..Protecting civil rights and civil liberties while preventing ideologically based violence and homegrown terrorism.

 

[talloola]

H.R. 1955 would direct the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) to establish a university-based Center of Excellence for the Study of Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism in the United States. The bill also would establish a commission to investigate the causes of terrorist acts committed by persons raised or living in the United States and would require DHS to prepare reports on..

they are out to stop us talking to one another and making it law now!!!!
if they can police the internet this is the first step

The worse the neo cons become, and act more like dictators, the more democrats will
step forward, for the good, and the vote of every citizen can make a difference, the
vote still has power, and the bad guys can be voted 'out'.

 

[quandary121]

The worse the neo cons become, and act more like dictators, the more democrats will
step forward, for the good, and the vote of every citizen can make a difference, the
vote still has power, and the bad guys can be voted 'out'.

talloola once marshal law has been declared there wont be any voteing

 

[talloola]

talloola once marshal law has been declared there wont be any voteing

I don't believe that will happen. The people would not stand by and accept marshall law.
It isn't Pakistan, etc. There would be huge backlash. The u.s. constitution would be upheld.
Whatever I'm missing in the long articles above, I will 'just' have to miss, as I wont take
the time to do all of that reading, sorry.

 

[quandary121]

I don't believe that will happen. The people would not stand by and accept marshall law.
It isn't Pakistan, etc. There would be huge backlash. The u.s. constitution would be upheld.
Whatever I'm missing in the long articles above, I will 'just' have to miss, as I wont take
the time to do all of that reading, sorry.

Official government documentation outlining how the US Government will handle the US population on a grand scale. This is not a hoax.

Here is the OFFICIAL US GOVERNMENT EXECUTIVE ORDER found in this video in a PDF that will surely get your attention.

http://www.army.mil/usapa/epubs/pdf/r...

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Here are a couple more interesting links.
http://www.populistamerica.com/americ...


And lastly this Google link:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=...

((THIS IS NOT A HOAX)))

Any month now, you, your family, and anyone else who lives in Canada, the United States or Mexico may soon be subject to marshal law to make way for the NWO. CNN, Fox News, CBS News, ABC News, C-Span, The Washington Post, The New York Times, etc. have all reported or covered the coming issues at hand in depth.

The scope of what is about to go down is so huge and complex that the majority of North American Citizens are mostly unaware of the fact that Canada, the United States and Mexico are about to become one country under the NWO, under the North American Union Act of 2005.




Major news agencies are also painfully aware of the Top Secret Plans for the US Constitution To Be Suspended at some point when the time calls for it under the code name, REX-84.

Are you aware of it? Neither was most of congress!

The United States (NWO) understands that potentially 10's of millions will pickup arms over the forced changed upon its people; especially if and when they should lose their current constitution.

The Concentration Camps are to be used to address unruly people; those who pickup arms, and to deal with the sudden migration of tens of millions of Mexicans from the south from America dropping its borders, which will further exacerbate things in North America.

A real concern that the NWO has is that North America could turn into a civil war unlike anything ever seen in written history. Thus once again, the need for all of the NWO Run Concentration Camps in the current United States.

Today hundreds of Army Run Concentration Camps for Civilians have been set up throughout North America beside railroads to to help forge the way for the NWO. The NWO has also ordered thousands of specially made prison trains made to ship hundreds of thousands of people at a time to these US/NWO Concentration Camps.


This is what we have come to understand.

(1) It is theorized by many, that something bigger than the World Trade Tower event most likely will go down to put all this into motion between 2008-12 A possible exact date will be 9.11.12

(2) Canada, United States and Mexico join together as one nation under the NWO.

(3) The US constitution is suspended.

(4) The American dollar is no more and is replaced with the Amero.

(5) A new law of the land is introduced under the NWO which will one day soon apply world wide.

(6) The rights that men and women died for that most take for granted today will be replaced by a set of universal NWO laws.

(7) Resistance from anyone who fights the NWO will be placed in concentrations camps.

(8) RFID chip required by every north American citizen; eventually everyone in the world within 1 to 5 years.

