Smearing chavez american lies!

Reverend Blair

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in fact even a Houston oil guy is one of the suspects along with many UN characters.

In fact he gave $100,000 to Bush and another $100,000 to Kerry. Now if he was French, we'd be hearing cries for all three of their heads on pikes. He's American though, so it hardly makes the news.

Even examples of corruption brought to the attention of the US ? Man, what a semi-crock that is.

It's not a crock, semi or otherwise. It is, in fact, documented and verifiable. Just like oil smuggling, or the control of it, was never part of the OFF mandate is documented and verifiable.

Read the website, Jimmy. Check out the facts they present for yourself. Once you understand those facts, go to one of Uncle's sites and try to spread the truth.
 

unclepercy

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jimmoyer said:
I don't want to go around and around this one either, but suffice it to say, that not all of the corruption was handed so nicely and openly for US inspection, in fact even a Houston oil guy is one of the suspects along with many UN characters.

If your slant could level out a little bit, you'll find us in great agreement, but you can't help yourself but skew towards one and not the other.

Even examples of corruption brought to the attention of the US ? Man, what a semi-crock that is.

The funny think about your statement is that such matters were brought to attention by Americans and Brits to themselves and knew that there was too much support for this program and too much resistance to a real audit.

C'mon man.

I don't think you're the final arbiter of truth on this one.[/quote]

Amen, Brother Ben.

Uncle
 

Reverend Blair

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See the Bush apologists. See the Bush apologists spin. Spin, apologists, spin. It won't do you any good...the world has seen through your lies and misdirections.
 

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Venezuela raises oil royalty privilege tax and Natural Resource Wealth Belongs to All Citizens

Venezuela has announced that it is increasing the royalties paid by foreign oil companies from 1% to 16.6%.

President Hugo Chavez made the announcement in his weekly television address, with the oil port of Puerto de la Cruz as his backdrop.

The surprise measure will affect all foreign companies offering joint ventures in Venezuela's Orinoco heavy crude belt.

During his address on Sunday, Mr Chavez said: "We are no longer going to give our oil away for reasons that no longer exist, if they ever did."
 

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Maybe one of our spineless politicians good do the same thing .Nah that would be to smart for the useless pricks :evil:
 

no1important

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It seems we are too slow to stand up to America or maybe too scared? I dunno but we need someone like Chavez in power, a person that will stand up for their country and not take any bullying from the thug south of the 49th.
 

jimmoyer

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The royalties from 1 percent to 16 percent ???

Royalties ???

LOL !

Interesting semantics. Perhaps royalty is another word for Taxes ?

Well I guess that's okay. Let's see who's pockets are filled with those "royalties" and if indeed there is really an indpendent audit of that fund run by this man of the people.

LOL !

Hmmm.... and another thought: I wonder which countries other than the USA will pay for this new 16 percent royalty when they import this oil, because of course this royalty surcharge will be passed on to all customers.

And then the macro-economics of this in the OPEC world of supply and demand pricing ---- what are the algorithms on this one ?

Royalties !!!

Good gawd.
 

jimmoyer

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Your Man of the People just made himself a billionaire.

We'll see how the independent audit tracks which pockets gets it.
Oh yeah. What audit ?



And we'll see how the royalty on the oil companies gets passed on to customers who import this oil. I'm sure other countries want to finance this grab.

Hey, why not 50 percent royalties of the oil profit ?

What held him to just 16 percent ?

What holds any autocrat from such royalties in the OPEC world ?
 

Reverend Blair

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RE: Smearing chavez ameri

In spite of your unsubstantiated bullshit, Jimmy, you'll find that the standard of living is rising in Venezuela. You also find that your claims of "autocrat" don't really stand up when you consider that Chavez has won two elections and presently has an approval rating over 70%.
 

Reverend Blair

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I'm a realist, Jimmy. Instead of the Bushit propaganda you are spreading, I look at Chavez's record. You make inaccurrate, misleading and untrue statements because you are afraid that you'll have to pay more for oil.

The people of Venezuela don't have to pay more for oil though, and the percentage of the profits that Venezuela keeps do not change the world price of oil significantly, if at all.

The people of Venezuela have been benefitting from Chavez's programs though. So have poor people in surrounding nations.

The people who are suffering the worst in that area right now are the poor in Colombia, where Bush supports a military dictatorship and unionists are murdered as a matter of course.

Try looking at the facts instead of trying to spin them, Jimmy.
 

