Smearing chavez american lies!

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Without putting too fine of a point on it, the American press has not done much at all to criticize this government, about anything.
 

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RE: Smearing chavez ameri

Your press has been very uncritical of Bush. It's been noted all around the world. Your press is a laughingstock.
 

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Reverend Blair said:
Your press has been very uncritical of Bush. It's been noted all around the world. Your press is a laughingstock.

absolutely. The US media is a joke now. (but no one is laughing)
 

jimmoyer

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That's typical herd mentality thinking on the world's part.

It looks a lot different here in the states. Most will tell you how critical the press is of this administration. It's a daily mantra, and the world thinks the press isn't doing that job ?

Herd mentality thinking.

It works both ways.

Because it takes one to know one.

N'est pas?
 

Reverend Blair

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That's typical herd mentality thinking on the world's part.

No, it's a reaction to your corporate controlled press' refusal to do its job.

It looks a lot different here in the states. Most will tell you how critical the press is of this administration. It's a daily mantra, and the world thinks the press isn't doing that job ?

Pravda was harder on Stalin than your networks are on the Bush administration. The New York Times, the paper that you all love to hate for being too "liberal" employs reporters and columnists who openly support your president, to the point of going to jail to cover for crimes commited by high ranking White House officials.

It might look different from where you are because you haven't seen what a real press looks like since the early 70's. The rest of the world has though. That's why they are laughing at you.

N'est pas?

We understand just fine, Jimmy. You're one of those My Country Right or Wrong guys and you've come here as an apologist for a brutal and dictatorial regime that is in serious trouble because you mistakenly believe that your country has some god-given right to tell the rest of the world what to do.

The rest of the world is telling you to piss off.
 

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RE: Smearing chavez ameri

They believe the doctrine so deeply, No1, that, just like the membership of the Bush White House, they expect others to die for their misbegotten ideology.
 

jimmoyer

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Pravda hard on Stalin ?

Holy mackeral, Rev !

Pravda certainly didn't do that while Stalin was alive.

Pravda did it upon Kruschev's orders after Stalin was dead.

Man you guys are so propagandized by your own herd just as you accuse me buying into the Amerikan mindthink.

Perhaps neither side can claim an epiphany here.
 

Reverend Blair

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RE: Smearing chavez ameri

Pravda wasn't at all hard on Stalin, Jimmy, that was my point. You aren't very good with literary techniques, are you?
 

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jimmoyer said:
That's typical herd mentality thinking on the world's part.
It looks a lot different here in the states. Most will tell you how critical the press is of this administration. It's a daily mantra, and the world thinks the press isn't doing that job ?
Herd mentality thinking.
It works both ways.
Because it takes one to know one.

Answer - do you not know that we can access American media in Canada? What you are being inundated with is sophisticated propaganda. And you are accepting it uncritically. You get vetted news of '76 Terrorists bombed' and I see childrens' bodies being pulled from the rubble in a residential area. That is a war crime. You are supporting war criminals.

and your taking the position that 'it works both ways' like both sides are equally at fault. What crap. Stop invading other nations. Stop destabilizing the economies of other nations. Stop supporting tyrants against popular unrizing. Start supporting great men like Chavez who is bringing much needed reform to his People.
 

jimmoyer

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Great men like Chavez ?

Like a jilted lover on the rebound you run headlong into the arms of another man.

Not smart.

Perhaps whatever truth you divine in your own passion will be leavened by time.

And from what I've divined of myself and others, just because you can go on the internet and actually read the news published in other countries does not qualify any of us as experts. What hubris !

Mass opinion wherever it exists is very much the quality of herd instinct, each sheep making an independent decision to following the herd and believing in its own independence thusly believes in the herd's rightness.
 

jimmoyer

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Like Saddam the imperialist ?

Where's the equal passion?

Where were you when Milosovec did the uber-Serbian imperialism ?

Where are you on the slow burn of Dafur ?

Righteous passion and selective it is.

You in your herd, me in mine, all making independent thinking decisions are we?
 

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Both Slobodan Milosevic and Saddam Hussein were evil dictators, but they had one virtue which George W. Bush lacks, and that is that their exploits only created death, torture and poverty for their subjects and their neighbours.

George W. Bush spreads his plague of death, torture, and poverty all around the world.

To abuse Milosevic and Hussein as imperialists, in order to ameliorate the imperialistic depredations of the Bush Administration, is to ignore what Milosevic and Hussein were, leftover Cold War strongmen controlling small areas beneath the rule of larger empires.

To attempt to use Milosevic and Hussein as a distraction to elude evaluating Bush’s plague of horror, shows the poverty of your arguments.


As for Chevez, he may or may not be a great liberator for his country. Much depends upon whether he can avoid tying his country too tightly to a strong ally in an effort to stave of the corruption of domestic enemies and the machinations of US capitalist greed.

That Chevez is trying to build Latin-American cooperation, rather than fully embrace the Chinese for the moment, is, I believe, a good future sign .
 

jimmoyer

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"To attempt to use Milosevic and Hussein as a distraction to elude evaluating Bush’s plague of horror, shows the poverty of your arguments. " ----GL Schmitt


1. I bring up Milosovec and Hussein to expose the selectiveness of the world's righteousness.

2. I bring up Milosovec and Hussein to expose the selectiveness of the world's passion.

3. I warn about Chavez only because the world opinion overreacts equal to how it sees Amerika opinion overreact.

4. I bring up Milosovec to expose particularly the comfort of the European who wishes not to disturb their convenience by stopping slaughter in their own backyard, something we were promised after WWII.

5. I bring up the dead Arafat because the world is so righteous about Palestine that it forgets Jordan could have given the west bank independence during the 20 years it ruled the west bank.

6. I bring up the world's ignornance in its righteousness because many a Kurd scratches his head in mystery about the Palestinian squeaky wheel, having asked Europe at the Versaille Peace treaty for a country of its own.

7. I will continue to rail away at a hypocrisy that has no Amerikan monopoly, the hypocrisy of selective righteous condemnation.

I see the liberal intellectuals behaving no better than the christian rightwingers or the manipulated Muslim suicide bomber.

As far as Bush, he is in great trouble with us conservatives.


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