(9) An international ultra wide 18 to 24 lane super highway will run down from Canada, through the middle of the United States deep into Mexico. (see video)

The videos found here will get you off on the right foot to seeing that this plan goes way back in history. The final plans are now all in place, and will be set into motion no later than 9.11.2012

REMEMBER THIS IS NOT A HOAX OR A CULT
If you are a service man, understand what you are about to be asked to do against your own fellow man is immoral. The lives of your family and friends will be changed forever.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=0kf_n35-ZgY

 

[earth_as_one]

I also don't believe the above will happen. Certainly Canadians wouldn't go along with that. I'm talking about our leaders as well as the average person. Quebecers barely want unity with the rest of Canada, let alone the US.

I hear talk occasionally of unifying US and Canadian currencies, but given the current fiscal irresponsibility of the US government, that would be bad for Canada. For more than a decade, Canada has maintained budget surpluses and we are paying down our down debt. Our economy is more resource based than the US. Yes many industries have moved off shore hurting mostly Ontario and Quebec, but resources (oil, gold, nickel...) are booming in the rest of Canada. Overall Canada is not spiralling into a recession. Central Canada is becoming poorer, but western and eastern Canada are becoming wealthier.

In order for q's scenario to unfold, a massive economic/political crisis would have to happen first. I see no sign of that happening. The US is in a mild recession brought about by the sub-prime mortgage debacle.

Even though the US is currently running up huge deficits, their public debt as percentage of gross domestic product is better than many countries including Canada.

Check out #2, 27, 31 and 61

http://www.answers.com/topic/list-of-countries-by-public-debt?cat=travel

The US still has a long way to go before it becomes like Japan. Current US fiscal irresponsibility is a problem in the longterm, not the short term.

Back on track. Any comments about the nuclear arms race?

 

[MikeyDB]

What's behind investing in weapons technology? If estimates of the nuclear arsenals of the United States and Russia are even close to accurate...what's the point in Mutually Assurred Destruction that sits like some inviting plum on the horizon of governments wish lists?

Particle beam weapons and microwave weapons and UAVs and war-manifesting as video game is all around us....why?

Because it's easier to destroy everything than it is to face the challenge of working through differences and meeting accomodations and reaching compromise. It's the immediate gratification syndrome taken to the lofty heights of "government"....

This "race" began in the caves millions of years ago...the bigger club the better bow the most devastating bomb..... Humanity has not evolved beyond his most primitive self-awareness and perhaps never will.....

 

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Iran Nuke Plans Could Trigger Mideast Arms Race - May 20, 2008
Iran's nuclear program could trigger a race to develop atomic weapons in the Middle East. The International Institute for Strategic Studies noted that 13 countries had announced new or revived plans to pursue or explore civilian nuclear energy over an 11-month period between February 2006 and January 2007. AFP

 

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Iran says IAEA report shows nuclear work peaceful

Tue May 27, 2008 2:50am BST


TEHRAN (Reuters) - A senior Iranian official said Monday's report by the U.N. nuclear watchdog showed that Tehran's nuclear programme was peaceful, the semi-official Fars News Agency reported.
The report from the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) "is another document that shows Iran's entire nuclear activities are peaceful", Ali Asghar Soltanieh, Iran's ambassador to the Vienna-based agency, said according to Fars.
"Once more it has been explicitly underlined that there has been absolutely no evidence regarding the diversion of Iran's nuclear activities or materials toward military purposes," he said.
Soltanieh did not directly comment on the IAEA statement in the report that Iran's alleged research into nuclear warheads was a matter of serious concern and that Tehran should provide more information on its missile-related activities.
The U.N. agency also said Iran was holding back information about high-explosives testing relating to its nuclear programme.
The IAEA has been pressing Tehran for answers after Western intelligence alleged that Iran had covertly studied how to design atomic bombs. Iran has dismissed the intelligence as baseless, forged and irrelevant.
The IAEA said in April Iran had agreed on steps to clarify by the end of this month the intelligence allegations.
The intelligence came variously from a laptop computer spirited out of Iran by a defector in 2004 and passed to Washington, from some other Western countries and from the IAEA's own inquiries.
Soltanieh accused the United States of violating its commitments by not allowing documents it says it has to be handed over to Iran, apparently referring to the intelligence material

 

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"The point of utmost importance is that both the agency and (its head Mohamed) ElBaradei have confessed in this report that despite the claim (the United States) possesses documents against Iran, the United States has not allowed these documents to be given to Iran," Soltanieh said.
He called this a "blatant violation of U.S. commitments" and added that the U.S. allegations were "baseless", Fars said.
The Islamic Republic says its nuclear programme is peaceful and aimed at generating electricity so that it can export more of its oil and gas. Iran is the world's No. 4 oil producer.
The U.N. Security Council has imposed three rounds of sanctions against Iran for refusing to suspend its sensitive nuclear work.

