Right Wing Bigotry From Alberta

[cub1c]

RE: Right Wing Bigotry Fr

Jackd is right. Be careful.

Scandals is not a matter of which government is in power, it's because they have TOO MUCH POWER.

As long that Canada keeps the laws that are there, you will still see scandals.

No, it won't end by electing another party, like you would like it.

 

[Reverend Blair]

Do you have any facts to back your claims?

The Alliance argued for racial profiling in the House of Commons and in committee when the security bill was being discussed.

Even though I support same sex marriage, it's unfair to claim that the Consevatives "oppose" same sex marriage. They approve of same sex unions and ALL the benefits that go along with a marriage. What they oppose, is to change the legal definition of marriage. Let's not make a mountain out of a molehill.

Refusing a segment of society equal rights, actually using the Notwithstanding clause to take away rights, is despicable. It is made even moreso because of the religious overtones inherent in the arguments of those trying to take those rights away.

Speaking out against those who would force their outdated and regressive religious beliefs on those who do not share those beliefs is not making a mountain out of a molehill. It is speaking out against homophobia and bigotry while supporting the separation of church and state.

How can you possibly compare anything to Adscam, the HR boondoggle, the gun registry, Judy Sgro allowing people into the country illegally as long they vote for her, the GG spending millions of tax dollars on lavish vacations, Chretiean forcing banks to give huge business loans to his friends, out and out lies..........

How can you not?

 

[MMMike]

The Alliance argued for racial profiling in the House of Commons and in committee when the security bill was being discussed.

It should be obvious that certain people need to be scrutinized more closely than others. Most of the terrorists in the world today are Islamic extremists.

Refusing a segment of society equal rights, actually using the Notwithstanding clause to take away rights, is despicable. It is made even moreso because of the religious overtones inherent in the arguments of those trying to take those rights away.

Speaking out against those who would force their outdated and regressive religious beliefs on those who do not share those beliefs is not making a mountain out of a molehill. It is speaking out against homophobia and bigotry while supporting the separation of church and state.

Some conservatives oppose any type of same-sex union on religious grounds or flat out homophobia. Others oppose changing the traditional definition of marriage. There is a difference; don't paint anyone who opposes the proposed bill on SSM as bigots or homophobes.

Regarding corruption, any party who has been in power too long without credible opposition will eventually become corrupt. It's just that the Liberals are so good at it!

 

[crit13]

The Alliance argued for racial profiling in the House of Commons and in committee when the security bill was being discussed.

It depends what you mean by social profiling. If a majority of terrorists are from the Middle East, should we spend half the budget on blonde haired, blue eyed Norwegians? Why are there more police officers in high crime areas of Toronto where there is a majority of blacks? Is that not social profiling?

Refusing a segment of society equal rights, actually using the Notwithstanding clause to take away rights, is despicable.

Which rights are we talking about here? Let's be clear on the issue and not just parrot whatever Martin says. Tell me exactly which rights they will be denied.

By the way, next week I'm going to start my own religion which allows me to marry 2 women a man and a goat. Don't you dare tell me that I can't either because you will be denying me my rights. Don't think I'm joking either, I was on another forum where one woman wanted to marry two other men and a woman. Yes, a four person marriage. She drove evryone crazy, even the bleeding heart Liberals on the site.

Speaking out against those who would force their outdated and regressive religious beliefs on those who do not share those beliefs is not making a mountain out of a molehill.

Religious beliefs? Most Liberals have no religious beliefs. They believe that everyone should just do whatever feels good. Tired of working? Go on welfare. Want to work a little with full pay, get a unionized job.....

How can you not?

It appears that denial is not just a river in Egypt. Paul Martin can come right out and tell Canada to f*ck themselves and you will still line up to vote him in.

 

[SirKevin]

Which rights are we talking about here? Let's be clear on the issue and not just parrot whatever Martin says. Tell me exactly which rights they will be denied.

