Seal hunting tragedy diminishes Canada's image

[quinton]

Who should make that limit?

The government?

Isn't that a conflict of interest since the government wants to increase revenue from taxation via the hunter's incomes?

 

[nelk]

Where is the "tragedy" in this hunt?
Where is the irreparable loss to nature?
Reproductive rate and recovery have not suffered despite regular annual hunts.
Even if the carcasses are left on the ice, there are eager members of the foodchain waiting to cleanup

All you bleeding hart dogooders refocus on something useful.

Such as what the human overpopulation (>6.5 bill peoples and growing) will do to neighbourly kindness(or not).
Allready "human" using worst things than hooked clubs to hunt
fellow man!

Remember: God said go forth and fill the earth!
He did'nt say "overfill"!

 

[JonB2004]

RE: Seal hunting tragedy

Alright, you make a good point there. Maybe we should have the animal rights groups make the limits.

 

[quinton]

nelk, it has been my policy to never try to reason with a Christian.

I will not make an exception for you. You are on your own, so good luck with your "faith" in your big-daddy in the sky who will forgive you for an unlimited number of sins.

Maybe you should pray for some wisdom.

If you had any, you wouldn't believe in things that lack evidence.

Go research the seal numbers. http://www.harpseals.org/

Do you want the seals to go the way of the cod?

 

[Sassylassie]

Quinton; Fact not Fiction: Seals are harvested for more than their pelts. Oh yes they are, have you heard of Seal Oil or Blubber Oil high in many vitimens and a good source of energy. It can also be burned as a source of fuel. It's also used in capsule form for Arthritis, it lubes the joints. Then there is the flippers which NFL and others eat, yes I said EAT. The Seal meat is often canned or put in jars to EAT. The Seal Hunt is not about Fur Coats, it's much more diverse than that. Have you heard of the Evolution? Eat or be Eaten.

 

[quinton]

Sassylassie, seals can be used for many things besides their pelts, but they are being wasted by the hunters.

Did the government make it illegal to discard the seal carcass?

Nope.

Do the hunters discard the carcass in a hurry so they can get another quick $70 from another pelt?

Yes.

Read up.

 

[Sassylassie]

I don't need to "Read Up" I lived in NFL for Five years and I have family in Labrador, I've seen the hunt. As for Carcuses, there are many birds that will devour those. The Native also make carvings out of the bones of the Seals, I don't need to watch propaganda from the Holly Weird Crowd. It's back to Evolution, eat or be eaten. Do you know how a Lobster is Cooked? Alive screaming as you put it into the hot water and it tries to claw it's way out of the pot. Some days your the wind shield some days your the bug. Man kind would be better served if they spent a little time reflecting of the suffering of those in the world that we can help.

 

[Said1]

Re: RE: Seal hunting tragedy diminishes Canada's image

It never ceases to amaze me how lacking of an ecological understanding Canadians are, who should have been educated as small children.

Nice broooooooooooaaaaaaaaddd generalization.

Everything is related on planet earth. Humans are using planet earth too heavily. They are harvesting resources unecessary for their survival and shipping these products to them thousands of miles. Without reducing population and economic growth we are in a collision course for a very impoverished planet with scarce resources and low biodiversity.

Mathus and Lovelock rock.

 

[Said1]

Re: RE: Seal hunting tragedy diminishes Canada's image

nelk, it has been my policy to never try to reason with a Christian.

I will not make an exception for you. You are on your own, so good luck with your "faith" in your big-daddy in the sky who will forgive you for an unlimited number of sins.

Maybe you should pray for some wisdom.

If you had any, you wouldn't believe in things that lack evidence.

Go research the seal numbers. http://www.harpseals.org/

Do you want the seals to go the way of the cod?

I'm just wondering where the numbers the site is claiming came from? Is there a link to those stats at the site, and I missed it? One of the "fact" links didn't work either.

 

[Sassylassie]

It's a link to Pamela's fan forum, just kidding.

 

[Said1]

It's a link to Pamela's fan forum, just kidding.

Probably something to do with her boobs and how her implants contain NO animal products. Teehee.

