Report confirms oilsands pollution rising

JLM

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The capitalist economy is based on greed and perpetual growth. It is unsustainable and stupid to think that we can rape the environment in perpetuity.


Yes, big time.

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I happen to think we can have an economy AND an environment............it's the greed we have to eliminate, and then things will be done properly. I can remember when MacMillan & Bloedel logged right up to every creek and river and left a 3' depth of logging slash laying on the ground. Perfect recipe for forest fires! They finally quit doing that sh*t!
 

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I happen to think we can have an economy AND an environment............it's the greed we have to eliminate, and then things will be done properly. I can remember when MacMillan & Bloedel logged right up to every creek and river and left a 3' depth of logging slash laying on the ground. Perfect recipe for forest fires! They finally quit doing that sh*t!
Yup, and where is Mac Blo today? Dead, sold out, bought out by... wait for it... a US company that doesn't give a sh!t about or environment.
 

petros

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I sat through a talk given by this Moore guy (sponsored by Cameco) who was one of the founding guys in Greenpeace. He now promotes nuclear energy. I wish I had a transcript. The guy knows his **** and some on here could really learn a thing or two from a fella like that.

Yup, and where is Mac Blo today? Dead, sold out, bought out by... wait for it... a US company that doesn't give a sh!t about or environment.
The CDN pulp industry is toast because of enviro crack downs.
 

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The capitalist economy is based on greed and perpetual growth. It is unsustainable and stupid to think that we can rape the environment in perpetuity.
The rape happens because not all the recommendations are followed and that is to give shareholder the biggest return on their money.

Even today the technology exist that could go into the old Yukon gold mines and go through the tailings and extract everything into it's proper bin/tank. It would be done if a profit could be made, since it would cost more than it would make it isn't done. That is where the pollution comes from.
 

petros

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Where the hell do you people get the screwed up idea that there are no enviro regs and big Corps can do what ever the **** they want?
 

MHz

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I happen to think we can have an economy AND an environment............it's the greed we have to eliminate, and then things will be done properly. I can remember when MacMillan & Bloedel logged right up to every creek and river and left a 3' depth of logging slash laying on the ground. Perfect recipe for forest fires! They finally quit doing that sh*t!
How does the forest recover when a fire takes the trees right to the water? Nature uses the fire to sterilize the soil for the new seed that get blown in are going to have the best start, our controlled burns never go according to plan so seeding would be the best solution if getting a specific new crop growning.
 

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Peter Kent says Tory plan to promote economic growth and protect environment ‘is working’

OTTAWA—The Conservative government is pointing to a new greenhouse-gas report as a sign that the link between economic growth and emissions has been broken.

Environment Minister Peter Kent announced Wednesday that greenhouse-gas emissions remained stable in 2010 even as the economy grew.

“While our continued economic recovery remains our government’s top priority, today’s news demonstrates that our work to balance the need for a cleaner and healthier environment while protecting jobs and growth is working,” Kent said in a statement.

“Through a responsible, practical approach to the environment and the economy, we will continue forward on this path.

The latest national inventory report shows greenhouse gases rose by just two megatonnes, or 0.25 per cent, to 692 megatonnes in 2010. That year, the economy grew by 3.2 per cent.

Emissions fell in 2008 and 2009 during the global recession and were expected to rise as the economy recovered.

Canada has signed on to the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change and must submit a report each year on its greenhouse gases.

Last year’s report caused a stir because it left out data showing a rise in greenhouse-gas emissions from the oilsands. The previous year’s inventory included a breakdown of oilsands emissions.

This year’s inventory report is being released just days after Prime Minister Stephen Harper’s Conservatives axed an independent advisory body that used to track greenhouse-gas emissions, among other things.

The National Roundtable on the Environment and the Economy was a casualty of the latest Tory budget. The roundtable has publicly challenged the Conservatives in the past on the effectiveness of its policies to reduce greenhouse gases.

The federal government says there has been a decoupling of economic growth and rising greenhouse gases. The economy grew by 60.5 per cent between 1990 and 2010, while emissions rose by 17.5 per cent.

Canada’s emissions peaked at 751 megatonnes in 2007. The energy and transportation sectors are responsible for the rise in emissions over the last two decades.

Prime Minister Stephen Harper’s Conservatives have set a goal of lowering greenhouse-gas emissions 17 per cent below 2005 levels by 2020.

But Environment Canada says even if all the government’s actions are taken into account, and all the provinces’ actions are factored in, Canada will only get a quarter of the way to meeting its 2020 goal.

“Environment Canada admits that the current policies of federal and provincial governments will only achieve one quarter of the necessary reduction to hit the Harper government’s own climate target,” Keith Stewart of Greenpeace Canada wrote in an email.

“Rather than bringing forward a plan to achieve his own climate goal, Minister Kent is helping fast-track tar sands projects and pipelines that will increase emissions by far more than Ontario’s coal phase-out will reduce them. This is not nation-building, it is a program for climate and ultimately economic destruction.”

Peter Kent says Tory plan to promote economic growth and protect environment