She must really hate the Mexican Flag Now.......
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I actually feel bad for the people who get wrongly labelled racist, it's the very reason I'm loathed to use the term. It weakens its meaning and distracts from forward momentum.
In saying that, is the lady in the video a racist, or a nationalist?
In saying that, is the lady in the video a racist, or a nationalist?
Nationalist. It's easier than being racist. A true racist wouldn't have any neighbours that weren't the same.
I get that and I don't disagree. It's one of the reasons that I do try to see beyond the words a lot of times, to get a feel for the context. If there is a legitimate grievance behind them then it does more good to address that than the choice of words.
But at the same time, those legitimate grievances can also hide a lot of inherent racist hatred too.
So talk about your double edged swords.
My feel for it, she's covering (or attempting to cover) racist leanings with nationalism. Can't be sure, but that's just my take. I have a notion she was displeased that Mexicans are living next door to her. The flag was an excuse.
True but there are many racists who don't admit that they are. They cover it with other 'concerns'.
The Top Gear guys, who aren't renowned for their political correctness, hate Mexicans.
Or, to be more precise, they once made a hilarious joke about Mexicans in which they called them, amongst other things, "lazy", which, even more hilariously, got the Mexican ambassador to the UK to write a letter of complaint to the BBC after Clarkson said the Mexican ambassador to the UK will be too lazy to complain!
During the second episode of series sixteen (2010), the presenters mocked the Mexican Mastretta sports car on account of it being designed in Mexico. James May introduced the car as "The Tortilla", then remarked that he did not remember what it was called. Hammond then stated: "Cars reflect national characteristics ... a Mexican car's just going to be a lazy, feckless, flatulent oaf with a moustache, leaning against a fence asleep, looking at a cactus with a blanket with a hole in the middle on as a coat." This was followed up by James May suggesting that all Mexican food resembles "refried sick", Richard Hammond remarking, "I'm sorry, but just imagine waking up and remembering you're Mexican" with a look of disgust on his face, and Jeremy Clarkson adding, "It'd be brilliant because you could just go straight back to sleep again!"
Clarkson ended the segment by suggesting that the Mexican ambassador to Britain would be too lazy to make any kind of complaint.
This prompted the Mexican ambassador, Eduardo Medina Mora, to write to the BBC:
“ The presenters of the program resorted to outrageous, vulgar and inexcusable insults to stir bigoted feelings against the Mexican people, their culture as well as their official representative in the United Kingdom. These offensive, xenophobic and humiliating remarks only serve to reinforce negative stereotype and perpetuate prejudice against Mexico and its people. ”
The BBC issued a letter defending the anti-Mexican jokes, stating that national stereotyping was a robust part of British humour, but apologizing to the Mexican ambassador for the remarks made about him personally.
The episode will have the Mexican comments cut from its broadcast in the United States, where humour is more PC.
Not long after, Clarkson wrote about it in his Sun column:
I’m truly sorry… that you have no sense of humour
Jeremy Clarkson
The Sun
Last weekend, on the Top Gear motoring programme, we may have accidentally said some unkind words about Mexico.
To be specific, we suggested that the people of this great American state are feckless, lazy and flatulent.
We also said that their food tastes like refried sick and that their ambassador in London would not complain because he’d be asleep.
Well, if he was asleep someone plainly woke him up because he did complain and, in doing so, seems to have started an international incident.
At one point on Wednesday we were receiving 200 complaints from Mexico every minute and the channel which screens our show over there was warned it could face an advertising backlash.
At home, Nick Clegg, the Deputy Prime Minister, was said to be considering a new tone for his forthcoming visit to Mexico and a cross-party panel of MPs called for heads to roll.
TOP GEAR Host Jeremy Clarkson Statement on Mexican Controversy | Franky Benítez
Or, to be more precise, they once made a hilarious joke about Mexicans in which they called them, amongst other things, "lazy", which, even more hilariously, got the Mexican ambassador to the UK to write a letter of complaint to the BBC after Clarkson said the Mexican ambassador to the UK will be too lazy to complain!
