She must really hate the Mexican Flag Now.......

gerryh

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I actually feel bad for the people who get wrongly labelled racist, it's the very reason I'm loathed to use the term. It weakens its meaning and distracts from forward momentum.

In saying that, is the lady in the video a racist, or a nationalist?


Nationalist. I would lay odds she would have objected to a Maple leaf, Union Jack, Fluer de lis, or any other national flag besides the Stars and Stripes.

My feel for it, she's covering (or attempting to cover) racist leanings with nationalism. Can't be sure, but that's just my take. I have a notion she was displeased that Mexicans are living next door to her. The flag was an excuse.

Disagree. My "feel" for the above statement is that you are an ultra liberal looking for racism around every corner, but that's just my take.
 

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Not everyone feels love though.

Very true but inherently I think we are more inclined to reach out for it, even those who've seen little of it in their lives can and do fall under it's spell.

It is, but what about those that live moderately happy, comfortable lives, who suddenly run off, convert and join ISIS, or the circus as it were?

What is it that breeds that kind of hate, that you are willing to throw away a comfortable life and take up murder for sport?
I don't know. What is it that makes otherwise normal kids run off and join a doomsday cult? Perhaps because it is a seemingly comfortable life but there is something lacking in their lives. Maybe deep down they feel rejected by society, most teenagers do go through some form of that at some point. And most of the followers of groups like ISIS or Aryan groups or even religious cults, start off when they are young adults.

So they have this missing piece, they think, inside themselves. Unfortunately, there are always those that come along and exploit that.

Nationalist. I would lay odds she would have objected to a Maple leaf, Union Jack, Fluer de lis, or any other national flag besides the Stars and Stripes.

Which is just a guess, same as mine.



Disagree. My "feel" for the above statement is that you are an ultra liberal looking for racism around every corner, but that's just my take.

Well you're wrong.

And you really do have a strong dislike for taking any kind of intuitive stance don't you? Lol.
 

gerryh

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Well you're wrong.

And you really do have a strong dislike for taking any kind of intuitive stance don't you? Lol.


Really, I just did exactly what you did and now you are all huffy about it. Tell me how that works exactly?
 

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There are many forms of hate speech. Much of the rhetoric of the Democratic Party can be characterized as hate speech when referring to conservatives and libertarians. Democrats shouldn't call Republicans terrorists...as an example.
 

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Really, I just did exactly what you did and now you are all huffy about it. Tell me how that works exactly?


LMAO, I'm not huffy about it, or about anything. :D

It was a guess on my part same as on yours, based on a small snippet of video which is the only insight into this woman's character any of us have. I've just observed that you tend to single out that word "feels" and I'm not really sure why. That's all.
 

gerryh

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LMAO, I'm not huffy about it, or about anything. :D

It was a guess on my part same as on yours, based on a small snippet of video which is the only insight into this woman's character any of us have. I've just observed that you tend to single out that word "feels" and I'm not really sure why. That's all.


You singled it out first. Check your original message.
 

SLM

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You singled it out first. Check your original message.

So are you telling me that had I used the term 'my guess' or 'my take' you would have responded with those terms in quotation marks? Because in all honesty when I use the term 'my feelings' or 'i feel' it really is interchangeable with the above, simply a matter of expression. Putting it in italics was just my way of suggesting a meaning of 'I'm not sure but this is what I think', that's all.

I do recall on at least one other occasion when I've stated something in that manner you've responded back to me with that specific term in quotation marks, like it specifically irked you or something along those lines. I don't know that of course and that is the reason why I asked.
 

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in your original message, it looks, to me, like "feels" has been italicized or written in a slightly different font. THAT is why I singled the word out.
 

gerryh

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Now, as to the original post in this thread......


what I am seeing is hatred directed at the woman for voicing her opinion concerning flying a mexican flag in ones yard rather than an american flag. True to left wing ideologue reaction, she has been fired from her job and received death threats.

I gather from this that one is no longer allowed to publicly voice ones opinion if it goes against the politically correct skew of the day. Only "certain" people are allowed to be "offended" by symbols.
 

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Now, as to the original post in this thread......


what I am seeing is hatred directed at the woman for voicing her opinion concerning flying a mexican flag in ones yard rather than an american flag. True to left wing ideologue reaction, she has been fired from her job and received death threats.

I gather from this that one is no longer allowed to publicly voice ones opinion if it goes against the politically correct skew of the day. Only "certain" people are allowed to be "offended" by symbols.

Not so, I was mostly mocking her for making a mountain out of a molehill. She is not damaged by having her neighbour fly a flag, anymore than if it were a Pride flag, or flag with a family crest upon it. Too bad if she doesn't like looking at, if it doesn't breach any city by-laws she really has nothing to say about it. Perhaps, and this is purely conjecture on my part I will admit, others in the neighbourhood may feel her front curtains are hideous. Big fuking deal, they would have to suck that up as well.

