Sikhs Allowed To Carry Kirpan (knives) To Olympic Events

[LikelyGuy]

That would be incorrect.

Riiiiight! Gotcha, (or not).

 

[Kreskin]

I couldn't care less who wears a turban. Anyone can. No mention of him wearing a kirpan when on duty. Did I miss it?

Yes, all he wanted was to be treated like any other member. Like the one who can't put up a Christmas tree in case it offends Mr Dhillon.

 

[damngrumpy]

Nobody is talking about wearing turbans we are talking about kirpans, which by the
definition of law are weapons ceremonial or not. I have several friends who are
Sihks, and I have spoken in their temple a couple of times. That does not mean I am ready to condone having one group wearing weapons of any kind, that leads to
all kinds of trouble. People who disagree are not racists they just believe we should
be bound by the law of the land.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

People who disagree are not racists they just believe we should be bound by the law of the land.

But we are bound by the law of the land. You seem to imply that something illegal was done here. Nothing of the sort. The law of the land involves freedom of religion, this means making reasonable accommodation with the religious minorities. And that is what was done here. Nobody has gone to courts over this, but if somebody did, Sikhs would have a very good chance of winning, because it is the law of the land.

 

[TenPenny]

But we are bound by the law of the land. You seem to imply that something illegal was done here. Nothing of the sort. The law of the land involves freedom of religion, this means making reasonable accommodation with the religious minorities. And that is what was done here. Nobody has gone to courts over this, but if somebody did, Sikhs would have a very good chance of winning, because it is the law of the land.

And what others are saying is that allowing members of one particular religion to carry concealed weapons is not 'reasonable accomodation'.

That's the crux of the matter, a difference of opinion on what constitutes reasonable accomodation, as defined by law.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

And what others are saying is that allowing members of one particular religion to carry concealed weapons is not 'reasonable accomodation'.

That's the crux of the matter, a difference of opinion on what constitutes reasonable accomodation, as defined by law.

Not much of a difference of opinion here, TenPenny (well, maybe perhaps in the blogosphere). I haven’t heard much controversy over the issue. Nobody has gone to the courts to try to fight it, to get a restraining order etc. I think in the society at large it seems to be a non issue.

 

[Risus]

A$$uming Sikhs are all the same? Funny, I had a cab ride from an ex-military Sikh. It was impossible to get any sort of reaction from the guy at all. Might as well have tried getting a reaction from an on-duty palace guard in England. Definitely easy-going, yup. :roll:

Perhaps the cab driver had to deal with a bunch of drunks on his last fare. You can't make a judgement based on one case.
The Sikhs I know are an easy going group as well.

 

[Johnnny]

well if no one can beat this it just leads me to think what the christian weapon of choice is? the rifle lol jk

 

[SirJosephPorter]

well if no one can beat this it just leads me to think what the christian weapon of choice is? the rifle lol jk

Yeah, right. I assume the rifle is mentioned in the Bible (“thou shalt use a rifle, and as often as possible”).

 

[Colpy]

Yeah, right. I assume the rifle is mentioned in the Bible (“thou shalt use a rifle, and as often as possible”).

You do keep missing the point....

For one thing, the Charter garauntees the right of freedom of conscience and religion.........

And the legal carrying of knives by one segment of society because they believe they must go armed.....while denying the ancient Enlish common law right to go armed to the rest of society....is simply outrageous.

I personally follow the creed of St. Jefferson of Virginia ..... "all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed." ....therefore, be it a matter of conscience or religion, by the precedent set in the Sikh case, under the Charter of Rights and Freedoms, I DEMAND the right to legally carry my 9mm pistol.

 

[Ron in Regina]

You do keep missing the point....

For one thing, the Charter garauntees the right of freedom of conscience and religion.........

And the legal carrying of knives by one segment of society because they believe they must go armed.....while denying the ancient Enlish common law right to go armed to the rest of society....is simply outrageous.

I personally follow the creed of St. Jefferson of Virginia ..... "all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed." ....therefore, be it a matter of conscience or religion, by the precedent set in the Sikh case, under the Charter of Rights and Freedoms, I DEMAND the right to legally carry my 9mm pistol.

Yep....& I posted this seven pages back....

I've carried a pocket knife everyday since the age of five. I actually found my
first knife (and old rusty thing, that my Father replaced with a new pocket
knife as long as I discarded that old thing before I ended up with Tetanus and
Lock-Jaw). For the last 1/2 of my life, I've actually carried two knives (as tools)
daily....a small locking pocket knife and a larger lock-folding belt knife.

