Roe v. Wade overturned?
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Lefty liberals only have an outrage for anything that smacks of conservative common sense and logic. Leftist liberals have given up using what is left of their lefty liberal brains for stupid communist programs and agendas. Kill babies, save murderers.
No doubt, the person that got the girl pregnant was not a white male Trump supporting conservative because the MSM would have reported it already.
On Monday, the Attorney General of Ohio said he "hadn't heard a whisper" about the story of the 10-year-old girl who was raped and had to travel outside the state for an abortion. Other people and publications claimed, or broadly hinted, it was fake news.
Today they charged a man with raping her. In Columbus, the state capital of Ohio.
Haven't heard a whisper. . .
Today they charged a man with raping her. In Columbus, the state capital of Ohio.
Haven't heard a whisper. . .
Don't hold your breath for 'apologies'.
Arrest made in rape of 10-year-old girl from Ohio that led to Indiana abortion
A man is charged with impregnating a 10-year-old Ohio girl whose travel to Indiana to seek an abortion led to international attention.
www.usatoday.com
Ohio man charged with rape of 10-year-old girl forced to go to Indiana for abortion
Right-wing media sought to undermine veracity of case as states enact restrictive anti-abortion laws
www.independent.co.uk
Man charged in rape of 10-year-old girl who was denied abortion: report
A 27-year-old man has been arrested and charged with raping and impregnating a 10-year-old girl who received national attention for not being able to obtain an abortion in Ohio following the Suprem…
thehill.com
Ohio man charged with rape of 10-year-old girl who traveled for abortion
A man has been arrested, accused of raping and impregnating a 10-year-old girl. The girl reportedly had to be taken to Indiana for abortion access due to Ohio's heartbeat law making abortion illegal in her case.
www.wlwt.com
They wanted it to be fake, so they could brush it off as one of those 'oh that never happens' things.
So much for their 'hopes and prayers'.
Then again, to some she should have been forced to give birth to the fetus, cause, you know, life started the moment the semen of her rapist met the egg.
Sounds like the authorities that be were able to be tight lipped while going about their jobs .
Indiana AG says office is probing whether doctor reported the rape of 10-year-old Ohio girl
Indiana law requires doctors and abortion providers to report abortion procedures on girls under 16.From the article
A complaint has previously been filed against Dr. Bernard for failing to report to the state abortion procedures performed on girls under the age of 16.
"We have the rape, and then we have this abortion activist acting as a doctor with a history of failing to report," said Rokita, referring to Bernard. "This girl was politicized, politicized for the gain of killing more babies. That was the goal, and this abortion activist is out there front and center."
Ohio Attorney General Dave Yost said Monday that the young girl "did not have to leave Ohio to find treatment," because Ohio's abortion laws allow exceptions for medical emergencies.
Why did they wait? It wasnt politically convient.Don't hold your breath for 'apologies'.
Arrest made in rape of 10-year-old girl from Ohio that led to Indiana abortion
A man is charged with impregnating a 10-year-old Ohio girl whose travel to Indiana to seek an abortion led to international attention.www.usatoday.com
Ohio man charged with rape of 10-year-old girl forced to go to Indiana for abortion
Right-wing media sought to undermine veracity of case as states enact restrictive anti-abortion laws
Man charged in rape of 10-year-old girl who was denied abortion: report
A 27-year-old man has been arrested and charged with raping and impregnating a 10-year-old girl who received national attention for not being able to obtain an abortion in Ohio following the Suprem…
Ohio man charged with rape of 10-year-old girl who traveled for abortion
A man has been arrested, accused of raping and impregnating a 10-year-old girl. The girl reportedly had to be taken to Indiana for abortion access due to Ohio's heartbeat law making abortion illegal in her case.
They wanted it to be fake, so they could brush it off as one of those 'oh that never happens' things.
So much for their 'hopes and prayers'.
Then again, to some she should have been forced to give birth to the fetus, cause, you know, life started the moment the semen of her rapist met the egg.
What happens when this girl lawyers up for being used as a political pawn? The fact her rape and medical history were made public is bizarre a on its own. Its a huge violation of her Right to medical privacy. When her name gets out then what?
A legitimate abortion but for fuck sakes, who broke their oath?
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Absolutely disgusting.
And for the girl to have TRAVELLED to Indiana, her parents had to have known this, or someone who had guardianship.
Yes, the girl IS being politicized; by the effing right!
She. Is. TEN!
She's a freakin BABY herself!
Forcing her to carry to term a baby that resulted of a rape is BEYOND disgusting.
As for Ohio - sure, medical emergencies - but considering the girl was likely healthy, that's not a 'medical emergency'. She was RAPED, which Ohio does NOT exempt. Doc's in Ohio probably were scared to touch her BECAUSE of the fact it was rape and not deemed a 'medical emergency'.
