Smile! You’ve Got Socialized Healthcare!

tay

Hall of Fame Member
May 20, 2012
11,548
1
36
 

gopher

Hall of Fame Member
Jun 26, 2005
21,513
66
48
Minnesota: Gopher State
The health care debate has shifted to the GOP — and most people don’t like what they see, poll says






With Republicans in command, their health care proposals as currently formulated have generated far more concern than enthusiasm. Even among rank-and-file Republicans, there’s opposition to changes that would let insurers charge higher premiums to older adults, and many disapprove of cuts to Medicaid for low-income people, according to a recent poll by The Associated Press-NORC Center for Public Affairs Research. It also found more than half of Republicans at least somewhat worried about leaving more people uninsured, as the House plan is projected to do.

March polls by Fox News and Quinnipiac University showed overall margins of opposition to the GOP bill nearing or even exceeding those of the Obama-era Affordable Care Act, or ACA, at its lowest points — such as when the HealthCare.gov website went live in 2013 and promptly crashed.

“Republicans are taking ownership of the health care issue, and all the pleasure and pain of health reform,” said Drew Altman, president of the nonpartisan Kaiser Family Foundation, which tracks the health care system. “There has been a shift in focus from the ACA itself to the Republican plans, and who might lose benefits as a result.”

Poll: Americans dislike GOP’s, Trump’s plan on health care




more at: The health care debate has shifted to the GOP -- and most people don't like what they see, poll says | PBS NewsHour



Didn't our friend Trump say he guaranteed every American would be coveredby health care insurance?
 

tay

Hall of Fame Member
May 20, 2012
11,548
1
36
Henry County is one of hundreds of U.S. hospitals trying to cope with an unexpected consequence of the Affordable Care Act of 2010, known as Obamacare: millions more Americans have health insurance, but it requires them to spend thousands of dollars before their insurer kicks in a dime.

Since U.S. hospitals do not want to end up footing the bill, they are now experimenting with pre-payment strategies for patients, with a growing number requiring payment before scheduled care and offering no interest loans, according to interviews with more than two dozen hospitals, doctors, patients, lenders and healthcare experts.

“Most patients are appreciative that we’re telling them up front,” said David Muhs, chief financial officer for the Henry County hospital, which provides a discount for early payment. The discussion leads some patients to skip care, others to delay it or use a no interest loans available through the hospital, he said.

The ACA extended insurance to 20 million Americans, which initially helped hospitals begin to shrink debt from uninsured patients who could not pay their medical bills. But more and more, people in Obamacare plans or in employer-based health plans are choosing insurance that features low monthly payments. The trade-off is high out of pocket costs when they need care. (For a graphic, click tmsnrt.rs/2oCzePS)


If President Donald Trump dismantles Obamacare as promised, these plans won't disappear. Republicans also believe high-deductible plans curb spending, and Americans faced with medical costs that rise faster than inflation and wages will look for premiums they can afford.

The trend is expected to accelerate this year because unpaid bills are creating massive bad debt for even the most prestigious medical centers. U.S. hospitals had nearly $36 billion in uncompensated care costs in 2015, according to the industry’s largest trade group, a figure that is largely made up of unpaid patient bills.

The largest publicly-traded hospital chain, HCA Holdings Inc, reported in the fourth quarter of 2016 that its ratio of bad debt to gross revenues of more than $11 billion was 7.5 percent.

One of the first to test this new payment strategy was Novant Health, headquartered in North Carolina with 14 medical centers and hundreds of outpatient and physician facilities. It saw patient debt increase when more local employers started adopting high deductible plans, including one that made its executives pay $10,000 in out-of-pocket expenses.

“To remain financially stable, we had to do something,” said April York, senior director of patient finance at Novant, whose patient default rate dropped to 12 percent from 32 percent after it started offering no interest loans through ClearBalance.

“Patients needed longer to pay. They needed a variety of options,” she said.

Wake Forest Baptist Medical Center in North Carolina had seen its bad debt creep up in recent years as more patients saw out of pocket expenses soar, with some deductibles reaching $15,000.

“We’ve seen that many patients are unaware of the increases in their deductibles,” said CFO Chad Eckes. Wake Forest now asks for payment before non-emergency services are provided but also offers zero interest, longer repayment options.

“It’s a challenging position,” he said. “It’s a discussion no one wants to be in, and none of us enjoy.”

Ballooning bills: More U.S. hospitals pushing patients to pay before care | Reuters
 

tay

Hall of Fame Member
May 20, 2012
11,548
1
36
As reported by NBC News:
Gabriella is allergic to the kind of insulin her insurer covers at a $25 out-of-pocket cost. She can only take Apidra, but her insurance only covers 25 percent of the price, leaving the family to pay hundreds of dollars a month they can't afford.