That would be their right to "equal benefit" as guaranteed by the Charter. The Charter doesn't say "some equal benefit", it says "all equal benefit."

By the way, next week I'm going to start my own religion which allows me to marry 2 women a man and a goat.

Does the Charter encompass goats?

A goat is, BTW, unable to give consent to have sex and thus sexual relationships between a person and a goat should not be condoned.

Don't you dare tell me that I can't either because you will be denying me my rights. Don't think I'm joking either, I was on another forum where one woman wanted to marry two other men and a woman. Yes, a four person marriage. She drove evryone crazy, even the bleeding heart Liberals on the site.

Good for her; I wish more people had the balls to take a stand for polygamy. I've never thought that bigotry and intolerance could be limited to relationships involving two people.

It appears that denial is not just a river in Egypt. Paul Martin can come right out and tell Canada to f*ck themselves and you will still line up to vote him in.

Heh. As far as I am aware, Rev is a New Democrat.

 

[Jay]

I think BC should move it's borders a bit more east and take over Banff. I wish the Rhinoceros party where still around.

And Ontario should annex Manitoba and Saskatchewan, were paying for them anyways...we might as well get to regulate how the monkeys play instead of just paying the zoo fares.

 

[Reverend Blair]

It should be obvious that certain people need to be scrutinized more closely than others. Most of the terrorists in the world today are Islamic extremists.

Where were you when the Unabomber and Timmy McVeigh were on the loose? The terrorist where white guys then, but Stevie Harper and his gaggle of goosesteppers sure as hell weren't screaming that white people be racially profiled when they got on a plane.

It depends what you mean by social profiling.

I don't mean social profiling. If that's what I meant, that's what I would have said. I said racial profiling. Don't try to change a word and pretend you mean something different. Around here we have a word for that...LYING.

Tell me exactly which rights they will be denied.

The right to be married in the eyes of the state.

Religious beliefs? Most Liberals have no religious beliefs. They believe that everyone should just do whatever feels good. Tired of working? Go on welfare. Want to work a little with full pay, get a unionized job.....

Were your eyes always brown, or did they turn that way during the brainwashing sessions?

BTW, I am, as SirKevin pointed out, NDP. I don't like Martin or his policies. The willingness of those on the far right to lie about both Martin and his policies speaks to moral cowardice that runs very deep, like blood poisoning.

 

[crit13]

Where were you when the Unabomber and Timmy McVeigh were on the loose?

That's right. Throw in 2 white guys in the ocean of thousands of MEerners that are terrorists to make a point. Next you're going to tell me that the NBA is full of white guys because Matt Bonner plays for the Raptors.

The right to be married in the eyes of the state.

Try again. They already have all the rights heterosexual couples have. They want to be married in the house of God. I don't recall God condoning gay marriages in any religion. By the way, the same terrorists you defend in your other posts are the same people that will kill homosexuals for safe passage to heaven. You deserve each other.

BTW, I am, as SirKevin pointed out, NDP

I should have realized that by your fanatical and radical views on pretty much everything. Let's vote the NDP in so that we can all collect welfare. Ontario still hasn't recovered from the Rae days and that was 20 years ago.

That would be their right to "equal benefit" as guaranteed by the Charter. The Charter doesn't say "some equal benefit", it says "all equal benefit."

They already have equal rights. What you want is to change the law so that another fringe group can pull up a chair to the tax trough. How typical.

Good for her; I wish more people had the balls to take a stand for polygamy. I've never thought that bigotry and intolerance could be limited to relationships involving two people.

This comment speaks volumes. Why don't we all just encompass the entire country into one big marriage. That way, we can all be free to screw everyone?

 

[SirKevin]

Where were you when the Unabomber and Timmy McVeigh were on the loose?

That's right. Throw in 2 white guys in the ocean of thousands of MEerners that are terrorists to make a point. Next you're going to tell me that the NBA is full of white guys because Matt Bonner plays for the Raptors.