 

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Strategic Security Program


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The Program strives to reduce the spread and risk of nuclear weapons, to stop the global illicit trade in conventional weapons, to promote the safe and responsible use of new biotechnology, and to advocate sensible attitudes toward access to government information, which is a prerequisite for any intelligent decision-making in a democracy.

The Strategic Security Program is comprised of four projects and a military information database:

The Arms Sales Monitoring Project provides comprehensive data on export of US weapons, monitors export control regulations, and tracks the illicit trade in small arms worldwide.

The Biosecurity Project develops curricula for alerting biologists to the potential for misuse of new biotechnology and provides a clearing house for biosecurity information, useful to both scientists and security experts.

The Government Secrecy Project reports current news related to government secrecy policy, makes available difficult-to-find government reports, and advocates a sensible, consistent government secrecy and classification policy.

The Military Analysis Network provides technical information on the militaries and weapons of the world.

The Nuclear Information Project tracks global nuclear weapons and analyzes nuclear doctrine and developments in the nuclear fuel cycle.

 

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Project News

Extensive Nuclear Missile Deployment Area Discovered in Central China

(May 15, 2008) Analysis of new commercial satellite photos has identified an extensive deployment area with nearly 60 launch pads for medium-range nuclear ballistic missiles in Central China. The U.S. government often highlights China’s deployment of new mobile missiles as a concern but keeps the details secret, so the discovery of the deployment area provides the first opportunity for the public to better understand how China operates its mobile ballistic missiles. Read more here...

Nukes in the Taiwain Crisis

(May 13, 2008) The 1958 Taiwan Strait crisis triggered U.S. nuclear strike planning but also presidential caution, a newly declassified document shows. Yet caution did not prevent a massive nuclear buildup in the region in the years that followed. After a hiatus in the 1980s and first half of the 1990s, China and the Taiwan scenario have again become a focus for U.S. nuclear strike planning. Read more...

Russian Nuclear Missile Submarine Patrols Decline Again

(April 28, 2008) The number of deterrence patrols conducted by Russia’s 11 nuclear-powered ballistic missiles submarines (SSBNs) decreased to only three in 2007 from five in 2006, The new practice indicates that Russia no longer maintains a continuous SSBN patrol posture like that of the United States, Britain, and France, but instead has shifted to a new posture where it occasionally deploys an SSBN for training purposes. Read more...

Chinese Jin-Class SSBN Arrives at Hainan Island

(April 24, 2008) A new satellite image obtained by the Federation of American Scientists shows that one of China's new Jin-class nuclear-powered ballistic missile submarines has arrived at Yulin Naval Base on Hainan Peninsula in the South China Sea. Read more here....

Chinese Nuclear Arsenal Increased by 25 Percent Since 2006, Pentagon Report Indicates

(March 6, 2008) The Pentagon’s 2008 annual report to Congress on China’s military power indicates that China has increased its nuclear arsenal by 25 percent since 2006. The increase has happened due to deployment of new long-range solid fueled ballistic missiles and cruise missiles. Retirement of several old systems will offset the increase somewhat, but the trend is toward a slighly increased arsenal. Read more...

Nuclear Safety and the Saga About the Missing Bent Spear

(February 22, 2008) The incident where six nuclear weapons were accidentally flown on a B-52 bomber across the United States last August is missing from Air Combat Command's list of significant nuclear weapons incidents, according to this article on the FAS Strategic Security Blog. The article also assesses the official internal investigations of the incident. Read more...

Toward True Security

[FONT=arial,helvetica,sans-serif](February 13, 2008) [/FONT] The Federation of American Scientists, along with the Natural Resources Defense Council (NRDC), the Union of Concerned Scientists (UCS), and independent analysts, have issued a report, Toward True Security, that calls for immediately declaring that the sole mission for U.S. nuclear weapons is to deter nuclear attack, for taking all nuclear weapons off launch-ready alert, and for reducing the U.S. nuclear arsenal to a total of 1000 warheads, including reserves, as an immediately achievable, secure step toward a nuclear-free world. Click here to read the full press release.

