Well, vegans can protest all they want as far as I'm concerned. The main reason I feel like I couldn't is because I eat meat. I'm not giving up my chicken or beef, so I can't make a big stink about some seals being hunted. Plus, I don't see why clubbing is worse that any other way we kill farmed animals. I used to think it was horrific, but when even the Canadian veterinary association says it's humane since it causes death immediately I can't argue that it's particularly barbaric.
Seal hunting tragedy diminishes Canada's image
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Un-necessary? Maybe, but necessary to the ones who provide for their families with the proceeds. There is a bigger picture that protest groups ignore for their own cause. I don't hear Paul McGoofy proposing any way to help trappers and sealers after their livelyhood is gone.
quinton said:
Un-necessary? Maybe, but necessary to the ones who provide for their families with the proceeds. There is a bigger picture that protest groups ignore for their own cause. I don't hear Paul McGoofy proposing any way to help trappers and sealers after their livelyhood is gone.
Children are starving world wide, people by the millions are dying of Aids and are being denied medical treatment, Women in some countries are being raped, beaten, and tossed aside like garbage daily. Gays can be executed for their mere existence. These issue matter to me, hunting seals doesn't.
Can you imagine the Stars male or female acually going to a third world country and doing something useful, I can't. They get involved for: Free publicity, and photo-opps, it boils down to their over bloaded Super Egos.
I said it before and I'll say it again. Where the seal hunt certainly shouldn't become a priority over homosexuals hangings, womens rights etc. Organizations that seek to limit cruelty to animals most certainly should exist. The seals aren't hunted primarily for food, they are hunted for their pelts. It's exactly the same thing when hunting elephants for their tusks.
The issue with the fish stocks is another reason being used, but why not sink a couple of Spanish fishing fleets that have drained the fish stocks more than the seals could ever hope for?
Many Canadians see this as an attack on domestic affairs from foreign organizations, that is not the case.
The issue with the fish stocks is another reason being used, but why not sink a couple of Spanish fishing fleets that have drained the fish stocks more than the seals could ever hope for?
Many Canadians see this as an attack on domestic affairs from foreign organizations, that is not the case.
Tracy, when I hear your comments I really worry about the future.
You say that it's no different than killing chickens or cows for meat.
These seals aren't being killed for meat, they are being killed for the pelts for high fashion in Paris, London, etc.
The meat is always wasted with few exceptions.
Furthermore, these are wild animals ! Chicken and cows are not wild animals. Don't you think 6.5 billion people who have already taken over much wild land and built roads through it are morally wrong to kill wild animals from remote pieces of wild land?
The people hunting seals are not doing this for their subsistence. That is one big lie. They are not eating the meat, they are using the money from killing wild animals for cable tv, hydroelectricity, pampers diapers, etc.
As for your argument that the hunt is sustainable, I strongly disagree. The government wants a huge quota so that it can collect income tax on the hunt. It's all about the money.
Remember the quota for Atlantic Cod that Fisheries Minister Brian Tobin managed so poorly he depleted the stocks which still have not recovered?
Remember Turbot fishing? Also that crashed.
There are too many people chasing too few resources.
Tracy you are unfortunately taking the view that the government wants you to take, which is to support the seal hunt.
All the government cares about is the economy and the money.
The media's argument that these people's livelihoods are at stake is a poor argument. If I sold drugs or hunted giant pandas for my livlelihood, don't you think I should move to another job?
The world is overpopulated and the pattern we are following is to leave each subsequent generation with a more impoverished planet consisting of more people.
Over half the people on earth are in poverty. We are beyond carrying capacity. Poverty also applies to the planet itself, as there is a continually declining level of biodiversity as species become extinct.
Hunting seals is not subsistence. Subsistence means producing your own food through hunting or agriculture. They are producing furs for the vanity clothing industry.
You say that it's no different than killing chickens or cows for meat.
These seals aren't being killed for meat, they are being killed for the pelts for high fashion in Paris, London, etc.
The meat is always wasted with few exceptions.
Furthermore, these are wild animals ! Chicken and cows are not wild animals. Don't you think 6.5 billion people who have already taken over much wild land and built roads through it are morally wrong to kill wild animals from remote pieces of wild land?
The people hunting seals are not doing this for their subsistence. That is one big lie. They are not eating the meat, they are using the money from killing wild animals for cable tv, hydroelectricity, pampers diapers, etc.
As for your argument that the hunt is sustainable, I strongly disagree. The government wants a huge quota so that it can collect income tax on the hunt. It's all about the money.
Remember the quota for Atlantic Cod that Fisheries Minister Brian Tobin managed so poorly he depleted the stocks which still have not recovered?
Remember Turbot fishing? Also that crashed.
There are too many people chasing too few resources.
Tracy you are unfortunately taking the view that the government wants you to take, which is to support the seal hunt.
All the government cares about is the economy and the money.
The media's argument that these people's livelihoods are at stake is a poor argument. If I sold drugs or hunted giant pandas for my livlelihood, don't you think I should move to another job?
The world is overpopulated and the pattern we are following is to leave each subsequent generation with a more impoverished planet consisting of more people.
Over half the people on earth are in poverty. We are beyond carrying capacity. Poverty also applies to the planet itself, as there is a continually declining level of biodiversity as species become extinct.
Hunting seals is not subsistence. Subsistence means producing your own food through hunting or agriculture. They are producing furs for the vanity clothing industry.
I don't like Hollywood celebrities either, but don't let that influence your position on this issue.
This is about a vanity fur fashion industry for a world population of 6.5 billion people, and it is about the government wanting more tax dollars from unsustainable harvesting of wild animals.
This won't be the first time the government overestimated populations of wild animals and underestimated the insatiable demand from the human populations.