 

[Sassylassie]

I often wonder what she would look like with out fake eye-lashes, her fake hair piece (no boys that's not her real hair) her two tons of make-up and of course her man made boobies (I don't mean man made by daddy). Yowza, it wouldn't be pleasant.

 

[Said1]

I often wonder what she would look like with out fake eye-lashes, her fake hair piece (no boys that's not her real hair) her two tons of make-up and of course her man made boobies (I don't mean man made by daddy). Yowza, it wouldn't be pleasant.

What!? Her hair and eyelashes are fake!?
8O

Come on Sassy, now you're just being catty. :lol:

 

[Sassylassie]

Nope she wears fake eye lashes and a crown hair piece on her head. Now that I've mention it look at the back of her head and you'll see it. Caddy, hell no. I couldn't care that load on a good day.

 

[zoofer]

Re: RE: Seal hunting tragedy diminishes Canada's image

Tracy, when I hear your comments I really worry about the future.

You say that it's no different than killing chickens or cows for meat.

These seals aren't being killed for meat, they are being killed for the pelts for high fashion in Paris, London, etc.

The meat is always wasted with few exceptions.

Furthermore, these are wild animals ! Chicken and cows are not wild animals. Don't you think 6.5 billion people who have already taken over much wild land and built roads through it are morally wrong to kill wild animals from remote pieces of wild land?

The people hunting seals are not doing this for their subsistence. That is one big lie. They are not eating the meat, they are using the money from killing wild animals for cable tv, hydroelectricity, pampers diapers, etc.

As for your argument that the hunt is sustainable, I strongly disagree. The government wants a huge quota so that it can collect income tax on the hunt. It's all about the money.

Remember the quota for Atlantic Cod that Fisheries Minister Brian Tobin managed so poorly he depleted the stocks which still have not recovered?

Remember Turbot fishing? Also that crashed.

There are too many people chasing too few resources.

Tracy you are unfortunately taking the view that the government wants you to take, which is to support the seal hunt.

All the government cares about is the economy and the money.

The media's argument that these people's livelihoods are at stake is a poor argument. If I sold drugs or hunted giant pandas for my livlelihood, don't you think I should move to another job?

The world is overpopulated and the pattern we are following is to leave each subsequent generation with a more impoverished planet consisting of more people.

Over half the people on earth are in poverty. We are beyond carrying capacity. Poverty also applies to the planet itself, as there is a continually declining level of biodiversity as species become extinct.

Hunting seals is not subsistence. Subsistence means producing your own food through hunting or agriculture. They are producing furs for the vanity clothing industry.

No that is not Tracy laughing. It is Yolanda.

 

[quinton]

Sassielassie, yeah the seal meat won't get wasted since sea-gulls will eat the rotting carcasses.

So why don't we just kill off all the cheetahs for their pelts and let the vultures eat the meat?

The point is that we are corrupting a remote wilderness in the name of the vanity fur fashion industry.

 

[Sassylassie]

That is your interpretation not mine. I support the Seal Hunt. I'd rather foster a couple of Children in Africa, a worthy cause.

 

[quinton]

Well screw this I am in a room of airheads who'd rather gossip about stupid celebrities than really address the world's environmental problems.

This is my last post here. Goodbye.

 

[Said1]

Re: RE: Seal hunting tragedy diminishes Canada's image

Well screw this I am in a room of airheads who'd rather gossip about stupid celebrities than really address the world's environmental problems.

This is my last post here. Goodbye.

I said

'Malthus and Lovelock rock'

What more do you want?

Plus, I asked a VERY legitimate question. I see you've taken the time to address NOTHING.

 

[FiveParadox]

quinton, don't feel bound to leave because of off-topic comments; a discussion can always be brought back onto topic by a few dedicated posters. In relation to the seal hunt, however, I think we may disagree on this issue, with all due respect.

I support the seal hunt, insofar as the appropriate authorities and entities can prove — within reason — that the populations are, in fact, in excess, and that these populations would pose a threat to fish stocks and other forms of life in the area if left unculled. I do think that there is an appropriate way to go about this hunt though, and perhaps some hunters have deviated from the appropriate method, but I would agree with the hunt in principle. These seals are not endangered.