So no, no this is BS and good on the doctor who did the procedure for the girl.
Holy shit, its being politicized the Right?
Are you blind?
Did your eye crust over after being blasted by gender fluid?
Are you blind?
Did your eye crust over after being blasted by gender fluid?
You're kidding right? Ohio said she didn't have to travel she qualifies for an abortion under their laws, someone is using this poor girl for a narrative and it ain't the right
State Facts About Abortion
Each year, a broad cross section of U.S. women have abortions. This series of fact sheets provides data on the incidence of abortion as well as abortion service provision at the state level. Click below to see a selected state's fact sheet
Two things from this of note specifically for this case:
- The parent of a minor must consent before an abortion is provided.
- Abortion is banned at six weeks of pregnancy, except in cases of life endangerment or severely compromised physical health.
Technically, if there was no life endangerment or compromised physical health for the girl, her abortion was banned.
Considering the onus and pressure on abortion doctors in the state, the abortion was likely refused because she was healthy physically and there was no life endangerment. Since she was only six weeks (see report below), there likely wasn't much change in her physical health nor life endangerment to warrant an exemption.
They had no choice BUT to leave.
Also of note: https://www.npr.org/2022/07/15/1111...d-abortion-on-10-year-old-girl-document-shows
"In the document released by the Indiana Department of Health and reviewed by NPR, Dr. Caitlin Bernard says she provided a medication abortion to a 10-year-old girl at Indiana University Health Medical Center in Indianapolis on June 30. That procedure uses pills to induce an abortion and involves a two-drug protocol approved for use up to 10 weeks of pregnancy.
According to the report, the abortion took place a few days after the Supreme Court's Dobbs v. Jackson Women's Health Organization decision, which overturned longstanding abortion-rights precedent and triggered abortion bans to take effect in multiple states.
The story drew widespread public attention after Bernard related the incident to the Indianapolis Star, saying the girl had to cross state lines because of Ohio's abortion ban. Prominent abortion rights opponents expressed skepticism – until this week, when a 27-year-old man was charged with the girl's rape in Franklin County, Ohio.
The documents released by Indiana state health officials include reports of abortions performed by multiple providers across the state in recent weeks, including four by Dr. Bernard.
Her report, filed on July 2, noted that the 10-year-old girl's pregnancy occurred as a result of abuse, and estimates that the patient was six weeks pregnant at the time of the abortion."
Again, this is just being used by the pro-abortion but just anti-Choice people to push THEIR agenda of forcing women to no longer HAVE choice about their health care decisions. And it's GD disgusting that people are okay with this.
The second clause is vague enough to be argued either way by whomever is arguing it. A 10 year old being pregnant could be cause for compromised physical health.
Republicans shocked a 10-year-old can get pregnant after Ohio rape victim abortion story proves true
Rep. Jim Jordan, one of several Republicans wrestling with messaging after calling the story a lie, tried to shift the focus onto the media and the undocumented man who was arrested.
www.nbcnews.com
“I’m amazed a 10-year-old got pregnant. … You really wrestle with that. That’s a tough one,” Rep. Bob Gibbs, R-Ohio, said Thursday. - Did this jerk EVER attend biology or health class? Or does he have daughters or anyone he knows has daughters? Cause the moment a girl gets her first period, she can get pregnant (some girls having their periods at 9 years old)
Rep. Debbie Lesko, R-Ariz., said, “I can’t imagine being 10 years old” and pregnant, adding: “I don’t think I was even able to have children when I was 10 years old. … It’s just awful. It’s awful all the way around.” - if she had her period at 10, she was able to have a child (biologically at least). WTF is up with this ignorance??
Said Rep. Roger Williams, R-Texas: “I’m a pro-life guy, OK? And God’s in charge on this. ... We're all God's children. This is a tough call, and I don’t know if I know that answer right now, because now you’ve got another baby involved: She’s pregnant. … She’s a baby.” - yeah, she's a baby, and got pregnant, because that's what God wanted??? I also doubt you are 'pro-life', rather you are likely pro-abortion but not pro-choice, and if you really are pro-life, then I hope you oppose your state's history of death penalties.
Ohio Attorney General Dave Yost, a Republican, said the story was likely to be a “fabrication.” Rep. Jim Jordan, R-Ohio, tweeted “Another lie. Anyone surprised?” in response to a Washington Examiner story about Yost’s saying he had found no evidence of the young rape victim. - yeah... 'bout that...
Jordan quietly deleted the tweet Wednesday after prosecutors charged Gershon Fuentes, 27, who court documents say confessed to the rape. - and pretend it didn't happen.
Asked whether he regretted calling the story a lie, Jordan blamed Fuentes, an undocumented immigrant, and the news media.
“We didn’t know that an illegal alien did this heinous act. - It should NOT effing matter! Rape is rape regardless of WHO did it.
