The future of naval warfare will be based on undersea drones, aerial drones, ballistic missiles, cruise missiles, directed energy weapons and orbital bombardment. Britain isn't a player in any of these fields.
Royal Navy scrambles destroyer to challenge Russian warship off UK coast
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The not silver lining to this event is that if the Brits lost their sanity even more and started a war Canada and all her resources would join without it being a matter of right or wrong. In a schoolyard that would come under the 'bully laws'. Over a boat following one of your subs (that it shouldn't be able to).
We on the other hand hire Russia to do the low-level flights that map the topography in the aid fore determining the various mineral resources. We hired them as 2nd choice but the Americans wanted o full copy of the data collected in addition to being paid more. The Brits would have given us which style of service of the two choices mentioned?
We on the other hand hire Russia to do the low-level flights that map the topography in the aid fore determining the various mineral resources. We hired them as 2nd choice but the Americans wanted o full copy of the data collected in addition to being paid more. The Brits would have given us which style of service of the two choices mentioned?
Like you did during the Falklands and Iraq?
Some people don't half come out with some rubbish. And to think that they actually believe the guff they post.
I'll remind you that Britain is the world's fourth-biggest defence spender.
You obviously missed my post where I mentioned that all of the Royal Navy's 13 new Type 26 frigates will be fitted out with UAVs and USVs.
Not only that, but the British military is also developing Taranis. A semi-autonomous unmanned warplane, it is designed to fly intercontinental missions, and will carry a variety of weapons, enabling it to attack both aerial and ground targets. It will utilise stealth technology, giving it a low radar profile, and it will be controllable via satellite link from anywhere on Earth.
The prototype has a maximum takeoff weight (MTOW) of about 18,000 lb, and is of a similar size to the BAE Hawk training jet. It mounts two internal weapons bays, and is intended to incorporate "full autonomy", allowing it to operate without human control for a large part of the mission.
Britain’s armed drones are currently piloted remotely by aircrews on the ground. But Taranis will follow a set flightpath using on-board computers to perform manoeuvres, avoid threats and identify targets. Only when it needs to attack a target will it seek authorisation from a human controller.
Taranis is named after the Celtic god of thunder, Taranis. The prototype conducted its first flight in 2013.
Another UAV the British military is developing is Corax (Greek for raven).
As for ballistic missiles and cruise missiles, what do you the Trident and Tomahawk missiles that the Royal Navy is armed with are? What do you think the Storm Shadow missiles that RAF Tornado GR4 fighter jets are armed with are? The British military has used 37 different types of missiles. I think only the Americans, Russians and Iranians have used more. The Canadian armed forces, in their entire history, have used just two types of missiles, and neither of them are ballistic or cruise missiles.
Britain's BAE Systems is also developing directed energy and electric weapons for the British military.
BAE Systems - Directed Energy & Electric Weapons For Combat Vehicles [1080p] - YouTube
That's because not all of them have been built yet.
Of course it is. The 13 Type 26 frigates haven't been built yet. Construction starts in 2015. What do you think I am? Stupid?
Canada's unemployment rate is predicted to overtake that of the US and Britain this year. Britain's unemployment rate is going down as our economy improves. Yours is going up as your economy deteriorates.
And Britain has got 30 million people in work, the highest number of people in its history.
It's around 75%.
It hasn't got one boat to defend the homeland, has it?
And how can it be "rickety"? It's a brand new ship.
Canadians are well aware of British sea craft dependability......
IT'S HMS AMBUST; PS1bn submarine towed in for repairs after grinding to a halt. - Free Online Library
Used U.K. submarines prompted compensation demand - Nova Scotia - CBC News
Those submarines were the best diesel-electric powered submarines in the world when they were in use.
Just because they deteriorated during the few years they were in storage and the Canadians didn't bother to check them over when buying them is not the fault of the Royal Navy. There were no problems at all with those ships when they were in service with the Royal Navy. You need to question why you Canadians don't bother to check over other countries' military hardware before you buy it.
It cost the Royal Navy £900m to build the submarines and even if there are some minor problems, Stephen Saunders, editor of Jane's Fighting Ships argues that "there is not something inherently wrong with the class of submarines."
Also, I think it's very hypocritical of you to point fingers at the so-called unseaworthiness of RN ships when in September two Canadian ships, the Algonquin and the Protecteur, somehow managed to collide with each other during a training exercise. Both ships sustained damage and had to be returned to port for repairs instead of being deployed to the Pacific. That means Canada no longer has a destroyer available on the Pacific Coast. You only have one, and it’s broken.
Canada also has just 15 warships to defend the country with the world's biggest coastline.