I hope you aren't implying that anything even approaching a majority of Muslims are terrorists.

The right to be married in the eyes of the state.

Try again. They already have all the rights heterosexual couples have. They want to be married in the house of God. I don't recall God condoning gay marriages in any religion.

Heh. Some religions do, though -- and freedom of religion is not a theology debate.

By the way, the same terrorists you defend in your other posts are the same people that will kill homosexuals for safe passage to heaven. You deserve each other.

Huh? No one has defended terrorists. We have defended Muslims from being subject to being included in some sort of racist national database because a few extremists label themselves Muslims and do something crazy.

Would you like to be fingerprinted because a few Christians blow up abortion clinics? (And yes that is, on my part, assuming that you are a Christian...if you aren't, there are other analogies that are applicable)

I should have realized that by your fanatical and radical views on pretty much everything. Let's vote the NDP in so that we can all collect welfare. Ontario still hasn't recovered from the Rae days and that was 20 years ago.

Heh...Rae was in power 10-12 years ago...come on, I know that and I was in diapers at the time...considering which I will leave the Rae bashing uip to Rev to handle.

They already have equal rights. What you want is to change the law so that another fringe group can pull up a chair to the tax trough. How typical.

Okay...just what the hell are you talking about? Sorry, you stopped making sense there....there's so many crazy and random conclusions and leaps of logic there that I don't know how I am gonna handle this one.

Let's see. They already have equal rights? So then what is being fought for in Parliament?

Another fringe group pulling a chair up to the tax trough? I thought you just said they already have equal rights...in which case they are already at the "tax trough" -- a place they have a constitutional right to be.

This comment speaks volumes. Why don't we all just encompass the entire country into one big marriage. That way, we can all be free to screw everyone?

The only conclusion I can draw from that is that you think sex before marriage should be illegal.

 

[crit13]

I hope you aren't implying that anything even approaching a majority of Muslims are terrorists.

Nice try.

A majority of terrorits are muslims. This is a fact. I'm very well aware that the vast majority of muslims are good people. My best friend is a Sunni muslim from Egypt.

Heh. Some religions do, though

Which ones?

Would you like to be fingerprinted because a few Christians blow up abortion clinics?

To be perfectly honest, I wouldn't mind at all to be fingerprinted. Why not, I have nothing to hide. Do you?

Are you in favour of the gun registry? That's a lot worse than fingerprinting. I wonder how many criminals took time out of their busy schedules of robbing banks today to register their guns. Hmmmmm?

If sex before marriage was a crime, I would have a record.

 

[Jo Canadian]

When all is said and done, what our country needs is a new goddamn political party that would reflect the best out of the three that we currently have, and to get rid of the crap that those three also have.

We could start by sacking anyone that's in it for themselves or those that take advantage of positions of power.

What we need is a party that's working for the country and not their supporters or financers. An efficent and trustworthy leader would be nice too, but where are we going to find one of those?

any suggestions?

 

[SirKevin]

Rev & I.

 

[Jo Canadian]

Well, that's a start.

 

[Reverend Blair]

What we need is a party that's working for the country and not their supporters or financers. An efficent and trustworthy leader would be nice too, but where are we going to find one of those?

any suggestions?

You might want to check out the Cosmopolitan Party.

A majority of terrorits are muslims. This is a fact.

What about the militias in US? What about the various groups in South America that have been labelled as terrorist (most aren't really, but there's oil down there)? What about radical Christian extremists in North America and Europe? What about the IRA? What about African rebel groups that aren't Muslim? What about Asia, where the "terrorists" belong to any one of many religious sects and even non-religious groups?

You have no facts, what you have is a tendency towards bigotry.

To be perfectly honest, I wouldn't mind at all to be fingerprinted.

You can give away your rights and freedoms. Leave mine the hell alone.

Are you in favour of the gun registry?

