Should Iran be invited to join a UN-led co-alition to Afghanistan?

Should Iran be invited to join a UN-led co-alition to Afghanistan?

  • Yes. They share a similar if not common language and religion with most of Afghanistan already.

    Votes: 4 23.5%
  • Yes. Other reason.

    Votes: 2 11.8%
  • No.

    Votes: 11 64.7%
  • Other answer.

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
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Socrates the Greek

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Keep writing, sock.... You're digging your way in deeper. You are judging an entire population by those idiots who make the most noise. Do you talk out of the side of your mouth like a certain Liberal?

No man you got it all wrong, I have not said anything on my posts here that denigrates the Iranian population, but Ruther I have in numerous occasions said that the extreme fundamentalists of Iran is where my complaint sits.

Now, do you want to corner me on some thing I have not said? hey you are the controller of your key board, I am not digging my self into anything, I simply stating the fact that THE IRANIAN FUNDAMENTALIST GOVERNMENT OF IRAN IS A BAG OF HATEFUL SH!T.
Very simple, you want to call me a bigot because of that? it is entirely your call, the question is what are looking to achieve?
 

lone wolf

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No man you got it all wrong, I have not said anything on my posts here that denigrates the Iranian population, but Ruther I have in numerous occasions said that the extreme fundamentalists of Iran is where my complaint sits.

Now, do you want to corner me on some thing I have not said? hey you are the controller of your key board, I am not digging my self into anything, I simply stating the fact that THE IRANIAN FUNDAMENTALIST GOVERNMENT OF IRAN IS A BAG OF HATEFUL SH!T.
Very simple, you want to call me a bigot because of that? it is entirely your call, the question is what are looking to achieve?

Do you suppose it's going to be the "IRANIAN FUNDAMENTALIST GOVERNMENT OF IRAN" (where else) hunkered down on a firebase?
 

Socrates the Greek

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Do you suppose it's going to be the "IRANIAN FUNDAMENTALIST GOVERNMENT OF IRAN" (where else) hunkered down on a firebase?

This is the loser who will represent Iran, the man is a rat.....he has the mentality of a rat and in fact he is an over grown Rat.



By the way LW the general OPINION (the poll above) on the this thread is @ 55% NO,
ARE THEY ALL BIGOTS?
 

lone wolf

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I don't follow your drift, what is a firebase?

A forward military post - most often to direct artillery fire....

Front line where things go BOOM!

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By the way LW the general OPINION (the poll above) on the this thread is @ 55% NO,
ARE THEY ALL BIGOTS?

It would depend on why they say no.... It ain't a black and white world, Sock....
 

Socrates the Greek

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A forward military post - most often to direct artillery fire....

Front line where things go BOOM!

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It would depend on why they say no.... It ain't a black and white world, Sock....

LW thank you sincerely for the military explanation, I am not a military man, but I do respect the fallen who fought for the right cause.

On the black and white scenario, I am fully aware that this world we all live in is not monochrome, it is sad that some choose to see it as monochrome. To me the rain bow is the music for the eyes. The loser above on that picture looks at life with bad intent. So figure if the 60% on the poll which is only 6 people NO over 3, who is looking at a black and white picture?
 

lone wolf

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LW thank you sincerely for the military explanation, I am not a military man, but I do respect the fallen who fought for the right cause.

On the black and white scenario, I am fully aware that this world we all live in is not monochrome, it is sad that some choose to see it as monochrome. To me the rain bow is the music for the eyes. The loser above on that picture looks at life with bad intent. So figure if the 60% on the poll which is only 6 people NO over 3, who is looking at a black and white picture?

Is it okay if I blame you for Gun Control legislation because your Grand Poobah Chretien made it law?

You are judging all Iranians by what you know of "the loser". That make YOU the one looking at a black-and-white picture....

Fer us er agin us. George Bush
 

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Granted, I don't like their politics either. But we can't deny that from a practical standpoint, their land troops would be far more competent than ours in being able to communicate with the local population and so establish relations with them. I'm sure we could negotiate something with Iran whereby we let them into Afghanistan with an understanding that the goal is to establish friendly relations with the local population. This would be in iran's interests and ours. it really would be a win-win-win situation if we could just look beyond the narrow politics of the situation.

Okay.

Please explain, in light of the following facts:

Iranians are Persians, NOT Arabic, in fact they are traditional enemies of the Arabs.

Iranians speak Farsi, not Arabic, nor the Pashtun dialect.

Iran has been accused of supplying arms and aid to the Taliban, the enemy of the West, and the enemy of the Afghan people.

All that said, should the government of Iran change, and Iran cease supporting terrorism the world over......they might make a better ally than Pakistan has proved to be....
 

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Okay.

Please explain, in light of the following facts:

Iranians are Persians, NOT Arabic, in fact they are traditional enemies of the Arabs.

Iranians speak Farsi, not Arabic, nor the Pashtun dialect.

Iran has been accused of supplying arms and aid to the Taliban, the enemy of the West, and the enemy of the Afghan people.