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Just think about this as the Canadian economy starts to decline. Britain's economy will be the best performing major economy in the developed world over the next two years:
UK recovery 'will be the best in the world': Once-sceptical experts predict strongest growth in G7
Recovery will trigger interest rate rise near end of next year, says think tank
Bank of England yesterday set rates at 0.5% for 59th consecutive month
But some fear recovery is driven by housing market and not exports
By Hugo Duncan
9 January 2014
Daily Mail
Daily Mail
Britain will be the best performing major economy in the developed world for the next two years, experts predicted yesterday.
Output in the UK is forecast to grow by 3 per cent in 2014 and again in 2015 – making it the ‘leader of the pack’ among the leading Group of 7 nations.
The recovery will trigger a rise in interest rates towards the end of next year, according to the report by research group Capital Economics.
Money: Britain will be the best performing major economy in the developed world for the next two years, predicted experts from a conservative-leaning economic think tank yesterday
‘The UK economy has leapt towards the top of the international growth table and there are good reasons to think it can stay there,’ it said.
‘The conditions for a sustained period of solid growth would appear to be in place for the first time in six years.’
Capital Economics has for a long time been pessimistic about the outlook in the UK and as recently as last June was expecting growth of just 0.2 per cent for 2013 and 1.5 per cent for 2014.
Robust growth between now and next year’s general election would be a major boost for David Cameron and George Osborne following years of economic disappointment.
Capital Economics forecast growth of 2.5 per cent and 3 per cent in the United States over the next two years and just 0.5 per cent and 1 per cent in the eurozone.
Kevin Daly, an economist at Goldman Sachs, said: ‘The UK is now the fastest-growing advanced economy in the world. The improvement in growth has been phenomenal.’
But while an interest rate hike would be welcome for Britain’s army of savers, it would be a blow to millions of borrowers relying on low mortgage costs to make ends meet.
The Bank of England yesterday set rates at an all-time low of 0.5 per cent for a 59th month in a row but speculation is mounting that a rise is on the way.
Gross domestic product in the UK – the total output of the economy – is thought to have grown by nearly 2 per cent last year.
That would mark the best year for the economy since 2007 when output rose by 3.4 per cent before crashing in 2008 and 2009 under Labour in the biggest boom and bust in British history.
The economy is still around 2 per cent smaller than it was before the crash but experts believe output will finally pass its pre-recession peak later this year.
Old Lady of Threadneedle Street: The Bank of England yesterday set rates at an all-time low of 0.5 per cent for a 59th month in a row but speculation is mounting that a rise is on the way, which could devastate borrowers
Rob Wood, a former Bank of England economist now at Berenberg Bank, said: ‘The recovery is snowballing. Business confidence is booming, strong growth is back, unemployment is falling and inflation is down.’
It is feared, however, that the recovery is being driven by the housing market and consumer spending rather than manufacturing, exports and investment by private businesses.
Figures from the Office for National Statistics yesterday showed exports of British-made goods rose 2 per cent in November as trade with China hit a record high.
The trade deficit with the rest of the world – exports minus imports – fell slightly from £9.7billion in October to a still stubbornly high £9.4billion in November.
David Kern, of the British Chambers of Commerce, said: ‘Boosting exports must be a national economic priority.’
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We were busy; NHL playoffs you understand. Besides, it was high time that you fought at least one of your own wars
Makes sense, a make-believe airforce to support the pretend navy
Wow, your make-believe airforce sounds powerful
No doubt developed by Q branch.
I'll wait for the next Bond flick to see a test of the prototype.. LOL
Like I said, yours is a pretend navy, but don't dispair, you can always stand on shore and shake your fists at the high tech Russian vessels that cruise by unmolested
You really want an answer to that?
Oooooo! A prediction.
I recommend that you hold your breath until that happens
... And?
90%, well, 88% to be exact.
That's a chilling number
British built. What more needs to be said?
Keep telling yourself that. I can guess that even the tiniest glimmer of hope, albeit an outright fantasy, can help keep yourt spirits up
Too funny... A nation that has no naval vessels but somehow boasts mastery of the seas is now predicting the best recovery in the G7.
Think about it Blackie, the word recovery strongly indicates that your economy is presently in the sh*tter more so than any other G7 (and likely G20) nation
""It is feared, however, that the recovery is being driven by the housing market and consumer spending rather than manufacturing, exports and investment by private businesses."""
One way ticket to the boneyard.
Check out the US of A for their take on this..........google repossessions .
Google Canada without the oil sands.
........The Ruskies probably could have blown your WW1 "destroyer" out of the water but were shyteing themselves laughing at your pathetic antics, and couldn't man the guns or rockets, or torpedoes. Lucky Brits.
Coffee time. Mark my place for me Blackey. I'll be back. too much fun to miss.
One way ticket to the boneyard.
Check out the US of A for their take on this..........google repossessions .
Google Canada without the oil sands.
........The Ruskies probably could have blown your WW1 "destroyer" out of the water but were shyteing themselves laughing at your pathetic antics, and couldn't man the guns or rockets, or torpedoes. Lucky Brits.
