Saints Alive! It's Brother André!

Dexter Sinister

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the universe, the living things, humans, the human brain, the rainbow, the love, hope and charity that decent people posess are nothing but the dumb luck, random result of blind evolution...
Nobody who knows anything about evolution would present such a dumb misrepresentation of it and think he's scored a cogent point.
 

YukonJack

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Nobody who knows anything about evolution would present such a dumb misrepresentation of it and think he's scored a cogent point.

So, tell me how come there is something as marvellous as the HUMAN BRAIN (with the possible exception of died-in-the-wool, blind evolutionists) come about without a design?

You can dismiss any argument you don't like with condescending and patronizing nonsense, but you seem to fall short on facts. And your leap of faith is a Hell of a lot longer - not to mention less reasonable - than mine.
 

Dexter Sinister

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Your ignorance is showing again, YJ. I'm not going to hijack this thread by debating evolution with you, there are other threads to talk about that in, but evolution is not random and postulating a designer is neither necessary nor useful to it.
 

YukonJack

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So, Dexter Sinister, we are finished.

I leave on the high note, because I had the dignity and honesty not call you names and call your views ignorant.
 

Dexter Sinister

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So, Dexter Sinister, we are finished.

I leave on the high note, because I had the dignity and honesty not call you names and call your views ignorant.
Looks low to me. I doubt we're finished, you seldom miss an opportunity to take a cheap shot at people who disagree with you. And don't flatter yourself by lying. How was I meant to take this: "marvellous as the HUMAN BRAIN (with the possible exception of died-in-the-wool, blind evolutionists)," that evolutionists are blind and possibly have no brains? Looks pretty much like name calling to me. And your views on evolution ARE ignorant, you don't understand enough about it to have an informed opinion. That's just a fact. So is evolution.
 

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Looks low to me. I doubt we're finished, you seldom miss an opportunity to take a cheap shot at people who disagree with you. And don't flatter yourself by lying. How was I meant to take this: "marvellous as the HUMAN BRAIN (with the possible exception of died-in-the-wool, blind evolutionists)," that evolutionists are blind and possibly have no brains? Looks pretty much like name calling to me. And your views on evolution ARE ignorant, you don't understand enough about it to have an informed opinion. That's just a fact. So is evolution.

"Forgive him, Dexter, he knows not what he says!"

André should be a model for all, archbishop Turcotte says
 

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Actually, Cliffy, atheists are so politically active, because they know that they CAN BE.

If anyone, i.e. a person of faith, were as offensive and abrasive towards atheists as you are towards those who don't think that the universe, the living things, humans, the human brain, the rainbow, the love, hope and charity that decent people posess are nothing but the dumb luck, random result of blind evolution, would be banned, with you cheering and jeering and clapping in the background.

Atheists deride people of faith for prostelyzation, while they themselves never fail to grab any and all oportunity to promote and prostelyze the most vile religion, atheism.

A watch, no matter how well made does not have to understand its watchmaker, just as you or I don't have to understand who created us.

Show me a watch that evolved from the primal mud, without thought or design.

Woe! Struck a nerve, did I? I am not an atheist (once again) but I am an ex-Catholic. I can understand creation and evolution. To me it is not either/or. That black and white reality is reserved for those who are stuck in one dogma or another.

Perhaps its time for a little anger management, Jack.
 

coldstream

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It was a beautiful ceremony. I saw it on the French CBC, since the English network all but ignored it.

I'll agree with cliffy on one thing. I'm not a big admirer of the architecture of St. Joseph's Oratory.. which has all the arrogance and exclusivity of the Quebec Church during its nationalistic phase in the first half of the 20th Century and none of the humility and inclusiveness of Br. Andre.

You get a better sense of the man on the interior, with its rows of discarded canes. Prayer, and the intercession of the saints, does work, despite all the efforts of modern culture to discredit or ignore it.
 
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Dexter Sinister

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Whole thing seems bogus to me. The Vatican's definition of what constitutes a miracle in this context is pretty vague and actually describes events that happen regularly, "an act of healing inexplicable in the light of present medical science." Inexplicable things happen all the time. People suddenly wake up from comas, cancers go into spontaneous remission, people survive apparently devastating injuries, with and without intercessory prayer. It's a big jump from "we don't know" to "Brother André did it."