This is about a vanity fur fashion industry for a world population of 6.5 billion people, and it is about the government wanting more tax dollars from unsustainable harvesting of wild animals.
This won't be the first time the government overestimated populations of wild animals and underestimated the insatiable demand from the human populations.
The seal hunt should be illegal for the same reason whale hunting is illegal in all but Japan and Norway.
There are simply too many humans for certain types of unecessary animal slaughtering (whales for meat, seals for fashion furs, elephants for ivory, rhinos for horns, bears for gall-bladders, etc)
There are simply too many humans for certain types of unecessary animal slaughtering (whales for meat, seals for fashion furs, elephants for ivory, rhinos for horns, bears for gall-bladders, etc)
It never ceases to amaze me how lacking of an ecological understanding Canadians are, who should have been educated as small children.
Everything is related on planet earth. Humans are using planet earth too heavily. They are harvesting resources unecessary for their survival and shipping these products to them thousands of miles. Without reducing population and economic growth we are in a collision course for a very impoverished planet with scarce resources and low biodiversity.
Everything is related on planet earth. Humans are using planet earth too heavily. They are harvesting resources unecessary for their survival and shipping these products to them thousands of miles. Without reducing population and economic growth we are in a collision course for a very impoverished planet with scarce resources and low biodiversity.
Re: RE: Seal hunting tragedy diminishes Canada's image
I LOVE this post!
Yep, our kids should be brain-washed to have only politically correct thoughts at the earliest possible age! They call it "early childhood learning" in the Liberal/NDP child-care plan.
There are MILLIONS of seals.
Leave the hunters alone, find something worthwhile to bitch about.
Mother Earth is a lot tougher than the Chicken Littles of the world would have you believe.
quinton said:
I LOVE this post!
Yep, our kids should be brain-washed to have only politically correct thoughts at the earliest possible age! They call it "early childhood learning" in the Liberal/NDP child-care plan.
There are MILLIONS of seals.
Leave the hunters alone, find something worthwhile to bitch about.
Mother Earth is a lot tougher than the Chicken Littles of the world would have you believe.
Colpy, no skin off your nose when a new species makes it to the extinct list, eh?
Children are being brainwashed already to join the rat-race and compete for high paying jobs and that the North American lifestyle of economic growth is the holy grail.
I won't get into this but there are many examples I have seen.
I believe children should be open-minded critical thinkers that are encouraged to challenge authority.
Too many people don't seem to think for themselves, and they don't have time to because they are wrapped up in their job which dumbs them down and supports an unsustainable growing economy filled with "driver ants".
Children are raised to be "driver ants" in schools for the most part. They are raised to compete for jobs by getting high marks, getting into prestigious universities, and then making a lot of money.
Even science has become all about the money. How often is scientific research in taxonomy or basic understanding of flora and fauna funded for its own sake, and not for some economic gain?
Children are being brainwashed already to join the rat-race and compete for high paying jobs and that the North American lifestyle of economic growth is the holy grail.
I won't get into this but there are many examples I have seen.
I believe children should be open-minded critical thinkers that are encouraged to challenge authority.
Too many people don't seem to think for themselves, and they don't have time to because they are wrapped up in their job which dumbs them down and supports an unsustainable growing economy filled with "driver ants".
Children are raised to be "driver ants" in schools for the most part. They are raised to compete for jobs by getting high marks, getting into prestigious universities, and then making a lot of money.
Even science has become all about the money. How often is scientific research in taxonomy or basic understanding of flora and fauna funded for its own sake, and not for some economic gain?
Economic growth has become the goal in itself and not a means to an end.
ECONOMIC GROWTH
= POPULATION GROWTH * CONSUMPTION GROWTH
ENIVRONMENTAL DEGRADATION
= POPULATION GROWTH * CONSUMPTION GROWTH
You asked for this, and that is what you get. Unless a steady state economy is the new goal, all the world's resources will be plundered beyond repair.
ECONOMIC GROWTH
= POPULATION GROWTH * CONSUMPTION GROWTH
ENIVRONMENTAL DEGRADATION
= POPULATION GROWTH * CONSUMPTION GROWTH
You asked for this, and that is what you get. Unless a steady state economy is the new goal, all the world's resources will be plundered beyond repair.
A better question would be:
Do I wear vanity fashion fur clothing made out of seal pelts or other wild animal pelts that were harvested for only the fur?
The answer is no to both questions. So what is your point.
I am not saying killing any animal from a fly to a whale is always wrong.
I am saying that humans must be careful about what wild animals they allow legal mass hunting on. If they allow hunting of whales, pandas, seals, wolves, lemurs, jaguars, leopards, cheetahs, how long do you think it will be before we get some terrible extinctions?
The Tazmanian Tiger was hunted to extinction.
So was the Arabian Gazelle, Spanish Wolf, Toolache Wallaby, Sea Mink, and I could list thousands of mammals alone.
Do you really think resource harvesting for vanity or luxury (diamonds, seal pelts, etc) should be allowed?
Do I wear vanity fashion fur clothing made out of seal pelts or other wild animal pelts that were harvested for only the fur?
The answer is no to both questions. So what is your point.
I am not saying killing any animal from a fly to a whale is always wrong.
I am saying that humans must be careful about what wild animals they allow legal mass hunting on. If they allow hunting of whales, pandas, seals, wolves, lemurs, jaguars, leopards, cheetahs, how long do you think it will be before we get some terrible extinctions?
The Tazmanian Tiger was hunted to extinction.
So was the Arabian Gazelle, Spanish Wolf, Toolache Wallaby, Sea Mink, and I could list thousands of mammals alone.
Do you really think resource harvesting for vanity or luxury (diamonds, seal pelts, etc) should be allowed?