All that said, should the government of Iran change, and Iran cease supporting terrorism the world over......they might make a better ally than Pakistan has proved to be....

Iran has been accused of supplying arms and aid to the Taliban, the enemy of the West, and the enemy of the Afghan people.

Standing "accused" by who? The West? Not a very subjective judge

"An enemy of the Afghan people". Says who? The majority of Afghani's? The Taliban are Pashtun, as are the majority of Afghani's

When one is so brainwashed into believing that our "west" is the best and the only rightful way for everyone to live, one loses all objectivity and the ability to look at things with a global perspective.

Take off the blinders
 

Machjo

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The categorizing as people as a relgion and nothing more is dehumanizing and unhelpful. They have political movements in Afghanistan, they have schools of thought, they have culture, they aren't just "Islam".
But there is a human side to religion too. Just to take the simplest of examples. THough I do not profess the Muslim Faith, I've often had very warm conversations with complete strangers simply because I was familiar with their Muslim religion. I've read the Qur'an I don't know how many times. So even though I don't profess the Muslim Faith myself, and even though I was honest about that with them, the simple fact that I knew their religion broght us closer as friends very quickly even before we knew each others' names. Now compare that to an invading armed force whose soldiers know dick all of the local religion. Has the average Canadian soldier even bothered to crack the binder of a Qur'an open, let alone read it? At least soldiers from neighbouring states are likley to be more familiar with it, thus building a bond with the locals. Again, they don't need to be Muslim, but they should be familiar with it. Canadian soldiers, perhaps with some exceptions aside, are likely relatively clueless about it, and so can cause offense in their actions without even being aware of why.

Now I'd say language is even more important. Even if he's unfamiliar with the local religion, he can at least communicate with the locals to find out why they're reacting a certain way to him, so that he can correct himself. Most Canadian soldiers are simply not qualified to function in that environment as an occupation force. As a support force, sure, but certainly not on the front lines. Imagine, would you hire a person who can't speak a word of English to flip burgers at a McDonald's in Ottawa? You'd certainly deem him unqualified for the job. So how can we expec the same incompetence of a man wielding an automatic weapon with orders to shoot people in a foreing country? Don't you think our standards are a little skewed. I'd think we should expect an at least equal standard of communicative ability among soldiers as we'd expect of a worker at McDonald's... or am I missing something here? What is it, if you have a rifle in hand, you needn't be able to communicate to solve problems because you can solve it quite easily in a single shot anyway?
 

Machjo

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Iran is not to be trusted!

Care to elaborate?

In that case, what if we raised a force of Persian (Pashta), Uzbek, and other local-language-speaking soldiers under a UN-led mission? We'd provide the funding, the Canadian military could provide the training, though interpretors if necessary, and we raise a force, independently of Iran, but one of soldiers who would actually be able to communicate with the local population, contact being through their hearts and minds rather than through the chest with a bullet? This way we'd have soldiers possessing the necessary qualifications, including linguistic, to do the job. No company in the world would hire front-line staff that can't communicate in the local lingo. THey'd simply consider them totally unqualified and inadequate for the job. And yet we are satisfied with such a lack of qualifications on the part of our front line soldiers armed to kill? Certainly you could agree that it would be preferable to hire and train new soldiers, even if not Canadian citizens, if they're at least going to have the minimal qualifications they need to perform their tasks.
 

Machjo

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Link for what? They have a dismal record of being fair with the rest of the world, why would anyone want them to be a part of the UN? That would pollute the pool of great people.

Iran persecutes baha'is and is even responsible for the deaths of many baha'is, without a doubt. But how is that any different from the US engaging in an illegal war with Iraq, or ignoring the Geneva Convention in AbuGhraib and Guantanamo? Why do we lower the standard for ourselves yet expect absolute angelic perfection from the other side? It ought to be the other way around. We should hold our expectations of ourselves high before we can dictate to others. I can't imagine that the Iranians woudl have engaged in the sexual games that US soldiers were at Abu Ghraib, especially when the can speak the same language. That has a way of humanizing the 'other' considerably. Also, Iranian soldiers would not necessarily reflect their government. Look at Canada's army. I'm sure we have a few Muslims, jews, atheists, etc., along with black, white, and other soldiers, some right wing some left wing, and not always agreeing with their govenrment. Some join for a job, some to defend their country, some for other reasons. Would the average Persian soldier be any different?
 

Machjo

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There is no fight like a family fight as they say. Minor differences in faith tend to have bloodier conflicts than complete differences.

Any links? Did you know that many Shi'a and Sunni will go to each others' mosques to pray? how often do you see Baptists go to a Catholic mass? I've known some who'd drive past the Catholic church to get to the Baptist one.
 

Machjo

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Allies to whom? Their only Allie is the people whose place they are at. Give the local population a lot of money to spend and a lot of things to choose from they are going to choose things they find amusing over torture with that new cordless drill. Development plans have to look at least 20 years into the future.

Allies in a UN-led force, of course. Or we could just give the money to the Afghan government and let it hire new soldiers and possibly get help from Iran to train their soldiers (it helps if they can understand their instructor).