Should Canada adopt right-to-work legislation?

[justlooking]

So ironic that the right to work states are nearly all the same states that voted in Trump.

How has either development improved peoples lives?

I guess freedom to be an a-hole or hater or selfish could be viewed as an improvement by some.

Oh, you mean the same states who used to vote Democratic. until the Democrats screwed them over so badly with shipping jobs
overseas and destroying things like unions, that they finally had to do something about it ?

Yeah, really ironic.

 

[Scooby]

https://www.fraserinstitute.org/sites/default/files/UnionsandRightToWorkLaws.pdf

"While under many union membership agreements existing non-union status was a valid reason for remaining outside the union (in two-thirds of the sample analyzed by Gennard et al. 1979: 1091), many others were more rigid and recognized only religious objection. A famous example of the latter is the UMA negotiated between British Rail and its three railway unions—the National Union of Railwaymen, the Associated Society of Locomotive Engineers and Firemen, and the Transport Salaried Staff Association. Some 43 employees were unwilling to join a union but, having no religious objections, were duly dismissed. A number of these workers then petitioned the European Commission of Human Rights for relief. The case went on to be heard by the European Court of the Council of Europe, which found for the dismissed railwaymen in 1981, stating that their dismissal was incompatible with the “pluralism, tolerance and broad-mindedness”
of a democratic society (see Hanson et al. 1982: 102)."

So if the European Commission of Human Rights essentially proscribes closed-shops, then according to your logic, Europe is all pro-Trump?

I think this commission would be quite happy to see a wonderfully globalized world of minimum wage workers, looking to be guided forward by the commisions academic brilliance.

https://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&rct=...e-irma&usg=AFQjCNFHIT13RDrztdIqZBsVYFryhZdHWw

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Florida was the first state to pass right-to-work legislation, in 1943, according to the National Conference of State Legislatures. Arizona and South Dakota followed in 1946. Then Georgia, Iowa, Nebraska, North Carolina, North Dakota, Tennessee and Virginia did so in the right-to-work boom year of 1947.

Co-incidence, i think not......

 

[Dexter Sinister]

No..

Agreed. Right to work is one of those ideas that sound good but in practice turn out to be bullshit. There are some "right to work" states in the U.S., and what it seems to mean is really union-busting, low wages, and minimal or no benefits for employees. You like your weekends, paid sick leave, holiday pay, maternity leave, medical and dental care plans, paid statutory holidays, a 40 hour work week...? You can thank unions for all of that and more. Power will never surrender anything until it's forced to, and that's what unions do.

 

[JLM]

Agreed. Right to work is one of those ideas that sound good but in practice turn out to be bullshit. There are some "right to work" states in the U.S., and what it seems to mean is really union-busting, low wages, and minimal or no benefits for employees. You like your weekends, paid sick leave, holiday pay, maternity leave, medical and dental care plans, paid statutory holidays, a 40 hour work week...? You can thank unions for all of that and more. Power will never surrender anything until it's forced to, and that's what unions do.

" You like your weekends, paid sick leave, holiday pay, maternity leave, medical and dental care plans, paid statutory holidays, a 40 hour work week...?"


It's all very nice and I enjoyed all of it except the maternity leave, but really to be sensible about it, should a person be paid for NOT working?

 

[White_Unifier]

Agreed. Right to work is one of those ideas that sound good but in practice turn out to be bullshit. There are some "right to work" states in the U.S., and what it seems to mean is really union-busting, low wages, and minimal or no benefits for employees. You like your weekends, paid sick leave, holiday pay, maternity leave, medical and dental care plans, paid statutory holidays, a 40 hour work week...? You can thank unions for all of that and more. Power will never surrender anything until it's forced to, and that's what unions do.

Actually, even if some of those might have started in union shops, most have been taken over by legislation since and so now apply to union and non-union shops alike.

 

[petros]

Mom used say "Don't pick at the scab, you'll get an infection" but never mentioned "don't picket the scabs you'll get an injuction".

 

[darkbeaver]

Agreed. Right to work is one of those ideas that sound good but in practice turn out to be bullshit. There are some "right to work" states in the U.S., and what it seems to mean is really union-busting, low wages, and minimal or no benefits for employees. You like your weekends, paid sick leave, holiday pay, maternity leave, medical and dental care plans, paid statutory holidays, a 40 hour work week...? You can thank unions for all of that and more. Power will never surrender anything until it's forced to, and that's what unions do.

Exactly, easily pegged as right to slavery when in fact working is like breathing one way or another you work or you die. Dayly bread and all that, once assigned a work permit an attached breathing permit would of course be issued. The right to work is granted to each human at birth by the creators chemistry and physics. I find the term/proposal "right to work" very insulting but exciting as it signals a right to revolt in signifigant numbers. Nobody will legislate my right to breath but me or perhaps some hungry bear or fish or corruption of a government. Power does not surrender but it does not either ever cease to flow to gold and castles and fields of wheat most often on a road paved with it's dead students.

 

[Bar Sinister]

There are too many too proud to work for a living but are unashamed to go on the dole.

And your evidence for this would be...?

 

[JLM]

And your evidence for this would be...?

It ain't rocket science- take a walk down Main St. any morning after 10 o'clock.

 

[Bar Sinister]

It ain't rocket science- take a walk down Main St. any morning after 10 o'clock.

No idea where Main St. is. But if you are referring to those with drug and alcohol problems I have found that even they will take a job if it is offered to them. Mind you most of them are pretty much only useful as day laborers.

 

[JLM]

No idea where Main St. is. .

That's the main drag often located near the centre of town where you'll find banks, restaurants, jewelry stores, clothing stores, doctors, dentists, lawyers etc.

No idea where Main St. is. But if you are referring to those with drug and alcohol problems I have found that even they will take a job if it is offered to them. Mind you most of them are pretty much only useful as day laborers.

Yeah, I wouldn't look there to get some brain surgerin' done.

 

[tay]

Here's a fine example of right to work........


Man threatens to kill coworker after being fired for having cancer, police say


Man threatens to kill coworker after being fired for having cancer, police say | FOX13

 

[TenPenny]

" You like your weekends, paid sick leave, holiday pay, maternity leave, medical and dental care plans, paid statutory holidays, a 40 hour work week...?"


It's all very nice and I enjoyed all of it except the maternity leave, but really to be sensible about it, should a person be paid for NOT working?

Indeed; holiday pay and, more importantly, pensions, should be illegal.

 

[JLM]

Indeed; holiday pay and, more importantly, pensions, should be illegal.

While I could probably agree with you on the holiday pay, pensions are actually mostly funded by the employee, especially the Canada Pension! (Bureaucraps pensions after 6 years of service are a different matter)

 

[Bar Sinister]

Indeed; holiday pay and, more importantly, pensions, should be illegal.

Yes, and savings accounts and investments should be taxed into extinction. That way people could enjoy working until they died.

 

[JLM]

Yes, and savings accounts and investments should be taxed into extinction. That way people could enjoy working until they died.

Of course and then companies that employ people and provide incomes would no longer exist since people would have no incentive to invest in them!