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Chavez is certainly the leader

In Dec. 2001, business and labor organizations held a work stoppage to protest Chavez's increasingly authoritarian government. In April 2002, tensions reached a boiling point as workers reduced oil production to protest Chavez policies. Following a massive anti-Chavez demonstration during which 12 people were killed, a coalition of business and military leaders forced Chavez from power. But international criticism of the coup, especially in Latin America, and an outpouring of support from the president's followers returned Chavez to power just two days later. After the coup, Chavez remained highly popular among the poor, despite the desperate state of the economy. Venezuelan labor unions, business organizations, the media, and a good part of the military remained substantially less enchanted.

Beginning in early Dec. 2002, a general strike was called by business and labor leaders. By Jan. 2003 it had virtually brought the economy, including the oil industry, to a halt. Strike leaders pledged to continue until Chavez resigned or agreed to early elections. But in Feb. 2003, after nine weeks, the strikers conceded defeat. In Aug. 2003, a petition with 3.2 million signatures was delivered to the country's election commission, demanding a recall referendum on Chavez. The Chavez government challenged the referendum process rigorously, and petitions submitted in Sept. 2003 and Feb. 2004 were rejected as invalid. The electoral board finally accepted a petition in June 2004 and scheduled the referendum for August 15. Chavez, who had been shoring up his standing with the Venezuelan poor during the delays, won the referendum with an overwhelming 58% of the vote. The opposition alleged fraud, but international observers confirmed that there had been no irregularities. Chavez's hand was clearly strengthened, and by the spring of 2005, his popularity rating reached 70%, due in large part to his social spending programs.

See also Encyclopedia: Venezuela.
 

jimmoyer

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And then after that little history of Chavez, so aptly posted by #juan, we see this man of the people increase the "royalty" of 1 percent to 16 percent.

I guess they all saw that one coming.

We may never know what the man of the people will do with that windfall, but we'll gush over what a find action that was, especially since we're all macro-economists and absolutely sure this "royalty" will go to absolutely good use.
 

Reverend Blair

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:roll: Are you willing to try to make a cogent argument based on fact, or are you just going to continue with the unfounded allegations that do not match facts?
 

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jimmoyer said:
And then after that little history of Chavez . . . this man of the people increase the "royalty" of 1 percent to 16 percent . . .
What's the matter? Would you prefer "profit margin" to "royalty?"

Chavez has set the price. It is none of your business who gets the increase.

No one says America must pay thie price. Go elsewhere.

Or are you NOW against the free market?

Then, you had better start taking over your own oil companies.

Look how your domestic petroleum companies have been raising prices recently.

And no one poor will so much as smell that increased profit.
 

jimmoyer

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I don't care how much this Man Of The People raises taxes (ooops, I mean "royalties") on his oil.

He can raises the uh um "royalties" even higher if he wants.

And you guys can gush over how wise and beautiful he is.
And dream dream what great things he will do with that windfall.

The market forces will react. Let the market react.
I don't care.

Canadians won't mind importing it, if they're a little low.


And we Americans ought to stay out of that guy's hair forever. The American spooks really know how to bungle in the jungle.

Does that cover all the points fer yuh ?

:)
 

MMMike

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Re: RE: Smearing chavez american lies!

jimmoyer said:
The market forces will react. Let the market react.
I don't care.

:)

I don't really care one way or the other about Venezuela & Chavez. Personally, I think the US should mind their own business. But I'm more than skeptical that this guy is the saint that the left would portray. I'm even more skeptical that this 'social revolution' is sustainable. Feel free to quote me on this later, but I predict an massive economic collapse along the lines of Indonesia or Russia. Could be a year, or two, but its coming.
 

Reverend Blair

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The Venezuelan economy is in better shape than it has been for...well...ever, MMMikey. That's in spite of a strike sponsored by the former elites with US government backing.

The portrayals of Chavez as a communist simply are not true. He does believe that the Venezuelan people should benefit from their country's resources before foreign corporations do though.

If you have a look at his land reforms he not only is not nationalising productive land, but he is paying for unproductive property and giving that to the people so they can make a living. A good example of that is the Heinz plant. I was sitting idle. Heinz was trying to sell it, but they had no buyers. Chavez took it over, paid Heinz for it, and now there is a place for Venezuelan farmaers to sell there crops as well as a factory that employs people.

Sounds like good economics to me.

The attempts, again of the elites and the US government, to paint Chavez as a dictator are even more laughable. He is a democratically elected leader who enjoys huge popular support.