We never doubted the child,” Jordan said. - BULLSHIT, you called the situation a lie, that is doubting the child!
The lie was “the news headline … the headline from your profession. - It was reported in a lot of places that used varying headlines but the fact was there, a TEN YEAR OLD WAS RAPED, got pregnant, and had an abortion, AND YOU SAID IT WAS A LIE.
We doubted Joe Biden, which is usually a smart thing to do, - dodge and deflect, but "Coach" is good at that, eh Gym?
but we didn’t know that this illegal immigrant had done this terrible thing. He should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.” - again, his status has NOTHING to do with the fact he RAPED a TEN YEAR OLD and got her pregnant, which resulted in the abortion. You will NOT find anyone disagreeing with him being prosecuted. BTW, what about the THOUSANDS of untested rape kits that are just SITTING and not being looked at in the state?
Bill would require testing of an untold number of rape kits from human trafficking victims in Ohio - Ohio Capital Journal
Ohio doesn't have a requirement to test rape kits when investigating human trafficking cases, but a bill in the House would change that.
ohiocapitaljournal.com
"Could"; but at the time since she was only six weeks, likely there wasn't any, and thus under the Ohio law, she wasn't allowed. So yeah, arguing either way could have happened, but that would mean courts get involved and by the time there was a decision, the girl would have had the baby. The sooner, at her age, they can end the pregnancy the better.
So. . . what proof would you require of a woman that she was raped before you would graciously allow her to have an abortion?
Would it be the old standard that if a woman couldn't show evidence that she'd been beaten, she was deemed to have consented because she didn't fight hard enough?
There's also the issue that women do change their minds for sex, and men don't listen. So technically it'd be rape if intercourse continued, but since she started off okay with the situation, does that mean she consented?
The other side-issue to the abortion issue is now people who take drugs which also cause abortions are being denied those drugs due to the ruling. What about THEIR rights to being seen to medically with the medications they need?
In Maryland the law says that if a woman allows penetration, the man is entitled to continue to ejaculation. And Maryland is considered a progressive state.
Here's what perplexes me about Jin's position. He would allow abortion if the foetus was conceived in rape or there was a significant risk to the mother's health (he didn't mention incest). But what does that mean. Is the life of person conceived "normally" of less value than the life of a person conceived in rape? And if a foetus is a human being, shouldn't the standard of risk to the mother be at least dire danger of death?
I think the key is that he would deny abortion to "sluts," i.e., women who had one-night stands without protection ("unprotected consensual hook-up," in his own words). So where does this leave us? That an "innocent" woman is entitled to kill the little life in her, but the "slut" is to be punished with an unwanted child? And what does it say about the foeti? As I asked, if you were conceived in rape, is your life of less worth than if you were conceived by a married couple who want you?
That's why I admire at least the intellectual honesty of the "no abortion EVER" crowd. At least they have the guts to say "No matter how tough it is on the woman, a foetus is a person, and cannot be judged (and killed) because of the circumstances of her conception." To say that aborting a "person" is a crime and a sin, but OK if the "person" was conceived in rape, is exactly the same as saying that if a twelve-year-old who was conceived in rape is misbehaving, his mother has the right to put a gun to his head and pull the trigger.
As Justice Brennan, of a much finer Court, said in Eisenstadt v. Baird, "It would be plainly unreasonable to assume that Massachusetts has prescribed pregnancy and the birth of an unwanted child as punishment for fornication. . . ."
The whole thing seems very poorly thought through.
My answer is simple and consistent: until you have a live birth, it's nobody's business (or decision) but the woman's.
It's why after the conversation with Jin - such as it was - has me now believe that most people are not anti-abortion, rather that they ARE okay with abortion, just that they are instead anti-choice, they are against a woman's right to choose for her body, her situation, her health.
So most people here are instead anti-Choice, and as I see it, anti-women. Abortion I think is the one thing they want to push for control over women for, as seen by the number of men who are FOR the anti-choice enforcement on women.
Overall though, I agree with you, the entire thing was poor thought through, but then that didn't matter, because all that mattered was stopping women from making choices about their bodies. If abortion was really an issue that mattered to these people, they would have done LOTS more preparation, LOTS more for the women who are now forced to give birth and LOTS more to help those in other instances when abortion is 'okay' by their standards.
I think to a majority of these people, anyone who gets pregnant outside of marriage is a slut and thus deserves to suffer the 'consequences', regardless of whether that's right or not, and that forcing birth should NOT be a 'consequence' to anything.
Also, I didn't know about Maryland; that's some INSANE shit there.
Just to point out, it's not 'pro-life', it's anti-Choice (for women).
Even people who are for abortions are still pro-life. They're just pro-choice as well which means it's none of our goddamn business what a woman decides to do.