So her mom has turned to the black market, trading for the medication with other families with diabetes she meets online, a tactic that regulators and health experts warn is a health risk...

The class of rapid-acting insulin Gabriella depends upon comes at a price — one that's risen 1,123 percent since 1996, according to data from Truven Health Analytics, even as more competitors have entered the market.

Her parents' insurer, West Virginia Public Employees Insurance Agency (PEIA), considers Gabriella's insulin Apidra "Tier 3," which means the family has to pay 75 percent of the price. A copay-reduction card from drugmaker Sanofi would help some, but would still leave them to pay $270 for one vial, which would last them about a month...

Since they're not uninsured, the Corleys don't qualify for free insulin under Sanofi's patient assistance program...

As far as the industry is concerned, Humalog, Novolog, and Apidra are all equivalent insulins in terms of how they lower blood sugar levels. So whether or not your insurer covers it comes down to the deal they can cut.

But not every patient can use the drug their insurer has decided they can take, or afford the one they want to. Drugs' formulations vary. Some patients may have a reaction to the inactive ingredients or find that one kind works differently in their body, forcing them to relearn years of mental math performed at every mealtime.​
American healthcare is a total cluster**** debacle.
 

Ludlow

Hall of Fame Member
Jun 7, 2014
13,588
0
36
wherever i sit down my ars
The health care debate has shifted to the GOP — and most people don’t like what they see, poll says






With Republicans in command, their health care proposals as currently formulated have generated far more concern than enthusiasm. Even among rank-and-file Republicans, there’s opposition to changes that would let insurers charge higher premiums to older adults, and many disapprove of cuts to Medicaid for low-income people, according to a recent poll by The Associated Press-NORC Center for Public Affairs Research. It also found more than half of Republicans at least somewhat worried about leaving more people uninsured, as the House plan is projected to do.

March polls by Fox News and Quinnipiac University showed overall margins of opposition to the GOP bill nearing or even exceeding those of the Obama-era Affordable Care Act, or ACA, at its lowest points — such as when the HealthCare.gov website went live in 2013 and promptly crashed.

“Republicans are taking ownership of the health care issue, and all the pleasure and pain of health reform,” said Drew Altman, president of the nonpartisan Kaiser Family Foundation, which tracks the health care system. “There has been a shift in focus from the ACA itself to the Republican plans, and who might lose benefits as a result.”

Poll: Americans dislike GOP’s, Trump’s plan on health care




more at: The health care debate has shifted to the GOP -- and most people don't like what they see, poll says | PBS NewsHour



Didn't our friend Trump say he guaranteed every American would be coveredby health care insurance?
Drumph cares about you Gopher. ..You fukkin peasant.
 

pgs

Hall of Fame Member
Nov 29, 2008
28,502
8,107
113
B.C.
I can. I don't have a 25K deductible. If you were smart, you wouldn't either.
So what is your deductible and what are your premiums ? Tell me is this a better plan now then you had before ? And why doesn't your employer cover your insurance ?
 

Tecumsehsbones

Hall of Fame Member
Mar 18, 2013
60,161
9,435
113
Washington DC
So what is your deductible and what are your premiums ?
Zero and zero, respectively.

Tell me is this a better plan now then you had before ?
It's the same plan. My plan was folded into Obamacare without change.

And why doesn't your employer cover your insurance ?
My employer covers 100% of my insurance. 100% of all my other costs, too.
 

pgs

Hall of Fame Member
Nov 29, 2008
28,502
8,107
113
B.C.
Zero and zero, respectively.


It's the same plan. My plan was folded into Obamacare without change.


My employer covers 100% of my insurance. 100% of all my other costs, too.
Great deal if you can get it . But what about those who do not have employer paid health coverage , who pays their premiums and deductibles ?
 

Tecumsehsbones

Hall of Fame Member
Mar 18, 2013
60,161
9,435
113
Washington DC
Great deal if you can get it . But what about those who do not have employer paid health coverage , who pays their premiums and deductibles ?
They should just take it out of their trust funds!

I understand that this means they may have to settle for a BMW this year instead of a Mercedes, but in hard times we must all make sacrifices.
 

pgs

Hall of Fame Member
Nov 29, 2008
28,502
8,107
113
B.C.
They should just take it out of their trust funds!

I understand that this means they may have to settle for a BMW this year instead of a Mercedes, but in hard times we must all make sacrifices.
So you really don't care about those deplorables that elected Donald Trump and Barrack Obama ?