Rights group blasts 'non-smoker' stipulation for job

Twila

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Here's an interesting bit o' news that might just cause some of you to become completely enraged...

But there seems to be some talk of:

How to Address Tobacco Dust

So what can be done?

Intrusive as it might sound, many experts are arguing for laws that would ban smoking in homes, just as laws have banned the use of lead paint indoors. Such laws can have an effect in protecting children.

But the effect is going to be largest when more and more people become aware of the hidden danger of third-hand smoke.

hmmmm, third hand smoke...so it's not only about the odour from smokers, but now it could be about the potential health risk to non smokers just being around people who smoke...whether they smoke on the property or not.

Interesting.
 

Zzarchov

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We know without a doubt that smoking is bad for our health. We also know without a doubt that secondhand smoke is dangerous for people around us. A person who continues to smoke, knowing the dangers to himself and others, is not the person I want on my workforce. I was a smoker quite a few years ago. I am not now. Anyone who still smokes in the face of all the information we have about the dangers of smoking, is not somebody I would hire.
So I can refuse to hire people who have multiple sexual partners, and refuse to hire overweight people?

We have laws however that very clearly state that you have certian limits to what you can use as a basis for hiring people. Some people very strongly believe racists or sexist views, they cannot use them as a basis for hiring people.

If you have a problem with the smokers, simply show it as a bona fide job requirement they be non-smoker. Prove how them smoking off hours makes it impossible to do the job.

Whether or not you personally view something is stupid is irrelevant. Lots of people feel the same way about ever drinking, about being overweight, about sex lives and even about taking medication instead of praying for healing.

People can choose to do whatever they want for recreation, even if it shortens their lifespan. Lots of people play full contact sports even though it damages their health and the health of others. I'd hate to see the day when someone says "You play football on weekends, you can't have this job" or "You had wine at mass, go get another job"
 

Tyr

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I'm glad you said that.

In all seriousness, every smoker I have ever known is either stupid or weak. I would not hire one and since they aren't protected in the constitution, let them spew their emotional dribble. Anybody that sticks burning leaves in their mouth and sucks in the smoke is far to stupid to work for me. I would be quite happy if they never left their houses.

I guess I could say the same thing about Rednecks or evangelicals. It doesn't make them any less of an person.

But you are right in the case of hiring one. I wouldn't hire either a redneck or an evangelical but I wouldn't know as it's illegal to ask them theri "persuasion" vis-a-vis hiring practices
 

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Alcoholics and people who abuse other things such as prescription drugs and liquid paper shouldn't be hired based on the risks they pose to others.

:walk:Walking right into this, I know it, can feel in me spidy tingly thingy.

What's liquid paper? :dontknow:
 

Tyr

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As far as I'm concerned, the only reasons nicotine and alcohol are legal is because they're the white mans' drug. Nicotine is more addictive than marijuana, almost as addictive as cocaine! Alcohol decreases mental functions more than marijuana does, so why is it legal and pot isn't? Simple answer. Traditionally, marijuana wasn't the white man's drug of choice. From a strictly medical standpoint, both alcohol and tobacco would have been classified as narcotics a long time ago. But we saw during prohibition what happens when society experiences withdrawal symptoms on a mass scale.

Nicotine is the most addictive "drug" known
 

Tyr

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Quoting Machjo
As far as I'm concerned, the only reasons nicotine and alcohol are legal is because they're the white mans' drug


Tobacco had already long been used in the Americas by the time European settlers arrived
 

Tyr

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Why would anyone want to hire someone who was killing him/herself with cigarette smoke? Why should they have to? A smoker is not only a danger to his own and other's continued health, he is a potential fire hazard. For those reasons alone I wouldn't hire a smoker. Grow up smokers. If you want that job, quit smoking.

Hmmmm. hire a smoker or a obese blob

Which is going to cost me more in health care in the long run. The latter
 

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:walk:Walking right into this, I know it, can feel in me spidy tingly thingy.

What's liquid paper? :dontknow:
It's that little bottle of white stuff you buy that we used to use (and some people still do) to "white out" spelling mistakes from type written material - paint it on paper like you are painting your nails.
 

VanIsle

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I work with lots of smokers. I wish the world was non-smoking for anything "smoked" other than fish, but - it isn't and we can only go so far in controlling others. No one I work with can smoke within 10 feet of the outside door so most of them race out to their car (ugh) to get their fix during their breaks. I'm not big on some specific religions myself but I would hire a person for their ability and not their religion or even their smoking habits.
 

Praxius

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Here's an interesting bit o' news that might just cause some of you to become completely enraged...

But there seems to be some talk of:

hmmmm, third hand smoke...so it's not only about the odour from smokers, but now it could be about the potential health risk to non smokers just being around people who smoke...whether they smoke on the property or not.

Interesting.

Yeah I posted this about a week ago..... oh, and the main point of this whole 3rd hand smoke crap and the arguments that continued in the thread about it, was that all of those reports going off about 3rd hand smoke..... had no evidence, had no proof, and was all based on speculation due to requiring futher research.

Since they don't have all the research they need to confirm this, no laws or additional crap regulations should be invented until it is confirmed. Every single report I have seen in regards to this 3rd hand smoke crap, every single person pushing this 3rd hand smoke, had not one shred of evidence, study or proof in what they were saying......

And if people are going to get that super anal about "Dust" from smoking.... then they best get jumping on all that other dust that's around us everyday. None of it's good for us afterall.

Oh, but that's impossible, I forgot.... so let's just keep witch hunting the people we can easily blame for all our problems in the world. :roll:
 

Twila

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Since they don't have all the research they need to confirm this, no laws or additional crap regulations should be invented until it is confirmed. Every single report I have seen in regards to this 3rd hand smoke crap, every single person pushing this 3rd hand smoke, had not one shred of evidence, study or proof in what they were saying......

Interesting.
 
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The end result is that an employer can decide to not hire someone that they don't like, for any reason. But you have to be careful in advertising, because you can get into a lot of trouble if you put stuff in writing.
 

Praxius

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Interesting.




*puffs* Yes, Quite.

Here's the other thread, just in case you're interested:

http://forums.canadiancontent.net/news/80865-third-hand-smoke-awareness-may.html
 

Twila

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"cavity search" prior to empl;oyment

What about if you've been to the dentist and had them filled...or bridge work done? does that count?
 

Praxius

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What about if you've been to the dentist and had them filled...or bridge work done? does that count?

Makes sense, if you don't have perfect teeth, then you're going to be a burden to the dental plan at work, so they shouldn't be hired either.

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I guess we'll have to just wait until we're all genetically modified to perfection. Then there will be perfect hair, perfect weight, perfect teeth, no ability to be addicted to anything..... then everybody would be able to work anywhere they wish.