I've an older Brother that, as a diesel mechanic working alone in a shop, had a
motor turn over pinning his hand between a belt and a pulley with his feet dangling
about three feet above the floor. It took him about three hours, but he eventually
managed to saw through that belt with the edge of a screwdriver to free himself.
This Brother of mine also carries at least one knife at all times. When this
happened to my Brother is the time where I began carrying a second larger
lock-folding belt knife.

Over the coarse of our lives, we've both managed to not only not stick a knife
into any of our fellow men, but to never so much as threaten another with a knife.
They're a tool that every person should carry that can save your life, or the life of
another.

Personally, I have no issue with a Sikh carrying a Kirpan at all times, as I do
something similar myself (though for different reasons) following my own belief
system. My issue comes from one segment of society (be it based on race or
religion or what have you) being granted privileges that are not only excluded
from the rest of the population....but makes the rest of society criminals if they
exercise the same right granted to a few.

I'm sure the argument can be made (strawman style) using some other item
that a few members of society would carry that the rest wouldn't be interested
in bothering with and plugging it into the place of a useful item like a knife that
we all should carry...but this is my position on this issue.

 

[AnnaG]

Perhaps the cab driver had to deal with a bunch of drunks on his last fare. You can't make a judgement based on one case.
The Sikhs I know are an easy going group as well.

Perhaps he did. I was not drunk and neither was my friend. We were simply friendly. It's a habit. We like making people smile and stuff like that.
I know Sikhs that are easy-going, too. So?

 

[AnnaG]

well if no one can beat this it just leads me to think what the christian weapon of choice is? the rifle lol jk

Nah, it's the garotte. lol

 

[AnnaG]

Yeah, right. I assume the rifle is mentioned in the Bible (“thou shalt use a rifle, and as often as possible”).

It was a joke, peewee. He was tossing in a little humor. You'd have noticed that if you had any humor in you.

 

[AnnaG]

You do keep missing the point....

For one thing, the Charter garauntees the right of freedom of conscience and religion.........

And the legal carrying of knives by one segment of society because they believe they must go armed.....while denying the ancient Enlish common law right to go armed to the rest of society....is simply outrageous.

I personally follow the creed of St. Jefferson of Virginia ..... "all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed." ....therefore, be it a matter of conscience or religion, by the precedent set in the Sikh case, under the Charter of Rights and Freedoms, I DEMAND the right to legally carry my 9mm pistol.

You're in the wrong country then, Colpy. lol Because neither Canada nor the States allows "all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed." The power is with the oligarchic governments, not the people.

 

[AnnaG]

Jokey has one thing right, it is a non-issue (except here) lol

 

[Cannuck]

But we are bound by the law of the land. You seem to imply that something illegal was done here. Nothing of the sort.

It is illegal to carry a concealed weapon. I would not be able to carry a kirpan into the Olympic venue. The issue here is that some people are bound by the "law of the land" and some people aren't.

 

[Cannuck]

Jokey has one thing right, it is a non-issue (except here) lol

It may be a non issue to people like you and Pompass but that's only because you lack the ability to follow the logic train to its final destination. Like treaty rights, affirmative action, Kweebeck language rights and a whole host of other issues, this is about whether or not we wish to live in a world where all people are equal before the law. If you believe that bestowing different levels of rights to different people, I would suggest that your cred would be a tad higher if you simply pointed out a successful historical example of this.

 

[AnnaG]

It may be a non issue to people like you and Pompass but that's only because you lack the ability to follow the logic train to its final destination.

You haven't a clue what abilities I have, Peewee.

Like treaty rights, affirmative action, Kweebeck language rights and a whole host of other issues, this is about whether or not we wish to live in a world where all people are equal before the law. If you believe that bestowing different levels of rights to different people, I would suggest that your cred would be a tad higher if you simply pointed out a successful historical example of this.

If nothing comes of this and the Sikhs wear their kirpans to the Olys, then it is a non-issue.
And I already stated that nothing religious should be past the gates of the Olys or it ALL should be. If you could see past your nose, you'd have realized that.
But whatever ...... you are the only one that knows anything, you are the wisest dork on the planet.

 

[Cannuck]

If nothing comes of this....

...you lack the ability to follow the logic train to its final destination.

I rest my case.