Shop owner vows to keep selling golliwogs.

#juan

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Can we get upset about these dolls and chide some Muslim group for getting distraught over a cartoon? My wife makes raggety ann and raggety andy dolls for the various and sundry babies that are born to our family and friends. She makes the dolls from scraps of material from everywhere. Once she made a black doll and everyone wanted one, including our two black neighbors at the time. The idea of being, or not being, PC was not a factor.
 

Jay

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I think the real racists are the ones with the pen and paper marking down who’s what colour in a crowd. The real racists are the ones who walk by store windows and complain about this doll and that.


Besides....what ever happened to the idea that you bank on what the public is willing to buy? If the dolls aren't popular, and if certain people think they are offensive, they shouldn't buy them. This is how the market works....but some people believe they need to control the market by dictating what you can and can not sell or what you can and cannot say.
 

#juan

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When I was in elementary school,

we had quite a few books that would be burned today. "Tar Baby, and "Little Black Sambo" come to mind. Hell, even Mark Twain's "Tom Sawyer" had racial overtones in places. Fortunately, I didn't see a black student in our school until well into high school.[/i]
 

Jay

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I guess there are many years between when I went to school and when you went...."Tar Baby" would be a hard book to find kick'n around the school when I was a kid.


We didn't have any "Black" people in my pre-high school years, but we did have East Indians and some disabled people.....we got our minority fix, and people always liked these people....they were good folks, how could you not like them?

My wife uses Catcher in the Rye at the high school she teaches at. They have an alternative if the student can't handle it.
 

#juan

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I guess there are many years between when I went to school and when you went.

Yeah, I started school in 1945. Sounds old to me as well.
 

Jay

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Ahhhh, your just a spring chicken yet! :wink:
 

Curiosity

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http://www.answers.com/topic/enid-blyton

Cortez

A portion of an article - there are lots of references if you type in Enid Blyton

Controversies

Cover of The Three Golliwogs, in which the golliwogs are the heroes.The books are very much of their time, particularly the 1950s titles. They reflect a none-too-subtle version of Britain's class system, as in rough versus well-behaved. Undoubtedly present are some stereotypes on gender. Some argue, from a current perspective, that the portrayal of golliwogs, amongst others, was racist. On the other hand, the Famous Five displayed a remarkably modern equality of teamwork between the sexes, and while golliwogs often appeared as villains in the Noddy books, elsewhere in her fantasy works they appeared as the heroes.

It was frequently reported, in the 1950s and also from the 1980s onwards, that various children's libraries removed some of Blyton's works from the shelves. The history of such 'Blyton bans' is confused. Some librarians certainly at times felt that Blyton's restricted use of language, a conscious product of her teaching background, militated against appreciation of more literary qualities. There was some precedent, in the treatment of L. Frank Baum's Oz books (and the many sequels, by others) by librarians in the USA in the 1930s.

Much play has been made of naive language permitting double entendre (e.g. a tendency to imagine sexual connotations, for instance, Noddy "jumping into bed" with Big Ears, another character, clearly not intended by the author). This is probably journalistic froth. This whole area is subject to urban myths and the carefree retelling in newspapers of anecdotes as factual (recycling the old press cuttings, in fact) making it somewhat difficult to discern the truth.

A more careful account of anti-Blyton attacks is given in Chapter 4 of Robert Druce's This Day Our Daily Fictions. The British Journal of Education in 1955 carried a piece by Janice Dohn, an American children's librarian, considering Blyton's writing together with authors of formula fiction, and making negative comments about Blyton's devices and tone. A 1958 article in Encounter by Colin Welch, directed against the Noddy character, was reprinted in a New Zealand librarians' periodical. This gave rise to the first rumour of a New Zealand 'library ban' on Blyton’s books, a recurrent press canard. Policy on buying and stocking Blyton's books by British public libraries drew attention in newspaper reports from the early 1960s to the end of the 1970s, as local decisions were made by a London borough, Birmingham, Nottingham and other central libraries. There is no evidence that her books' popularity ever suffered. She was defended by populist journalists, and others; left-of-centre newspapers ran articles condemning her work, with a piece in 1966 in The Guardian claiming that Blyton wrote more insidiously dangerous right-wing literature than that published by British fascist groups.

Modern reprints of some books have had changes made (such as the replacement of Golliwogs with teddy bears). This is the publishers' reaction to contemporary attitudes on racial stereotypes, and probably enforced by market conditions and pressure groups. It has itself drawn criticism from those adults who view it as tampering with an important piece of the history of children's literature. The Druce book brings up a single case of a story, The Little Black Doll, which could be interpreted as a racist message (the doll wanted to be pink) and which was turned on its head in a reprint.
 

Curiosity

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Censorship and implied racism......

....always stirs something in me that we are immersed in fiction rather than facing reality.

To deny the literature of the time - even children's literature - denies the actual current thinking of the time.

Censorship to change what really happened, whether it is right or wrong, revision of historical data, is a fool's errand and does a disservice to generations to come - denying them the truth of our real story.

Some of the age old nursery rhymes were violent - even Jack fell down the hill, Sleeping Beauty choked on a bad apple given by an evil witch, Hansel and Gretel were threatened with being baked in an oven.... Dorothy's trip to Oz took her away from her home and she was lost.... Cinderella had a nasty "stepmother" and evil step-sisters. Of course all of these characters were of European origin in their storytales so they were acceptable.

But Golliwogs are bad???? Is MLK bad because he is black???
What kind of real message are we creating here?

Now many of the children's characters (in order to be correct and inoffensive) have been turned into animals..... for "safety's sake"....
 

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I am sure that children do not get any bad messages from any children's book. They just consider a story to be a good one or a bad one. We adults are the ones who read between the lines and determine all the hidden meanings[and that is sad!]
 

Nuggler

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When I were a jung un, my mum referred to black folks (what is the PC term now anyway?)as jigaboos. :roll: Polish people were Pollocks, Italians were WOPS, Germans were Squareheads, Chinese were Chinks, Japanese were Japs or Nips.(war just ended don't forget), Jews were Sheenys, Arabs were unheard of and thus had no lovely names.

Every new immigrant was a DP, and they were all after "our jobs" or would "do work no one else would do", and were probably feared. I dunno.

And my mum and her family were god fearin christians who went to church every Sunday, and they were really good people who would give anyone in need a hand, food, money, etc. The whole neighbourhood talked like this, probably the whole country.

T'was the times. Thats' how she was. Glad it's not like that now, but most of those words were not spoken with malice. But I had Jewish and Italian friends at school, and some German kids too, and most of the kids I hung with found the names embarassing. The stuff flowed down hill. Sheesh.

Golliwog was a common doll, Amos and Andy spread the stereotype.....YahsaBoss, do dah, do dah., and on it went. My sister had golliwog dolls and she wasen't a racist, even back then.

I think the fact that they are popular says a lot, but censor them, not me. I could care less. Just don't think they are in good taste, and wouldn't buy one for my grandkids.

Thats the story, an I'm stickin to it.

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