Because really this isn't about racism or nationalism or anything like that. Not really. What it is about is a woman who doesn't like to look at something and has decided to make a major case about it. Not unlike the neighbour who object to what colour you painted your front door or the kind of plants you put in your yard.
 

gerryh

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Not so, I was mostly mocking her for making a mountain out of a molehill. She is not damaged by having her neighbour fly a flag, anymore than if it were a Pride flag, or flag with a family crest upon it. Too bad if she doesn't like looking at, if it doesn't breach any city by-laws she really has nothing to say about it. Perhaps, and this is purely conjecture on my part I will admit, others in the neighbourhood may feel her front curtains are hideous. Big fuking deal, they would have to suck that up as well.

Because really this isn't about racism or nationalism or anything like that. Not really. What it is about is a woman who doesn't like to look at something and has decided to make a major case about it. Not unlike the neighbour who object to what colour you painted your front door or the kind of plants you put in your yard.


Have you checked out any of the other video's she has posted?
 

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Have you checked out any of the other video's she has posted?

No I haven't. I read the article in the OP and watched that video. She comes across to me in that video as a nosy neighbour. She seems to be right up on the neighbours lawn (possibly) and she is most definitely filming them through their window. Sorry, but that's completely offside in my opinion and is more than enough to put me off right there. There is a reason there is a property line and all people should be able to enjoy their lifestyle, within confines of local laws of course, on their own property.

She can hold whatever opinions she wants, say whatever she wants, personally I think it's making a mountain out of a mole hill. If she thinks only the American flag should be flown then that's what she should do...on her property. But it's not up to her to tell what other people do on their property, they aren't doing anything against the law, the advocate for the city stated as much.
 

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Ok. Do this is all her fault, and the fact that she had lost her job and been threatened is justified for her inappropriate actions concerning a flag.

I am reaching this conclusion based on the fact that you have fixated on her actions and have completely ignored everything else.
 

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Ok. Do this is all her fault, and the fact that she had lost her job and been threatened is justified for her inappropriate actions concerning a flag.

I am reaching this conclusion based on the fact that you have fixated on her actions and have completely ignored everything else.

Do I think she should have lost her job? No. One really has nothing to do with the other. As far as I'm concerned if she performed her duties adequately, I'd have no issue buying a home from her. It is the world we now live in though. And she could have opted to simply confront her neighbours, she wasn't forced to video the encounter and upload it to YouTube.

Should she be threatened for it? Absolutely fuking not and that should go without saying, but apparently that's not the case, so I'm saying it. I would have thought you'd know better than that.

Absence of a specific statement to the contrary is not implied justification, it is inferred only.

As to it being all her fault, she uploaded the freaking video. She was not some innocent bystander who was filmed against her wishes simply standing up for herself and has had wrath brought down upon her, she was the instigator. No her life shouldn't be threatened because of it and is not justified because she was the instigator, that's beyond ridiculous. But she didn't speak out against an issue, she created it. And it was one that, in my opinion, was really none of her freaking business.
 

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That's probably a good analogy. My take is that Mexicans in the US are generally seen as taking things away from society, probably in much the same way as FN are seen, again generally, to be taking from Canadian society....neither actually seen as a part of those respective societies.

Really? I don't really know too many people that think FN are "taking" anything away from society. Most people see them as disadvantaged and I don't see how that can be construed as taking away.
 

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Reconquistas.


Yeah, I believe that's what it's called and was inspired by the great writer Carlos Fuentes. However, some people in this movement are not entirely disposed to use Spanish as its official language since it is viewed as the original language of European imperialism. One that eventually evolved into English as the "Manifest Destiny" crowd pushed the Spaniards out of the way. I was acquainted with a Mexican Native American advocate who felt Nahuatl should be the predominant language instead of Spanish or English as it is the most widely spoken of all Uto-Aztek languages. I'm not sure what the alternative is or should be.
 

gerryh

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As to it being all her fault, she uploaded the freaking video. She was not some innocent bystander who was filmed against her wishes simply standing up for herself and has had wrath brought down upon her, she was the instigator. No her life shouldn't be threatened because of it and is not justified because she was the instigator, that's beyond ridiculous. But she didn't speak out against an issue, she created it. And it was one that, in my opinion, was really none of her freaking business.



Yup, she uploaded the video to her own you tube channel. Something she has done with quite a few other video's. I see though, that this video is the only one getting slammed. She didn't threaten the people, she didn't swear at them, she was very polite through the whole thing. She didn't make this an issue. Others decided to make this an issue.