Chinese Submarine Patrols Rebound, but Remain Limited

(January 7, 2008) China's entire fleet of approximately 55 general-purpose submarines conducted a total of six patrols during 2007, according to information obtained by FAS from the U.S. Navy under the Freedom of Information Act. The information also shows that none of China's ballistic missile submarines have ever conducted a deterrent patrol. Read more...

White House Announces (Secret) Nuclear Weapons Cuts

(December 18, 2007) The White House announced that the administration will complete reduction of the stockpile "by nearly 50 percent" in two weeks instead of in five years. Another 15 percent, government officials added, will be accomplished by 2012. Unfortunately the details are secret, so officials can neither say how many weapons will be retired nor how big the stockpile is. Read more...

White House Guidance Created New Nuclear Strike Plans Against Proliferators, Document Shows

(November 5, 2007) The 2001 Nuclear Posture Review and White House guidance issued after the terrorist attacks on September 11, 2001, caused the U.S. Strategic Command to add a series of new strike options against "rogue states" to the main U.S. strategic nuclear war plan, according to a military planning document declassified and released to the Federation of American Scientists. Read more...

Two More Chinese Submarines Spotted

(October 4, 2007) China appears to have launched two more new Jin-class (Type 094) ballistic missile submarines at the Bohai shipyard in Huludao some 400 km east of Beijing. The images were discovered by FAS during analysis of commercial satellite images on Google Earth. A third submarine image was discovered in July 2007.

 

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Status of World Nuclear Forces

Country Profiles​

Detailed World Summary
Russia
United States
France
China
United Kingdom
Israel
Pakistan
India
North Korea More than a decade and a half after the Cold War ended, the world's combined stockpile of nuclear warheads remain at a very high level: more than 20,000. Of these, more than 10,000 warheads are considered operational, of which a couple of thousand U.S. and Russian warheads are on high alert, ready for use on short notice.
If adding retired warheads earmarked for dismantlement, the total inventory of intact nuclear weapons is approximately 25,500 warheads.
The exact number of nuclear weapons in each country's possession is a closely held national secret. Despite this limitation, however, publicly available information and occasional leaks make it possible to make best estimates about the size and composition of the national nuclear weapon stockpiles:

Status of World Nuclear Forces 2008*​

Country Strategic Non-Strategic Operational Stockpile Russia 3,113 2,079 5,192 ~14,000a United States 3,575 500b 4,075 5,400c France 348 n.a. 348 >348d China 180 ? 180 ~240e United Kingdom 160 n.a. <160 ~200f Israel ~80 n.a. n.a. ~80g Pakistan ~60 n.a. n.a. ~60g India ~50 n.a. n.a. ~50g North Korea <10 n.a. n.a. <10h

Total: ​

7,715i 2,830i ~10,350i ~20,390i * These estimates are also included in the Nuclear Notebook in the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists, and the nuclear appendix in the SIPRI Yearbook. Additional reports are published on the FAS Strategic Security Blog. Unlike those publications, this table is updated continuously as new information becomes available. Current update: April 9, 2008.
a The estimate for the size and composition of the Russian stockpile comes with considerable uncertainty but is based on Cold War levels, subsequent dismantlement rates, and official Russian statements. Perhaps as many as a quarter (~3,000) of the weapons listed as stockpiled may be awaiting dismantlement.
b Several hundred, probably including some inactive warheads, are deployed in Europe.
c An additional estimated 5,000 reserve warheads were formally removed from the DOD stockpile by the end of 2007. For now they largely remain at their bases but will be moved to central storage before 2012 and dismantled by 2023. In addition, more than 12,000 plutonium pits and some 5,000 Canned Assemblies (secondaries) are in storage.
d Like other nuclear powers, France probably has a reserve of inactive warheads.
e Many strategic warheads are for regional use. The status of a Chinese non-strategic nuclear arsenal is uncertain. Some deployed warheads may not be fully operational. Additional warheads are in storage, for a total stockpile of approximately 240 warheads.
f Only 50 missiles are left, for a maximum of 150 warheads. “Less than 160” warheads are said to be "operationally available," but a small number of spares probably exist too. Forty-eight missiles are needed to arm three SSBNs with a maximum of 144 warheads. One submarine with “up to 48 warheads” is on patrol at any given time. In addition to the operationally available warheads, Britain probably has an inactive reserve.
g All warheads of the four lesser nuclear powers are considered strategic. Only some of these may be operational.
h There is no publicly available evidence that North Korea has operationalized its nuclear weapons capability. On October 8, 2006, North Korea announced it had conducted a nuclear test.
i Numbers may not add up due to rounding and uncertainty about the operational status of the four lesser nuclear weapons states and the uncertainty about the size of the total stockpile of three of the five initial nuclear powers.​

The exact number of nuclear weapons in each country's possession is a closely held national secret. Despite this limitation, publicly available information and occasional leaks make it possible to make best estimates about the size and composition of the national nuclear weapon stockpiles.

