Sask. fields grow jet biofuel

petros

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Yeah, lets grow jet fuel instead of food. **** the starving, I want to fly to Jamaica with ego-friendly jet fuels.

The seeds for a new kind of jet biofuel are being grown right here in Saskatchewan.

Biojet flight tests are currently taking place in Ottawa using a fuel blend derived from Agrisoma's Brassica carinata variety Resonance.
The project is a collaboration with Agrisoma, the National Research Council, Honeywell UOP Inc. and Saskatoon's Genome Prairie-led Prairie Gold project.

Resonance, an oil feedstock, was grown near Kincaid in the summer of 2011.

Brassica carinata (Ethiopian mustard) is drought and heat tolerant and can be grown in areas not suited for canola, for instance, said Mejda Lortie, Agrisoma's director of regulatory and government affairs.

"It is a tough cookie," she said. "It can grow in poorer soils or soil that doesn't have the characteristics that would support, for example, canola production."

Doug Heath, project manager with Genome Prairie, said the carinata and also camalina are being developed for industrial uses.
Both are oilseeds and non-food crops.

"The goal is to grow both of these crops down in the Palliser Triangle area where traditionally canola wasn't always a guaranteed crop," Heath said. "Even though right now it takes a few more days to mature compared to canola, that's fine down in southern Saskatchewan and southern Alberta.

The goal is to have a more ego-friendly fuel.

The test flights, conducted in partnership with the National Research Council of Canada (NRC) in Ottawa with funding from the Government of Canada's Clean Transportation Initiatives, will evaluate the Resonance-based biojet fuel under a number of flight conditions to provide the world's first ever real-time, inflight emissions measurements for a biojet fuel.

The tests are being done with a 50/50 blend of carinata jet fuel and petroleum based fuel which is being used in a modified Falcon 20 twin-engined jet. A T-33 chase plane equipped to measure inflight emissions while flying in formation will monitor emissions in real time at altitude.

"It's not just a jet engine on the ground making extrapolations on," Heath said. "It's actually measuring what's coming out of the jet as it's flying."

"We all assume there is a reduction in greenhouse gases emissions, but nobody has really measured it in the atmosphere," Lortie added. "This program is the first one that will using our jet fuel will be able to measure the emissions during a flight."

The test flights are expected to be completed by early June and they will analyze the results.

If they get positive results Lortie said they will be looking to scale up production in the coming years.

"It is expanding the portfolio of some growers, especially in the southern parts of Saskatchewan, giving them an alternative to leaving their land on fallow," she said.
 

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Many poor people in the world starve because they don't want to work, fact is, they are lazy. Africa has much better weather than Canada, yet we produce large amounts of food. Libya, imports all its food because they have oil. Asia and Africa have peasants that want to keep their unproductive land and tribal ifestyles, so many starve when famne comes. Why doesn't Canada have famines? It's not luck.

In Canada, there are Indians who don't want to work and they get paid for it. Doesn't happen to me. Politics rules economics. Get a law in your favour like the Indian Act, a new race is created and you can get money. Although, the old treaties, from 1763, say, don't actually mention billions of dollars. The Indian Act however doesn't help that many rank and file Indians as their education is so low they are unemployable and can't learn to get ahead.
 

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Many poor people in the world starve because they don't want to work, fact is, they are lazy. Africa has much better weather than Canada, yet we produce large amounts of food. Libya, imports all its food because they have oil. Asia and Africa have peasants that want to keep their unproductive land and tribal ifestyles, so many starve when famne comes. Why doesn't Canada have famines? It's not luck.

In Canada, there are Indians who don't want to work and they get paid for it. Doesn't happen to me. Politics rules economics. Get a law in your favour like the Indian Act, a new race is created and you can get money. Although, the old treaties, from 1763, say, don't actually mention billions of dollars. The Indian Act however doesn't help that many rank and file Indians as their education is so low they are unemployable and can't learn to get ahead.
No one starves out of laziness. Some African farm laborers work 16 hours a day in the hot sun. I don't think I could survive what I've seen these people do.

Food insecurity and famine could be a result of natural factors (drought) or policies (government sells communal land to corporation and evicts the inhabitants eking out a living by subsistence farming... and now they can't feed themselves)
I suggest you read up on the problems faced by some people in poverty stricken areas living on the edge of life and death:
New Security Beat: Taming Hunger in Ethiopia: The Role of Population Dynamics Laurie Mazur for the Wilson Center
 

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If you want to put the land back to food production say hemp is the best crop to grow for the fuel.

Wouldn't we be better off with mag-lev trains for all continental travel of people, each in their own little pod so if they fart only they get to smell it. Any explosion in the pod just sends it into the ground at high speed, all other nearby-pods go up and deploy a chute. You and your luggage get cuffed together at the start so it is in your pod and each pod cannot be looked into or out of but you must be able to drive upon arrival.

The reason for the alternative is, ........ are you sure people are going to even want to fly if security needs keep increasing also? Trains are the next best thing for mass transit.

Why go ape-**** over eco friendly fuel anyway when they have enough chem-trail planes available to undo 20 years of eco friendly travel with just one tank.
The place to star saving fuel is in it's production phases, especially fertilizers and redundant passes over the crops for a variety of reasons.

No one starves out of laziness. Some African farm laborers work 16 hours a day in the hot sun. I don't think I could survive what I've seen these people do.
Do what we do, give one guy an air-conditioned tractor and 1600 people sit in the shade and talk and 'do things not associated with survival'. Are tractors scarce or do we not want the intellectual challenge that would come with more people having time to input on the 'finer things in life'?
 

