Scott Walker signs restrictive abortion bill in Wisconsin

[Machjo]

As far as law and constitution is concerned a human does not exist until it is registered as a person by issuing a birth certificate.
As far as I'm concerned none of it matters. I do not live under the delusion that humans are more important than any other life form, so abortion is not an issue for me. The only issue for me is people interfering in the life of others when it is none of their business.

So do you believe it has human rights once a birth certificate is issued?

Also, if you value human life so little, then at least you're consistent and see no difference whether it's killed before or after birth, at least until a birth certificate is issued.

Or did I miss something here?

 

[Cliffy]

The Human exists Cliffy the Person does not.

So why do you get your sh*t in a knot over the environment, the life it supports and the people who earn a living from natural resources?

Any other contradictions you'd like to reveal?

I am concerned about all life, not just human life. Humans are destroying the planet and killing off thousands of species in their greed and malice. Why should I be concerned about a woman having an abortion. To me the issue is all about the massive ego of humanity taking and killing for its own short sighted gain. The less people at this point the better for all the rest of life.

 

[PoliticalNick]

and what does the bumper sticker council to have done? It sure as hell isn't give them all a high 5.

I know your mind is far to closed and wrapped around your own personal beliefs being forced onto all other people to get the joke and see the irony (do you even know what irony is?) but maybe you should try, just for a few seconds. I know it will make your head explode but most of us that want freedom are okay with that.

 

[petros]

It has the Rights of a Person once paperwork is signed but always has Human rights inutero and post birth.

 

[gerryh]

I know your mind is far to closed and wrapped around your own personal beliefs being forced onto all other people to get the joke and see the irony (do you even know what irony is?) but maybe you should t.ry, just for a few seconds. I know it will make your head explode but most of us that want freedom are okay with that.

he's already made it perfectly clear his disdain for human life, you can stop putting your foot in your mouth

 

[PoliticalNick]

Yes, I know, I'm a d!ckhead for not wanting to see anyone killed...... with that being the case, I wear the monicker proudly.

Wrong as usual G. You're a d*ckhead for trying to force your beliefs onto other people.

 

[petros]

I am concerned about all life, not just human life. Humans are destroying the planet and killing off thousands of species in their greed and malice. Why should I be concerned about a woman having an abortion. To me the issue is all about the massive ego of humanity taking and killing for its own short sighted gain. The less people at this point the better for all the rest of life.

ALL life is killing the planet. That is what life does. We are just part of it.

 

[Machjo]

I am concerned about all life, not just human life. Humans are destroying the planet and killing off thousands of species in their greed and malice. Why should I be concerned about a woman having an abortion. To me the issue is all about the massive ego of humanity taking and killing for its own short sighted gain. The less people at this point the better for all the rest of life.

So abstaining and using contraceptives might be a good thing then. But otherwise, according to your logic, if a parent changed their mind about their 2-year-old, good riddance since he's a burden and nothing more.

Or did I miss something. I'm just trying to understand.

ALL life is killing the planet. That is what life does. We are just part of it.

I disagree. It's all about balance.

 

[gerryh]

I am concerned about all life, not just human life.

Why should I be concerned about a woman having an abortion. The less people at this point the better for all the rest of life.

You don't see the contradiction here?

 

[petros]

So do you believe it has human rights once a birth certificate is issued?

Also, if you value human life so little, then at least you're consistent and see no difference whether it's killed before or after birth, at least until a birth certificate is issued.

Or did I miss something here

It has the Rights of a Person once paperwork is signed but always has Human rights inutero and post birth

 

[PoliticalNick]

yeah and that often happens to the babies in our society too... who cares what happens after they are born, just so long as they arrive on planet earth

...and are indoctrinated into the unholy roman catholic church. Don't forget that part.

 

[Machjo]

It has the Rights of a Person once paperwork is signed but always has Human rights inutero and post birth

So if it has human rights as of the moment it is scientifically considered a living human being, should it not have a constitutional right to life from then onward?

 

[petros]

I disagree. It's all about balance.

It's not off balance though.

 

[PoliticalNick]

It has the Rights of a Person once paperwork is signed but always has Human rights inutero and post birth

According to the law of Canada yes. You have an issue with that write a letter to your MP. Petition parliament to make a change. They are far too busy stealing our money to line their own pockets to care but go ahead and try.

 

[petros]

So if it has human rights as of the moment it is scientifically considered a living human being, should it not have a constitutional right to life from then onward?

Constitutional Rights only apply to Persons. Human Rights are universal. As I've stated repeatedly, abortion is a very very flimsy "right" afforded to persons.

 

[Cliffy]

So do you believe it has human rights once a birth certificate is issued?

Also, if you value human life so little, then at least you're consistent and see no difference whether it's killed before or after birth, at least until a birth certificate is issued.

Or did I miss something here?

Ya, you missed the point completely. The law and the constitution does not deal with humans. They deal with legal persons, which are fabrications, chattel of the corporation. They don't care if you murder a human, they are concerned that you destroyed one of their assets. A fetus is not an asset yet because it is not a human or a person yet. I have no concern for any man made nonsense. I have no attachment to individual life forms, just the sum total of all life forms and the health of the planet, our Mother.

 

[petros]

People can and do get charged for harming a fetus Cliffy.

 

[gerryh]

Ya, you missed the point completely. The law and the constitution does not deal with humans. They deal with legal persons, which are fabrications, chattel of the corporation. They don't care if you murder a human, they are concerned that you destroyed one of their assets. A fetus is not an asset yet because it is not a human or a person yet. I have no concern for any man made nonsense. I have no attachment to individual life forms, just the sum total of all life forms and the health of the planet, our Mother.

so you have no problem with the likes of Paul Bernardo, Clifford Olson, or mothers who kill their baby's.

 

[petros]

John Andrew Welden Accused Of Killing Girlfriend's Fetus By Trickery

so you have no problem with the likes of Paul Bernardo, Clifford Olson, or mothers who kill their baby's.

Murder is good.

 

[Machjo]

Then cliffy, if you really don't care about human rights, there is no point debating further since we stand on such opposite sides of the debate. Peace be upon you.