During the second episode of series sixteen (2010), the presenters mocked the Mexican Mastretta sports car on account of it being designed in Mexico. James May introduced the car as "The Tortilla", then remarked that he did not remember what it was called. Hammond then stated: "Cars reflect national characteristics ... a Mexican car's just going to be a lazy, feckless, flatulent oaf with a moustache, leaning against a fence asleep, looking at a cactus with a blanket with a hole in the middle on as a coat." This was followed up by James May suggesting that all Mexican food resembles "refried sick", Richard Hammond remarking, "I'm sorry, but just imagine waking up and remembering you're Mexican" with a look of disgust on his face, and Jeremy Clarkson adding, "It'd be brilliant because you could just go straight back to sleep again!"
Clarkson ended the segment by suggesting that the Mexican ambassador to Britain would be too lazy to make any kind of complaint.
This prompted the Mexican ambassador, Eduardo Medina Mora, to write to the BBC:
“ The presenters of the program resorted to outrageous, vulgar and inexcusable insults to stir bigoted feelings against the Mexican people, their culture as well as their official representative in the United Kingdom. These offensive, xenophobic and humiliating remarks only serve to reinforce negative stereotype and perpetuate prejudice against Mexico and its people. ”
The BBC issued a letter defending the anti-Mexican jokes, stating that national stereotyping was a robust part of British humour, but apologizing to the Mexican ambassador for the remarks made about him personally.
The episode will have the Mexican comments cut from its broadcast in the United States, where humour is more PC.
Not long after, Clarkson wrote about it in his Sun column:
I’m truly sorry… that you have no sense of humour
Jeremy Clarkson
The Sun
To be specific, we suggested that the people of this great American state are feckless, lazy and flatulent.
We also said that their food tastes like refried sick and that their ambassador in London would not complain because he’d be asleep.
Well, if he was asleep someone plainly woke him up because he did complain and, in doing so, seems to have started an international incident.
At one point on Wednesday we were receiving 200 complaints from Mexico every minute and the channel which screens our show over there was warned it could face an advertising backlash.
At home, Nick Clegg, the Deputy Prime Minister, was said to be considering a new tone for his forthcoming visit to Mexico and a cross-party panel of MPs called for heads to roll.
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Meanwhile, a woman is said to have instructed lawyers to bring charges of racism against the BBC.
So it falls upon me, as usual, to be the voice of reason and set the record straight.
People say that Mexicans are only good at kidnapping businessmen, cleaning Arnold Schwarzenegger’s swimming pool and growing heroin, but I know this is rubbish. I went there, once, for lunch and it seemed to be very nice.
Nobody kidnapped me even slightly, and I seem to recall the waitress was very pretty. And then there’s the legendary Mexican engineering.
Certainly, if I ever need a heart pacemaker and there’s a choice of two models, I would always choose the one made in Mexico over the one made in, say, Switzerland.
Likewise, if someone dear to me needs an operation on their heart, I’d rather the surgeon was called Pablo than Wolfgang.
I therefore apologise unreservedly to Mexico and its people. I am truly sorry for being part of a show that called you feckless, lazy, and flatulent. You’re not.
But let me ask you this. Are you, perhaps, a bit humourless?
For decades, the French have told us Englanders that we can’t cook, the Aussies have said we don’t bathe enough and the Americans have said our teeth are rotten yellow stumps.
Meanwhile, most Italian women will explain loudly and often that they would rather get into bed with a mouse than an Englishman. Some even say it amounts to the same thing.
And that’s before we get to the Scottish, who have not said one single nice word about us since we chopped up William Wallace.
We don’t mind any of this, though, because it’ s just harmless teasing.
And because it’s harmless, we dish it out as well. When I say the French are rude, I don’t mean they are rude and I hate them and I hope they die soon.