No, but I am in favour of gun control. That would include checking cars at the border at about ten times the rate we currently do, banning handguns completely, and restricting rifles and shotguns to two shots.

Try again. They already have all the rights heterosexual couples have. They want to be married in the house of God.

The legislation expressly states that churches do not have to marry gays and lesbians unless they want to. Your argument is a scare tactic, nothing more.

I don't recall God condoning gay marriages in any religion.

There is nothing in the Bible that expressly prohibits it either. The parts of the Old Testament usually quoted could be interpreted several ways. It isn't even mentioned in the New Testament.

I should have realized that by your fanatical and radical views on pretty much everything. Let's vote the NDP in so that we can all collect welfare. Ontario still hasn't recovered from the Rae days and that was 20 years ago.

As opposed to the Devine government is Saskatchewan, the Filmon government in Manitoba, the Harris government in Ontario, the Vanderzalm in BC? How 'bout Brian Mulroney federally? Don't start pointing fingers, Crit...the conservatives in this country don't exactly sparkle.

They already have equal rights. What you want is to change the law so that another fringe group can pull up a chair to the tax trough. How typical.

What tax trough?

 

[SirKevin]

I hope you aren't implying that anything even approaching a majority of Muslims are terrorists.

Nice try.

I try my hardest.

A majority of terrorits are muslims. This is a fact. I'm very well aware that the vast majority of muslims are good people. My best friend is a Sunni muslim from Egypt.

Are a majority of Muslims terrorists, though? Why would we fingerprint everyone in a group that only has a very, very small minority of bad eggs? We shouldn't infringe on the privacy of the majority because of a minority.

Heh. Some religions do, though

Which ones?

The sane ones.

More specifically, the United Church and most Anglican Churches -- both of those denominations are Christian.

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Would you like to be fingerprinted because a few Christians blow up abortion clinics?

To be perfectly honest, I wouldn't mind at all to be fingerprinted. Why not, I have nothing to hide. Do you?

No, I don't have anything to hide and yes I frankly would mind being part of some national database -- the idea is creepy.

[Are you in favour of the gun registry?

Yup.

That's a lot worse than fingerprinting.

Wrong. Choosing to own a gun is just that, a choice. Saying "If you want to buy a gun, you will need to register" is not comparable to "If you want to live in our country, you will have to register."

[I wonder how many criminals took time out of their busy schedules of robbing banks today to register their guns. Hmmmmm?

A better question would be "How many people who have registered guns took times out of their busy schedules today to rob a bank?" I would guess the answer would be "a few."

[If sex before marriage was a crime, I would have a record.

So, if sex before marriage should be legal, why is one big marriage where everyone in the country is married to each other necessary for everyone to be able to screw everyone else?

 

[crit13]

Are a majority of Muslims terrorists, though? Why would we fingerprint everyone in a group that only has a very, very small minority of bad eggs? We shouldn't infringe on the privacy of the majority because of a minority.

We should be fingerprinting every person that enters this country that is not a citizen, no matter what their religion is.

More specifically, the United Church and most Anglican Churches -- both of those denominations are Christian.

Every religion splinters off into their own "versions" of said religion. I'm talking about the original religions, not the evolved ones where people pick and choose which parts of the religion they like and leave out the parts they don't.

No, I don't have anything to hide and yes I frankly would mind being part of some national database -- the idea is creepy.

What is creepy about putting your finger on a foil connected to a computer? It's not as if they use ink.

Wrong. Choosing to own a gun is just that, a choice. Saying "If you want to buy a gun, you will need to register" is not comparable to "If you want to live in our country, you will have to register."

Wrong. Choosing to come to Canada is just that, a choice. If they have nothing to hide, they should have no problem getting fingerprinted. After all, they have to give references of all their previous activities, information about their entire lives including immediate family members. Disclose personal financial information etc. and you're worried about a 2 second fingerprinting. Pathetic.

A better question would be "How many people who have registered guns took times out of their busy schedules today to rob a bank?" I would guess the answer would be "a few."

