Russia and China

[Johnnny]

I've always wondered why we in the "West" have always treated China better than Russia.

There seem to be more similarities between the two and differences and yet we treat China with more respect than i feel their government deserves.

China and Russia both have "dictators"
China and Russia both hack our computers and steal technology or influence politics
China and Russia both have aggressive expansionism policies. Crimea for Russia and South China Sea for China
China and Russia both have atrocious human rights records
etc...

Our leaders get all submissive around China and yet puff their chests out at Russia. It just seems hypocritical in my opinion.

Why do you guys think we are more cordial to China than Russia?

 

[darkbeaver]

Johnnny;2602440]I've always wondered why we in the "West" have always treated China better than Russia.

Chinese trade huge.

There seem to be more similarities between the two and differences and yet we treat China with more respect than i feel their government deserves.

Chinese trade huge

China and Russia both have "dictators"

Absolutly incorrect.

China and Russia both hack our computers and steal technology or influence politics

Every other nation with internet does as well.

China and Russia both have aggressive expansionism policies. Crimea for Russia and South China Sea for China

Crimea voted 90 per cent for Russian rule, and that sea is called the South China sea for a very sound geographical reason.

China and Russia both have atrocious human rights records

Neither country has even a fraction of the blood on thier hands as for instance the USA or Great Britian
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Our leaders get all submissive around China and yet puff their chests out at Russia. It just seems hypocritical in my opinion.

Chinese trade huge

Why do you guys think we are more cordial to China than Russia?

Chinese trade huge.

 

[bill barilko]

A couple reasons

-The Communist revolution of 1917 ended up dumping a lot of sullen ripped off people in the West and they never forgot it.

-Russians defeated Nazi Germany and the West has always hated them for showing up their own weakness & inadequacy.

 

[Hoid]

China has always been inward looking while Russia has always been an imperial aggressor

 

[Danbones]

Yes defending countries that invite you in is so aggressive.

You smoking that afghani heroin or libyan gold today or what?

 

[darkbeaver]

THOUGHT FOR THE DAY!

"What would have happened if millions of American and British people, struggling with coupons and lines at the gas stations, had learned that in 1942 Standard Oil of New Jersey [part of the Rockefeller empire] managers shipped the enemy's fuel through neutral Switzerland and that the enemy was shipping Allied fuel? Suppose the public had discovered that the Chase Bank in Nazi-occupied Paris after Pearl Harbor was doing millions of dollars' worth of business with the enemy with the full knowledge of the head office in Manhattan [the Rockefeller family among others?] Or that Ford trucks were being built for the German occupation troops in France with authorization from Dearborn, Michigan? Or that Colonel Sosthenes Behn, the head of the international American telephone conglomerate ITT, flew from New York to Madrid to Berne during the war to help improve Hitler's communications systems and improve the robot bombs that devastated London? Or that ITT built the FockeWulfs that dropped bombs on British and American troops? Or that crucial ball bearings were shipped to Nazi-associated customers in Latin America with the collusion of the vice-chairman of the U.S. War Production Board in partnership with Goering's cousin in Philadelphia when American forces were desperately short of them? Or that such arrangements were known about in Washington and either sanctioned or deliberately ignored?" -- Charles Higham, researcher, about U.S.-Nazi collaboration during WWII

www.whatreallyhappened.com/#axzz3xew6CPdz​

 

[Danbones]

So now it's obvious hoid fully supports russia's enemies like ISUS.

like all the hitlaree-ites

Not to mention complete liars like the British Pie rimiter MAY.

 

[darkbeaver]

China has always been inward looking while Russia has always been an imperial aggressor

Void, you are consistantly associated with misinformation, China circumnavigated the globe before Columbus was out of diapers and Russia has almost zip for a record of Imperial agression when compared to France, Brittian or the USA. Always is a gross exageration especially since always is a time so long nobody can even guess at a number.

So now it's obvious hoid fully supports russia's enemies like ISUS.

like all the hitlaree-ites

Not to mention complete liars like the British Pie rimiter MAY.

Void is an dangerous (to himself) SJW agitator.

 

[Danbones]

Yes, but if his side wins, the first thing they will do is put glasses on him and shoot him first.

ooops...I spilled the plan...sorry, I just read some history books.

 

[darkbeaver]

So now it's obvious hoid fully supports russia's enemies like ISUS.

like all the hitlaree-ites

Not to mention complete liars like the British Pie rimiter MAY.

My god that woman is evil. She is fully prepared to incite WW3 despite the cost in the lives of millions upon millions of people. A psycopath of rare inhumanity.

Yes, but if his side wins, the first thing they will do is put glasses on him and shoot him first.

ooops...I spilled the plan...sorry, I just read some history books.