I mean to say that they are rude and now let’s have a beer.
As an American comedian pointed out recently, Britain is the only country in the world where someone will introduce you to his best friend by saying “Have you met Billy. He’s a bit of a t***.” That’s how we are.
We even tell jokes about ourselves. Take this one from Jimmy Carr: There are only two things the English hate. Racism and foreigners.
For sure, there are calls in Britain at the moment for all offensive humour to be banned.
But what people don’t realise is that without offence, there can be no jokes.
An Englishman, Irishman and Scotsman went into a pub. There were four nuns in a plane and only one parachute. Did you hear Kate Moss went up to Jeremy Clarkson at a party. What’s red and sits in a corner?
You won’t be able to think of one joke you’ve ever heard that wouldn’t cause someone to be upset.
Let me leave you with an example.
Why doesn’t Mexico have an Olympic team? It’s because everyone there who can run, jump or swim is already across the border.
TOP GEAR Host Jeremy Clarkson Statement on Mexican Controversy | Franky Benítez
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To true.
The hard part is weeding out the ones with legitimate concerns. They're usually the ones that listen to reason, don't dismiss fact and they don't make stuff up to trash racial groups.
Kind of like the time Cannuck made up that story about the COO of NWW telling him all about how FN's were dummies when the COO's own sworn testimony to both a provincial and federal commissions, told a totally different story.
That's because they're Brits and can't handle spicy foods or women.
It's too bad that the Mexicans and Central Americans immigrating illegally to the US are the poorest, most ignorant, and least skilled of their peoples. It's also too bad that the US public school system is failing to educate them effectively. No country prospers by importing poverty and ignorance.
It can be difficult to ascertain, mostly because what gets said is often unpalatable. Anger can often be mistaken for hate, and there is a difference. Anger can be soothed, it can subside, it can be understood even if the outburst itself it not. Hate is tougher to combat, some might say impossible.
Well, and just look at him now. :roll:
And, as usual, really has nothing whatsoever to do with the conversation. Lol.
OMG. Why are we surrounded by people who are so thick???
Almost impossible, I've seen it swayed.
A babbling wreck, rocking in his office chair, mumbling "damn bears, Lolz", lolz
Actually, it does touch on the subject a little. A lot of racial hatred stems from a lack of education, and I can't think of a better example here than BL and his poor British education.
They want to feel like they belong somewhere?
Hmmm. That has me pondering on the true nature of hate. I wonder if hate is maybe an unnatural state for us, but perhaps we get trapped in it. Kind of like a drowning man that will pull you down instead of accepting help out of the water?
Sigh. Maybe I should just report his damned a$$, get him some help. :roll:
LOL. Nice connection, I can appreciate that.
Yes but always with the sticky fingers and the not letting go.
Mmmm, I don't know. A full blown, swastika tattooed, proud Aryan, KKK membership card holding mofo I can accept (not their stand, just their existence) as they are right out there and, as such, I believe influence very little.
What I find more insidious though are the concealed racist leanings of many who cover it up with bullsh1t excuses. Because they're the ones who almost sound reasonable and the ones that exert the greater influence.
Just my opinion.
Maybe. I think something like hate, real hate, can grab hold of you. I suppose much in the same way as real love can grab a hold of you. It starts off fine but eventually it's out of your control. There is no rationalizing or reasoning with it, not really.
It's powerful, like love is, but I think we're inherently averse to it. Which is probably why it doesn't happen to everyone the same as love does.
Kind of paints, for me, the indoctrination of youth by the likes of ISIS or even the Aryan Brotherhood into a bit of a new light for me. It is all very cult like isn't it?
Not everyone feels love though.
It is, but what about those that live moderately happy, comfortable lives, who suddenly run off, convert and join ISIS, or the circus as it were?
What is it that breeds that kind of hate, that you are willing to throw away a comfortable life and take up murder for sport?