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How did questioning the ethics of growing fuel over food turn into a discussion
about how lazy Indians and people in the third world are? Oh dumpthemonarchy
saw the bi line> I think there is a bigger problem here. Growing food should be
the number one priority agreed. The problem is people in this country don't want
to pay for food. They think it should be cheap and plentiful. People are willing to
pay for whiskey, tires, homes, new cars, tickets to sporting events and hundreds
of other items especially phones, note pads and God knows what else. Food?
Food should be cheap, farmers should work twelve, fourteen hours or more a day
for little or no pay. I have bad news, farmers have subsidized consumers for far
too long. The food crops of the future could see more profitable uses. the nice
thing is farmers can grow enough for themselves and families and make fuel or
booze out of the rest. For consumers we are less than ten years from facing the
reality that food is going to be a priority and the increased costs will reflect that.
 

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How did questioning the ethics of growing fuel over food turn into a discussion
about how lazy Indians and people in the third world are? Oh dumpthemonarchy
saw the bi line> I think there is a bigger problem here. Growing food should be
the number one priority agreed. The problem is people in this country don't want
to pay for food. They think it should be cheap and plentiful. People are willing to
pay for whiskey, tires, homes, new cars, tickets to sporting events and hundreds
of other items especially phones, note pads and God knows what else. Food?
Food should be cheap, farmers should work twelve, fourteen hours or more a day
for little or no pay. I have bad news, farmers have subsidized consumers for far
too long. The food crops of the future could see more profitable uses. the nice
thing is farmers can grow enough for themselves and families and make fuel or
booze out of the rest. For consumers we are less than ten years from facing the
reality that food is going to be a priority and the increased costs will reflect that.

It's time for home gardens and chicken in the backyards for urban dwellers.

It's time for people to go out to farm country to buy their food.

The middlemen and big supermarkets drive up the cost of food.

It's time to contract out farmers to grow and raise our food supply to keep our food cheap.

It's time to start food co-ops and buying clubs in urban areas as well.

 

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In Canada, there are Indians who don't want to work and they get paid for it. Doesn't happen to me. Politics rules economics. Get a law in your favour like the Indian Act, a new race is created and you can get money. Although, the old treaties, from 1763, say, don't actually mention billions of dollars. The Indian Act however doesn't help that many rank and file Indians as their education is so low they are unemployable and can't learn to get ahead.

May I ask what this has to do with the topic at hand?
 

petros

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It's time for home gardens and chicken in the backyards for urban dwellers.

It's time for people to go out to farm country to buy their food.

The middlemen and big supermarkets drive up the cost of food.

It's time to contract out farmers to grow and raise our food supply to keep our food cheap.

It's time to start food co-ops and buying clubs in urban areas as well.
Shop CO-OP!

 

damngrumpy

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I don't want food to be cheap, I want to get paid a decent price for the crop I grow.
I pay top dollar for tires, for phones, cloths etc. I pay for welders and mechanics
they are not cheap so why should food be cheap? In other parts of the world the
price percentage of paycheck is much higher.
I am for quality food, I am for an abundant safe supply of food but not cheap food.
The whole notion about the farm gardens and urban approach is not practical and
that is evident. In the next twenty years urban living will see building going higher
not spread out and back yard chickens won't be part of the equation.
The supermarkets are a problem now, but governments of the last half century
have endorsed a cheap food policy. The problem is its cheap for consumers but
farmers face ever increasing costs and less and less return. In BC for example
just quit farming is not an option. Farmland here goes for 60 to 100 thousand
dollars an acre. One has to keep farming to pay the mortgage and the expenses.
Forget subdividing as well there is a land reserve for farming so you can't just
build on it. Nope its time the consumer bought less apple phones and paid for
their food like the rest of the world. One of the best cures would be supply management
in all sectors, that way the farmer would get his share.
 

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No one starves out of laziness. Some African farm laborers work 16 hours a day in the hot sun. I don't think I could survive what I've seen these people do.

Food insecurity and famine could be a result of natural factors (drought) or policies (government sells communal land to corporation and evicts the inhabitants eking out a living by subsistence farming... and now they can't feed themselves)
I suggest you read up on the problems faced by some people in poverty stricken areas living on the edge of life and death:
New Security Beat: Taming Hunger in Ethiopia: The Role of Population Dynamics Laurie Mazur for the Wilson Center

Plenty of people have starved out of laziness in the past, that's why they had famines. Famines occur when subsistence farmers grow just enough food to live, to get by year by year. When there isn't enough food, the youngest and weakest are left to die, usually women and children. You think a man with three wives is going to let himself die when food is short? No, family members are sold off when needed.

Ireland had a famine in the mid 19th century, not becauses they were lazy but because one crop failed, potato, they did not diversity and paid for it. But they were mainly peasants, Karl Marx said that, economically, the death of hundreds of thousands of Irish had no effect on capitalism. They were marginal people the world economy shrugged off. Millions have died in African famins over the decades and no has noticed.

Right now South Africa wants to do land distribution to blacks who feel attached to the land, but find the value of land drops and they lose out to modern corporations. What we can do so easily here, is politically impossible in other countries.
 

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May I ask what this has to do with the topic at hand?

Because growing food to us is just another business and while growing plants for fuel can be a questionable practice if you think Canada's priority should be to feed the word. This discussion devolvesi nto feeding the poor, that is what some focus on. I heard some aboriginals talk on the radio who are against the Northern Gateway pipeline by saying, "The land provides for us, we don't need a pipeline." Well supported people who don't live off the land any more, but by taxpayers. Such pre-modern people do nothing to increase the food or energy supply, but they have a good political deal in Canada that allows them to act this way.

Canada is quite cold and has bad weather, and we still grow plenty of food, and have enough land left over to grow energy. Africa has great weather and has trouble feeding itself due to the resistance of pre-modern people.

You're ****ed up dumpy. Big time.

Landfill. Fail. I'm sending a flotilla of B-52s your way.