Royal Visit Delights Southern Albertans

[Finder]

Fiveparadox. I simply ask, what gives the Queen the right to rule. You simply state it's apart of the constitution. Fine enough. So if we change the constitution and say the ITN's fax mechine is now Queen I guess that gives the fax mechine the right to rule by the same accord.

When I ask you what gives her the right to be our Queen, it is her blood, her family ties, the fact she was born between the right sheets at the right time. Not because she was elected Queen, not because of the merit of what she has done in the past (though she has done many good things).

Perhaps the monarchy is generally a facade these days, a side show of sorts. But to me even the idea of monarchy is wrong. Saying somebody is better then you and me just because they were born in the right family at the right time.

I'm not trying to upset you, I'm just stating what I believe to be true and in no way am I even saying you have no right to believe in the monarchy. Hey thats up to you and if you wish to believe in them and think of them as a progressive force, hey whatever floats your boat. Perhaps when you get into university you may change you mind if you study the monarchy from the fall of the Roman empire to the enlightenment and to the modern age. But I can not change my views on the Royal family nor nobility.

 

[FiveParadox]

Finder, however, you seem to be a less respectful breed of anti-monarchist. While some, such as The Honourable Jack Layton, P.C., M.P., the Member for Toronto—Danforth and the Leader of the New Democratic Party of Canada, think that Canada should move on from the monarchy — however, he does not question the right of the Queen to reign over Canada, only that he thinks that Canada should express a desire to "move on." He would never go as far as you and some others here have, to go to insult the Queen's person.

 

[Finder]

Canada will never abolish the monarchy, you will become too much like the US. God forbid.

You might be right about that. But I think it's more of a coin flip either way. Generally I don't think most Canadians care either way and on the side of the monarchist they tent to shout the most on this issue so any change is somewhat slowl.

ITN, then again I've always stated that I'm a supporter of the American Republican system (in general), so I do have a moderate republican opinion on this matter. *shrugs*

 

[I think not]

The last time I checked the polls it was half and half. This guy makes alot of sense to me:

With or without the Royals, we are not Americans. Nor are we British. Or French. Or Void. We are something else. And the sooner we define this, the better.

~ Will Ferguson, Canadian Author

 

[Finder]

Fiveparadox, well I hope he would not insult anyone as the leader of a Canadian Political party I think we expect that much from them, don't we?

Man Paradox, I think we should make a rule not to debate the monarchy with each other. :violent3: It tends to get a little too heated.

Here I'll give you three "god save the queens"

God save the Queen
God save the Queen
God save the Queen





there all good now.

 

[Finder]

The last time I checked the polls it was half and half. This guy makes alot of sense to me:

With or without the Royals, we are not Americans. Nor are we British. Or French. Or Void. We are something else. And the sooner we define this, the better.

~ Will Ferguson, Canadian Author

Yeah but they tend to go 10% in either direction every year. Until Canadians are totally ready to get rid of the monarchy completely I do not think any government would move us into a full republic, even the NDP.

 

[Swifty]

Re: RE: Royal Visit Delights

A delightful royal visit eh, let them visit the gallows which should properly have been done a few hundred years ago. It's time to get the parisites off our money as well. The true north strong and free national rodent should replace the queen in all functions and on all currency. Industrious,family oriented, devastatingly handsome and hot the beaver must be given its natural place near the top of Canadian society.

Well were not talking about a hundred years ago,and at least the Royal Family brings "CLASS" back to Canada which the extreme left wing looneys from the NDP party HAVE TAKEN AWAY.

I can't imagine raising my children to emulate the Left wing looney party who's agenda is work hard to support the regime and never have ambition.

 

[FiveParadox]

If I were to have the power to enact whatever changes to the Constitution Acts, 1867 to 1982 that I wanted, I would go for a sort of "hybrid" of our present framework, and that adopted by a nation such as Japan. Canada would continue to recognize Her Majesty the Queen of Canada as the de jure head of state; however, she would no longer have any prerogative to exercise powers on her own initiative. Her Excellency the Governor General would be deemed to be a representative of the people of Canada, rather than one of Her Majesty, and Their Honours the Lieutenant Governors would be deemed to be representatives of Her Excellency, as opposed to Her Majesty.

And I agree, Finder, with your suggestion that we should avoid these discussions.

The hon. Speaker: The honourable member for Pair-au-Docs, seconded by the honourable member for Fine—Dur, moves — That this debate be now adjourned. Is it the pleasure of the House to adopt the motion?

 

[I think not]

Heh, let the Frenchies run Canada for a year. Plenty of heads will roll the old fashioned guillotine way.

 

[Finder]

Well at least we can agree on changes in moderation. Besides that we come from different corners.

Damn I just wrote like five paraphs before I noticed I was almost debating this issue again. I deleted it as I do not wish to cause a stir with you Paradox. However I think Canadian history shows that the monarchy for some reason has been made a symbol of what it is to be Canadian rather then American, and though most of us either don't care about the monarchy or don't like it we are willing to stick with it for this reason mainly.

I personally have no problem with going with the full blown Republic, but... well as long as we slowly move towards replacing the old nobility posistions of the Senate and even one day with the head of state with elected citizens I think I could care less if we were a real republic or not. To me it is more about accountability and liberty then monarchy and republicanism.

 

[Jay]

The better question is what right to you have to steal Canada away from the Crown?

 

[I think not]

Re: RE: Royal Visit Delights Southern Albertans

The better question is what right to you have to steal Canada away from the Crown?

:?

Are you saying Crown lands are possessions of the Monarchy?

 

[Finder]

Re: RE: Royal Visit Delights Southern Albertans

The better question is what right to you have to steal Canada away from the Crown?

:?

Are you saying Crown lands are possessions of the Monarchy?

I think that is what he is trying to say. When crown lands are pretty much the land of the government of Canada.

 

[Jay]

And what of the Ceremonial Mace? Is that just for fun?

 

[Finder]

Re: RE: Royal Visit Delights Southern Albertans

And what of the Ceremonial Mace? Is that just for fun?

have you seen the guy who wields it?

As I have said lets just get rid of the facade all together. Paradox might be a Monarchist Romantic, Jay, But you seem to be one of those old guard monarchists who actually believe that these people have the right to rule us.

 

[Jay]

Yes I am.

Perhaps it's that old Norman Blood in my viens.

 

[I think not]

I sincerely have a hard time grasping this concept and I am not being obtuse. As Finder has stated repeatedly, someone ruling, reigning by sheer luck of a phuck is supported by so many.

I don't get it.

 

[Jay]

Your not supposed to get it, your a stinky American. Finder, well he is NDP, I think that says it all.

 

[fuzzylogix]

End the monarchy!!!

End the flagrant prostitution and philandering.

End the "royal" genes that come from lovers and not fathers!

 

[Nuggler]

Four pages, all about Queenie and the rest of the inbred lot, and crown land, and who owns what, and no one yet has even considered that Southern Albertans probably take delight in picking lint from their navels :lol:


:idea: