Sikhs Allowed To Carry Kirpan (knives) To Olympic Events
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if someone with a kirpan stabs someone else at the olympics you better hope he is another sihk, cause those christians will be grabbing there rifles, and demanding it for protection against there faith
If that happens, that will be the end of Sikhs being permitted to carry kirpan in a public place. And that is why I don’t see it happening.
I thought we were discussing violence caused by a kirpan, Goober and not knife fights in general. Are there knife fights in the bar? Sure they take place. But that is not the subject under discussion here; we are talking about violence involving a 3 inch kirpan.
As to not seeing a 3 ft kirpan, I repeat my comment. I am not aware that they will permit the Sikhs to carry 3 ft kirpan into the Olympic stadium.
It is not arguing semantics, Jonnny; I think I represent the position of many people. Don’t go by this discussion board. In the population at large, there is no controversy about this. Nobody has gone to court; nobody has demanded that Olympic Committee rethink their position on this.
Most of the people seem to be OK with the compromise reached by the Olympic Committee. So I think my position is the majority position, the opposing views here notwithstanding.
I have explained my position before this, TenPenny. We have freedom of religion in this country, and that gives the Sikhs the right to carry kirpan. Based upon safety considerations, it may be necessary to place some restrictions on this right or to cancel it altogether in some instances (like on an airplane).
In this respect, kirpan s totally different from a rifle. The starting position is that people don’t have the right to carry a rifle. The starting position is that Sikhs have a right to carry kirpan. Then the question is where and how is that right abridged?
These things are decided on a case by case basis. Sikhs have freedom of religion everywhere, but in some instances it may have to be curtailed for safety sake (like on an airplane).
These things are decided on a case by case basis. Sikhs have freedom of religion everywhere, but in some instances it may have to be curtailed for safety sake (like on an airplane).
We all know that Sikhs have special privileges because Canada, the politically correct country, bends over for every bloody religion in the world except the ones that founded this country; what most are saying here is that they shouldn't.
But sir SJP here is gonna put forth the same arguments over and over and over again ad nauseum for another 200 posts:roll:
But sir SJP here is gonna put forth the same arguments over and over and over again ad nauseum for another 200 posts:roll:
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So in other words, the Charter right to freedom of religion isn't an absolute right, it's more of a whenever-it's-convenient sort of right.
Charter of Rights gives us some absolute rights (right to life, right to free speech, freedom of religion etc.). But then the question is, how are these rights exercised in practice? Sometimes one right conflicts with another, how do you resolve the situation then?
In this case, the two rights, freedom of religion and right to safety (or right to life) clash. When right to safety is in danger, freedom of religion must take a back seat, as it does when it comes to carrying a kirpan in airplanes. But when safety is not in danger (as Sikh carrying a small kirpan concealed beneath the clothes and in a difficult to reach manner), then freedom of religion becomes paramount.
These are complex questions, TenPenny, with no black and white answers. That is why they should be answered on a case by case basis, and it helps if both sides act in a reasonable, responsible manner (as they did in the present case).
As I said, the right to freedom of religion isn't absolute, and I'm glad you agree with me. If it was absolute, it would trump everything else. But it doesn't. Or at least, the carrying-concealed-weapons aspect of the freedom of religion isn't absolute, it's at the discretion of the government.
A lot of those kirpans are just for looks as they are dull, from what I understand. I suppose that is up to the Sikh's individual preferences.
As I keep pointing out, one can use almost anything as a weapon, even a rolled up magazine. That Bible of my Mum's must weigh 10 kilograms, get swatted in the head with that and it would do damage. People carry pens and pencils around. Fishing line, piano wire, guitar wire, etc. can be used as a garotte. Solid wooden canes are common. My Irish ancestors used to use blackthorn canes as weapons and my other ancestors used clubs made from tree branches with nodes on them. North America is paranoid. There's a boogie man under every bed and in each shadow. The terrorists have won and most people don't realize it.
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Ah, so you are an expert strangler now, too? How would you know what is favored? I think various people like various different things to use as their tools. I think you watch too many movies. lmao
Exactly, and apparently the panic is still kicked in. People jumping at boogiemen in the shadows, looking under beds for monsters, etc. And then we turn around and pollute our world like crazy. Save an individual and wipe out hundreds of thousands. If it wasn't so pathetic it would be funny.
Again, while I see your point, I do think there's a greater principle being mangled here and a great deal of pretending that there isn't.
It happens all the time. I doubt it will ever stop happening. If Canada was mostly Sikh, others would not have the same advantages as Sikhs. If it was a predominantly Buddhist country, we'd all be better off, I think. But Canada is predominantly whiny Christian and paleface lol and our governments love catering to the minorities.
Me either.
I might think about supporting an Olympic event if things like education and health weren't cut, but when the expense is not spared for the Olys and someone like Campbull makes cuts in education and health, I am dead set against them.
