Should Canada promote an open-border agreement with the UK?

[Machjo]

We already have an unemployment problem. Letting foreigners come here and work because they feel like it will only make things worse.Then you TFWs with no controls.

That could improve the employment problem. A Canadian with skills not in demand in Canada but in the UK could easily apply to work in the UK and vice versa. I'd rather have them working abroad than sit on social assistance in Canada.

Also, foreign students in Canada support Canada's education industry, foreign workers in Canada pay taxes in Canada, and foreign businessmen in Canada can help to boost exports. Less immigration bureaucracy too.

 

[taxslave]

Take off your rose colored glasses and look at reality for a change. The bulk of new British citizens coming to Canada to work will have no skills which will drive labour rates down and make it harder for unskilled Canadians to find work. Professionals can already move around fairly easy.

 

[Machjo]

Take off your rose colored glasses and look at reality for a change. The bulk of new British citizens coming to Canada to work will have no skills which will drive labour rates down and make it harder for unskilled Canadians to find work. Professionals can already move around fairly easy.

Everyone has a skill of some kind.

Maybe that's the problem. We're not willing to open the labour market to the less skilled, only the more skilled, and so further push the poor down.
What do you have against giving a less skilled Canadian full access to the British labour market if he can't find work in Canada. Would you not rather have him working in the UK instead?

Or we could introduce a higher minimum wage for non-citizens than for citizens and allow the UK to do the same. This would make it difficult for them to access lower wage jobs and so limit free movement only to the elites who can land higher paying jobs.

But with less immigration bureaucracy.

 

[Blackleaf]

No, immigration flows FROM Britain TO Canada, not the othe way around.

Canada will remain the garbage pit.

There are around 82,000 Canadians living in the UK, making the UK the third-most popular destination for Canadian expats after the USA and Hong Kong.

Take off your rose colored glasses and look at reality for a change. The bulk of new British citizens coming to Canada to work will have no skills which will drive labour rates down and make it harder for unskilled Canadians to find work. Professionals can already move around fairly easy.

Welcome to the problems facing Britain thanks to the EU's free movement.

 

[Machjo]

603,000 Britons in Canada.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_diaspora

Plus we have a smaller population than yours overall.

There are around 82,000 Canadians living in the UK, making the UK the third-most popular destination for Canadian expats after the USA and Hong Kong.



Welcome to the problems facing Britain thanks to the EU's free movement.

But I'm not proposing quite the same kind of openness.

If I'm not mistaken, EU citizens can apply for social assistance in any EU member-states.

I'm proposing only visa-free study, work, and business.

In other words, we won't stop you from seeking out your own opportunities in the free market.

We could even restrict it further. To study, work, or do business in Canada visa-free, a Britain would need to obtain either an English or French language passport, and a Canadian an English language passport to work in the UK.

According to the poll so far, it looks like about half of us would support an open borders with the UK as long as it doesn't sacrifice our relations with other states.

Plus another who voted yes unconditionally.

 

[Blackleaf]

603,000 Britons in Canada.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_diaspora

Plus we have a smaller population than yours overall.

Yes, but you've got the USA right next door to you, so most of your emigrants go there instead. Much more convenient. Just cross the border.

Had you not got the USA right next door, I suspect a lot more Canadian emigrants would go to Britain.

 

[Curious Cdn]

Yes, but you've got the USA right next door to you, so most of your emigrants go there instead. Much more convenient. Just cross the border.

Had you not got the USA right next door, I suspect a lot more Canadian emigrants would go to Britain.

There are between one and two million Americans living in Canada, btw. The numbers are vague and, probably, the only entity that knows the real number is the IRS.

 

[Danbones]

not to mention seasonal cottagers
tons of them around here
but they spend USD and provide work because of it

the bay also has many expat brits and germans
side by each often lol
if you get the sad irony of that

 

[Blackleaf]

There are between one and two million Americans living in Canada, btw. The numbers are vague and, probably, the only entity that knows the real number is the IRS.

And the bigger a country's population the more people there are to emigrate from it.

 

[Curious Cdn]

And the bigger a country's population the more people there are to emigrate from it.

I would guess that there are about an equal number of Canadians (1-2 million) living in the United States.

 

[Blackleaf]

I would guess that there are about an equal number of Canadians (1-2 million) living in the United States.

There's just over a million, making up almost half of all Canadians who live abroad: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_diaspora

 

[Curious Cdn]

There's just over a million, making up almost half of all Canadians who live abroad: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_diaspora

Lots of Canadians go south to take jobs there, for a while but would never give up their Canadian citizenship. I came really close to doing that, myself. My wife, who spent time in Florida while growing up, said "no way, no how!" would she raise her children down there. I would saythat based on the fate of her close kin who did raise there children down there that she was absolutely right. American culture is seriously sick, right now and after watching the Trump spectacle unfold, I have to wonder if it is terminally so. The violence of the place, that they have all become accustomed to, is shocking to Canadians and it would be to Britons, as well.

 

[Blackleaf]

Lots of Canadians go south to take jobs there, for a while but would never give up their Canadian citizenship. I came really close to doing that, myself. My wife, who spent time in Florida while growing up, said "no way, no how!" would she raise her children down there. I would saythat based on the fate of her close kin who did raise there children down there that she was absolutely right. American culture is seriously sick, right now and after watching the Trump spectacle unfold, I have to wonder if it is terminally so. The violence of the place, that they have all become accustomed to, is shocking to Canadians and it would be to Britons, as well.

Thankfully, though, we are separated from America by the Atlantic Ocean.

 

[Machjo]

Sure an open border with the US would benefit Canada more than one from the UK, but if the US doesn't want one, then one with the UK could still be somewhat beneficial none-the-less.

Thankfully, though, we are separated from America by the Atlantic Ocean.

You're right next to the EU. You want to break economic ties with the UJ's most important trading partners.

That's about as stupid as Canada breaking ties with its US neighbour to trade with strangers across the seas.

 

[Jinentonix]

Sure an open border with the US would benefit Canada more than one from the UK, but if the US doesn't want one, then one with the UK could still be somewhat beneficial none-the-less.



You're right next to the EU. You want to break economic ties with the UJ's most important trading partners.

That's about as stupid as Canada breaking ties with its US neighbour to trade with strangers across the seas.

Not really. The US isn't telling us we can't fish our own waters. The US isn't telling us how many immigrants and/or refugees we have to take in. I could go on but the point is, what Britain is leaving is way, WAY more than just an economic union.
The EU is an undemocratic, neo-communist bloc. Actually, the term being used to define the EU these days is "red fascist".