Aren't you tired of being wrong. The gun registry has solved ZERO crimes. Criminals do NOT register their guns. Everyone knows this except Liberal supporters. Typical though.

So, if sex before marriage should be legal, why is one big marriage where everyone in the country is married to each other necessary for everyone to be able to screw everyone else?

Why leave out all the married people? I'm sure there are plenty of hot married people that would love to join in.

What about the militias in US? What about the various groups in South America that have been labelled as terrorist (most aren't really, but there's oil down there)? What about radical Christian extremists in North America and Europe? What about the IRA? What about African rebel groups that aren't Muslim? What about Asia, where the "terrorists" belong to any one of many religious sects and even non-religious groups?

What militias in the US? Are these the same people that are organized ny the illuminati and Freemasons? The rest of the groups you mention are not actively attacking Western targets all around the world. When was the last time a Christian suicide bomber took out a nightclub in Bali? You're starting to sound pretty silly.

You have no facts, what you have is a tendency towards bigotry.

Suicide bombers from Palestine blowing up buses full of innocent civilians. Suicide bombers killing western tourists in Bali. 9/11. Several times a day a suicide bomber takes out a few Iraqis just for fun. Beheadings of anyone, non-muslim in Iraq. Embassies blown up in Africa. Fanatic muslim shoots and kills dozens of western tourists in Egypt. Last week, an entire Christian neighbourhood was blown up in Lebanon. I could go on for another hour.

I have plenty of facts, what you have is a tendancy towards ignorance. Due to this, you take the typical left wing approach when someone has a different opinion from yours. By default, everyone becomes a bigot. Maybe you missed the part where I mentioned that my "best" friend is a Sunni muslim from Egypt. He himself agrees with me that these "Islamic" terrorists are a huge problem and are causing grief for other muslims.

You can give away your rights and freedoms. Leave mine the hell alone.

I didn't realize that the "RIGHT TO NOT BE FINGERPRINTED" was so important to you. What a tremendous freedom that you hold so close to your heart. The rest of us don't have the freedom to speak our minds for fear of being labelled a bigot or worse, but as long as your freedom of avoiding being fingerprinted at all costs, all is well in your little world.

The legislation expressly states that churches do not have to marry gays and lesbians unless they want to. Your argument is a scare tactic, nothing more.

How is stating that they have all the rights already a scare tactic?

As opposed to the Devine government is Saskatchewan, the Filmon government in Manitoba, the Harris government in Ontario, the Vanderzalm in BC? How 'bout Brian Mulroney federally? Don't start pointing fingers, Crit...the conservatives in this country don't exactly sparkle.

Mike Harris single handedly saved the province of Ontario. I'm sure your pissed off because people like you and your ilk lost your free ticket to drinking beer while collecting welfare cheques.

You only need to look at Alberta which has been run by Conservatives. It is 100% debt free and already has the lowest tax rates in Canada. In fact they have lower income tax rates than 48 states in the US.

You must be proud of people like McGuinty who has pretty much broken every single promise he ran on in his last camapign. I can't wait till the next election so that we can toss this lying thief out on his ear.

 

[mrmom2]

Take the oil away and Alberta has got nothing .Thats the only reason your not in debt.Oh yea you were in debt even with the oil.

 

[crit13]

Take the oil away and Alberta has got nothing .Thats the only reason your not in debt.Oh yea you were in debt even with the oil.

The best you can come back with is an excuse. I expected so much more from you.

First of all, I'm from Ontario and Ontario's GDP is more than double that of Alberta's. Why are we still in debt since we produce twice as much as Alberta? Try not to hurt yourself when you try coming up with the answer.

 

[Reverend Blair]

We should be fingerprinting every person that enters this country that is not a citizen, no matter what their religion is.

As soon as we fingerprint George Bush, I will consider your position.