His unexpected but earned reward. I don,t think improved vision will help him, he,ll just see things wrong more clearly.

Russian military prevent suicide bombings in Syria's Eastern Ghouta

By: Stacy Vassman
Tags:

• RUSSIA/UKRAINE
• SYRIA

Russian military have cut short attempted suicide bombings on busses carrying refugees in Eastern Ghouta, Syria, Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu said on Thursday at a meeting with UN Secretary General's special envoy for Syria, Staffan de Mistura. "We get information from ordinary people every day," he said. "We received a report on provocations involving suicide bomber belts four days ago. It suggested the suicide bombers would be placed to the busses carrying the refugees." "Unfortunately, this data proved to be correct," Shoigu said. He indicated that the Russian military had managed to remove seven belts from the misfit bombers on Monday, 32 belts on Tuesday, and nine belts on Wednesday.

Those horrible Russians!
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[Jinentonix]

and that sea is called the South China sea for a very sound geographical reason.

Because some White explorer called it that. It doesn't imply ownership. If it did, then how do you explain China "claiming" a stake in the Arctic? Last time I checked a map, China's borders didn't come anywhere near it.

 

[Curious Cdn]

The Chinese have things that we want and vise-versa. The Russians offer us squat.

 

[Bar Sinister]

Void, you are consistantly associated with misinformation, China circumnavigated the globe before Columbus was out of diapers and Russia has almost zip for a record of Imperial agression when compared to France, Brittian or the USA. Always is a gross exageration especially since always is a time so long nobody can even guess at a number.

Actually Hoid is correct. There is even a word for it - sinocentrism. It was the belief that nothing of importance existed outside of China. As a result, after a few voyages of exploration the Chinese emperor forbade any further voyages and China turned inward, failing to recognize the danger of the more technologically advanced Europeans until it was too late. That said, I suspect that a good deal of the perceived threat from China is simply hype put forward by the US military-industrial complex to promote further military spending in the US.

I've always wondered why we in the "West" have always treated China better than Russia.

There seem to be more similarities between the two and differences and yet we treat China with more respect than i feel their government deserves.

China and Russia both have "dictators"
China and Russia both hack our computers and steal technology or influence politics
China and Russia both have aggressive expansionism policies. Crimea for Russia and South China Sea for China
China and Russia both have atrocious human rights records
etc...

Our leaders get all submissive around China and yet puff their chests out at Russia. It just seems hypocritical in my opinion.

Why do you guys think we are more cordial to China than Russia?

The China situation is complex and the answer goes back to the 1970s when Nixon established relations with China. At that time China and the USSR were arguing over who had the correct form of communism and were involved in a dispute over territory along the Amur River. China found it useful to have the US as a friend rather than an enemy and the Americans were happy to have the USSR worried about its far eastern border. Since that time China has emulated the West to a far greater extent than Russia. It is modernizing much more rapidly than Russia and is a global investor. It is also a major leader in multiple emerging technologies.

Despite its huge size, Russia is a modern weakling with a GDP that is actually smaller than Canada's. Under Putin the country appears to be going nowhere and the situation is not likely to change. Also, China does not appear to involve itself in the murder of Chinese citizens who live overseas.

 

[darkbeaver]

I agree except the part about hoid being correct, he didn,t actually have to be here in this thread, he,s an idiot with no future and a short past, does anything important exist outside of China? That,s a lot of busy people.

 

[JLM]

I've always wondered why we in the "West" have always treated China better than Russia.

There seem to be more similarities between the two and differences and yet we treat China with more respect than i feel their government deserves.

China and Russia both have "dictators"
China and Russia both hack our computers and steal technology or influence politics
China and Russia both have aggressive expansionism policies. Crimea for Russia and South China Sea for China
China and Russia both have atrocious human rights records
etc...

Our leaders get all submissive around China and yet puff their chests out at Russia. It just seems hypocritical in my opinion.

Why do you guys think we are more cordial to China than Russia?

The main reason in my mind would be many of us are much more familiar with the Chinese. In my own case that goes back to when I was 4 years and a Chinese fella always gave me 10 cents when Dad dropped off a load of lumber. The Chinese filled many roles in Canada from Confederation from railway construction to chef to laundry worker to agricultural worker and most cities had a China town. The Chinese kids in school were smart, especially at Math!

 

[Cannuck]

Higham...hehehehe...

 

[OpposingDigit]

China is very dependent upon Russia for energy.
When the U.S. chooses to attack China, it will cut off all oil/gas from Western sources, (sea blocades, etc) but it is Russia who has the pipelines into China.

Russia's economy is one tenth the size of the U.S. and is no threat at all economically, but China is.