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World Nuclear Weapon Stockpiles 2008​

Stockpiles include several sub-categories of weapons: active deployed (fully operational), active non-deployed (intact reserve weapons intended to increase deployed force), and inactive (reserve weapons with limited-life components removed). Categories and definitions may vary depending on country. In the case of the United States, when weapons are withdrawn from the stockpile (which refers to weapons under the custody of the Defense Department), ownership is officially transferred to the Energy Department although the weapons may remain in storage at military bases for many years before they are dismantled.​

The information available for each country varies greatly, ranging from the most transparent nuclear weapons state (United States) to the most opaque (North Korea). Accordingly, while the stockpile for the United States is based on real numbers, the North Korean stockpile is highly uncertain. Indeed, although U.S. Intelligence claims that North Korea may have assembled a few nuclear weapons and North Korea claims to have some, no information is available in the public domain that proves that North Korea has assembled a nuclear weapons much less has an operational nuclear weapon.


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History of World Nuclear Weapon Stockpiles 1945-2008​

The combined inventory of nuclear weapons has fluctuated considerably over the years. Between 1945 and 1986 the total number continued to increase, reaching a peak of approximately 70,000 weapons in 1986. As the Cold War faded and ended, the United States, Russia, Britain and France have reduced their stockpiles. The reduction of Cold War inventories will likely continued for the next decade or so but then level out as the countries determine the size of their post-Cold War stockpiles.​

Additional Information: Detailed World Summary​

Country profiles: Russia | United States | France | China | United Kingdom | Israel | Pakistan | India | North Korea​

Maintained by: Hans M. Kristensen​

 

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Observations
The While House statement highlights that “the U.S. nuclear stockpile will be less than one-quarter its size at the end of the Cold War” [1991, ed.]. But the stockpile the administration plans for 2012 is large by post-Cold War standards:
* Four times the combined number of nuclear weapons of all the world’s nuclear weapons states, excluding Russia.
* Almost half of the stockpile – a maximum of 2,200 warheads – will be operational, and a third of those (more than 850) will be on alert.
* More than 10 times bigger than in 1950, when the United States decided to contain the Soviet Union.
Although the White House says the planned reductions seek to “reduce U.S. reliance on nuclear weapons,” the statement not only reaffirms that “a credible deterrent remains an essential part of U.S. national security,” but also declares that “nuclear forces remain key to meeting emerging security challenges.”
In the weeks ahead, we will fine-tune this estimate further.
More background: Estimates of the U.S. Nuclear Stockpile Today and Tomorrow | Estimates of the U.S. Nuclear Weapons Stockpile, 2007 and 2012

 

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Observations
The While House statement highlights that “the U.S. nuclear stockpile will be less than one-quarter its size at the end of the Cold War” [1991, ed.]. But the stockpile the administration plans for 2012 is large by post-Cold War standards:
* Four times the combined number of nuclear weapons of all the world’s nuclear weapons states, excluding Russia.
* Almost half of the stockpile – a maximum of 2,200 warheads – will be operational, and a third of those (more than 850) will be on alert.
* More than 10 times bigger than in 1950, when the United States decided to contain the Soviet Union.
Although the White House says the planned reductions seek to “reduce U.S. reliance on nuclear weapons,” the statement not only reaffirms that “a credible deterrent remains an essential part of U.S. national security,” but also declares that “nuclear forces remain key to meeting emerging security challenges.”
In the weeks ahead, we will fine-tune this estimate further.
More background: Estimates of the U.S. Nuclear Stockpile Today and Tomorrow | Estimates of the U.S. Nuclear Weapons Stockpile, 2007 and 2012

after being hit by one nuke, who would care?

 

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after being hit by one nuke, who would care?

I would m8