Every religion splinters off into their own "versions" of said religion. I'm talking about the original religions, not the evolved ones where people pick and choose which parts of the religion they like and leave out the parts they don't.

What about native religions. They accept gays and lesbians.

What is creepy about putting your finger on a foil connected to a computer? It's not as if they use ink.

The creepiness is being tracked by the government. Keep in mind that it's unlikely that government is going to be one you support. Feeling creepy yet?

Wrong. Choosing to come to Canada is just that, a choice.

Except the discussion was about racial profiling. Nice attempt at a switch. Do you think we're stupid?

If they have nothing to hide, they should have no problem getting fingerprinted.

You keep saying that you have nothing to hide. how 'bout you put your name and address up in your next post?

Aren't you tired of being wrong. The gun registry has solved ZERO crimes. Criminals do NOT register their guns. Everyone knows this except Liberal supporters. Typical though.

I think you miss the point of the registry. It is so that when guns are stolen they are reported stolen and so when the police are walking into a potentially dangerous situation they are aware of it. It also helps to keep firearms out of the hands of those who are mentally incompetent but not criminal. I don't agree with it, but I don't just believe whatever crap spews from Charleton Heston's mouth either.

What militias in the US?

There are militias all over the US. Do you not have access to media. Timmy McVeigh was part of one. Several were attached to the farm movement. Quite a few have ties to religious exremists (Waco and Ruby Ridge ring any bells?) and others are just made up of survivalist nut-bags.

The rest of the groups you mention are not actively attacking Western targets all around the world.

Yeah, the IRA never attacked a western target and George Bush never put guys who were supposed to fighting the fake war on drugs in charge of guarding oil pipelines owned by his buddies. The whole Air India had no connection to the west either. That's why the court case was held here.

Why does it only matter if the targets are here though? I thought it was supposed to be global war on terror. Isn't that what Georgie said? Why yes, yes it is. Now I knew he was lying when he said it, but thanks for confirming that for us.

Suicide bombers from Palestine blowing up buses full of innocent civilians.

Israelis shooting Palesinian school children.

Several times a day a suicide bomber takes out a few Iraqis just for fun.

100,000 Iraqis dead at the hands of George Bush.

I didn't realize that the "RIGHT TO NOT BE FINGERPRINTED" was so important to you.

We have a right not to be tracked by our government unless they have due cause. They do not have due cause to track me. I will not give up that right.

How is stating that they have all the rights already a scare tactic?

Again with the trying to shift the question thing. That's not very honest you know. In fact, I would characterize it as lying.

What I was responding to was your assertion that, "They want to be married in the house of God." It was you who said that, crit.

Mike Harris single handedly saved the province of Ontario.

I know an awful lot of people who disagree with you. To make such claims is foolish.

I'm sure your pissed off because people like you and your ilk lost your free ticket to drinking beer while collecting welfare cheques.

First of all, I don't live in Ontario, so I was relatively untouched by Harris' boorish and brutal policies. I've also never been on welfare. Now cut the accusations because you obviously don't know what the hell you are talking about.

You only need to look at Alberta which has been run by Conservatives. It is 100% debt free and already has the lowest tax rates in Canada. In fact they have lower income tax rates than 48 states in the US.

Alberta happens to be sitting on a puddle of oil and natural gas. They also have about the worst deal for selling that oil in the entire world. Klein brutalized a good portion of the population with his policies and, even though they are the richest province, still charges user fees for healthcare.

You must be proud of people like McGuinty who has pretty much broken every single promise he ran on in his last camapign. I can't wait till the next election so that we can toss this lying thief out on his ear.

I'll run through this one more time, because you seem to be a little slow. I don't live in Ontario and I am not a Liberal. Of course if Harris hadn't messed things up so badly, McGuinty might have something to work with. For that matter, if Harris wouldn't have pissed so many people off, McGuinty might not even be in office.

 

[mrmom2]

Tell me why your province always vote for liberals please,and wasn't it the consevatives that put your province in so much debt?