Russia believes in the same God Deity as the West does and Russia does not have anything at all in common with China. Russians always have seen themselves as being European and not Asian. It is being pushed into the Arms of China.

The U.S. is very disturbed with Putin and not with the Russian People. Putin has outsmarted the West at every turn and has won every battle which the CIA waged inside Ukraine and Syria. Russia has embarrassed the U.S. and its war on terrorism. The U.S. chased down ISIS for 3 years inside Syria and it only took the Russian 14 months. And the rest of the Middle East sees this for what it is and knows that the U.S. was never serious about hitting the Taliban or ISIS during the past 20 years. They recognize that the U.S. and Israel were only "Mowing the Terrorism Lawn" and not intent on actually defeating any terrorist group. The U.S. method of operation is divide and conquer and encourage constant tribal warfare throughout the Middle East.

"Asked about the Saudi-funded spread of Wahhabism, the austere faith that is dominant in the kingdom and that some have accused of being a source of global terrorism, Mohammed said that investments in mosques and madrassas overseas were rooted in the Cold War, when allies asked Saudi Arabia to use its resources to prevent inroads in Muslim countries by the Soviet Union.
Successive Saudi governments lost track of the effort, he said, and now “we have to get it all back.” Funding now comes largely from Saudi-based “foundations,” he said, rather than from the government."
--Karen DeYoung, Saudi prince denies Kushner is ‘in his pocket’, March 22, 2018--
https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...1a9c9e-2e22-11e8-8688-e053ba58f1e4_story.html

Putin will go down in history as the greatest leader of Russia since Ivan The Great.

 

[darkbeaver]

Actually Hoid is correct. There is even a word for it - sinocentrism. It was the belief that nothing of importance existed outside of China. As a result, after a few voyages of exploration the Chinese emperor forbade any further voyages and China turned inward, failing to recognize the danger of the more technologically advanced Europeans until it was too late. That said, I suspect that a good deal of the perceived threat from China is simply hype put forward by the US military-industrial complex to promote further military spending in the US.
The China situation is complex and the answer goes back to the 1970s when Nixon established relations with China. At that time China and the USSR were arguing over who had the correct form of communism and were involved in a dispute over territory along the Amur River. China found it useful to have the US as a friend rather than an enemy and the Americans were happy to have the USSR worried about its far eastern border.

Since that time China has emulated the West to a far greater extent than Russia.

No China has not emulated the west, the west is already history except for the nasty stuff coming right up against the wall.

It is modernizing much more rapidly than Russia and is a global investor. It is also a major leader in multiple emerging technologies.

The Russia China cooperation has already crushed the western nightmare of Globalization

Despite its huge size, Russia is a modern weakling with a GDP that is actually smaller than Canada's. Under Putin the country appears to be going nowhere and the situation is not likely to change.

The size of any nations GDP does not automatically denote success or failure, it,s what you do with what you have, efficiency is not a western skill.

Also, China does not appear to involve itself in the murder of Chinese citizens who live overseas.

And you do not appear to involve yourself with evidence by repeating this unfounded insane British accusation. It in of itself is a clear indication of western rot in the highest offices.

 

[Curious Cdn]

Neither country has even a fraction of the blood on thier hands as for instance the USA or Great Britian

I have to take exception to that statement. Somewhere around 25 million Russians died during the few decades long Stalinist period by execution, starvation, being worked to death in Gulags, purged and "disappeared" for political reasons.

About 30 million Chinese disappeared during the Cultural Revolution over just a couple of decades. There are no equivalent bloodletting in either the United States nor in their empires and certainly not during such brief time frames.

 

[darkbeaver]

Neither country has even a fraction of the blood on thier hands as for instance the USA or Great Britian

I have to take exception to that statement. Somewhere around 25 million Russians died during the few decades long Stalinist period by execution, starvation, being worked to death in Gulags, purged and "disappeared" for political reasons.

About 30 million Chinese disappeared during the Cultural Revolution over just a couple of decades. There are no equivalent bloodletting in either the United States nor in their empires and certainly not during such brief time frames.

Of course your numbers are thought by many including me to be correct. However, the bloodletting I refered to did not take place in the USA nor Britian but in those conquered colonies and territories and the death toll directly arrived at by those occupations is credibly stated to be in the area of three -hundred millions, over three hundred years or there about. You might also take into consideration the founding help both those Communist nations recieved from those very same British and Americans. Start with the history of African slavery and then have a look at what opium did to China and then the hundreds of interventions in the last century, they add up. History is a sad subject.

Higham...hehehehe...

Thankyou for your contribution to this conversation. Maybe you could set aside a few hours this evening and provide a couple of full sentences or maybe even parragraphs discussing your doubts about that post of mine. hehehehehe you will be reincarnated as a roll of toilet paper.

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