Coffee time. Mark my place for me Blackey. I'll be back. too much fun to miss.
As our economy grows, I'll think of you as Canada's starts to hit the doldrums.
The Type 45 destroyer is the most powerful destroyer on the planet. The Russians knew that, and went back to their frozen wasteland with their tails between their legs once the Daring turned up.
You want to lay off the coffee. It's sending you doollally.
""You want to lay off the coffee. It's sending you doollally.""
Believe that should be doodly. It's decaff. Heard of that ??
Believe that should be doodly. It's decaff. Heard of that ??
Not in your lifetime.
That said, many of your countrymen are flocking to our pristine nation to source employment opportunities. I would encourage you to do the same, but we do have a minimum standard that essentially disqualifies you
Xbox has, bar none, the most advanced naval vessels on the planet.
Seeing how your navy is pretend, I might recommend that you advise your admiralty that they source their pretend navy there.
Just a helpful hint
Your one vessel showed up a week later, isn't that right?
You mean like the Falklands and all the other wars that Britain has fought and won on its own?
When the last time Canada fought a war by itself, by the way?
Britain is building hi-tech and powerful ships and planes for the future. What's Canada doing apart from buying second-hand obsolete equipment from foreign countries?
No. It's developed by BAE Systems. And when new British tanks are firing directed energy and electric weapons, the small, insufficiently-equipped Canadian Army will still be using the 100 ageing 1970s Leopard II tanks that it bought off the Netherlands.
We're building new futuristic, powerful warships. We're developing a navy for the 21st Century. Canada's navy is one consisting of of obsolete foreign ships belonging to the Cold War era, like the Upholders.
It's a prediction that Canadians economists themselves have made. Canada's economy is hitting the buffers, whilst Britain's (like it did between 1992 and 2007 when it was the only major developed country to NOT have a recession) is outperforming the developed world again.
Our deficit (caused by the wasteful, socialist, left-wing economic policies of the last Labour Government) is 75%, not much higher than Canada's 66%. And the Tory-led Coalition government's cuts are reducing the deficit. Canada's is going UP.
I will do. 3% growth in 2014. 3% growth in 2015. The next two years will see Britain's economy growing faster than that of any other major developed economy.
As our economy recovers, and outperforms every other major rich nation, Canada's is entering trouble. Britain's economic woes are coming to and end. Canada's are just starting. Good luck with that.
It's happening right now, as we speak.
There are many immigrants coming to Britain for employment opportunities, too. Canada isn't the only one.
And those Brits going to Canada are doing jobs that the socialist Canadians are too lazy to do themselves.
Essentially, we fought WW 1 & 2 by ourselves on your behalf.
You were of no help whatsoever, in fact, to be frank, you were in the way and underfoot most of the time
Pretend navy
How will they stand up to a nuke being detonated overhead?
We can build thousands of nukes for 1/4 the cost of your pretend boat. One detonation overhead and your pretend navy sinks like stones (presuming they don't sink directly upon christening)
Oh, don't be silly! We have plenty of sub-nuclear munitions that can turn the English frig-its into submerged scrap metal without going nuclear.
So do the Chinese and the Russians.
My bad.
Mind you, I should have had the foresight to consider those possibilities in the first place.
Thanks for the heads-up on that
Yeah. I've always suspected that's what you were brainwashed into thinking at school. I've even said it before, and that just proves my point. The history of WWI and WWII you lot were taught in school is no different than the Blackadder history of WWI that some left wing academics teach pupils in British schools.
If you leave the North American mainland and enter the real world, though, you'll find that the views of most people are very different.
We're building a world class, 21st century navy.
Your navy is one which buys second-hand, Cold War era ships from other countries.
They'd probably stand a better chance than Canada's 1970s, Dutch, Leopard II tanks.
Canada isn't going to build thousands of nukes, though. Because Canada is a nation of angsty liberals who believe a military shouldn't be equipped with anything more deadly than water pistols and pea shooters, because they don't kill lots of people are are greener to the environment. So I'm not going to woory about Canada nuking any of our ships.
The British have enough nuclear weapons to turn the United States into an even more desolate and empty nation inhabited by bands of mutants than it already is. We have the power to destroy the United States several times over. Don't forget it.
Yeah. I'm trembling. How much time have you actually spent in the uniform of your country, internet hard man?
Be thankful Blackleaf is not the omnipotent king of the UK. He'd be too tempted to test his weapons at random for kicks and giggles.
About seven years (1997-2004) as an Operator Mechanic in the Royal Navy - Britain's armed force that would destroy America or Canada should it ever be necessary.
Well, well. Something I can actually credit you for.
Respect for having backed up your mouth with your a ss at one point in life.
Still don't think much of you, mind, but credit where due.