Renewables overtake oil

Mowich

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It was the cheapest power-generation technology at the time.

Times change.

What happened to the armored knight as the invincible master of the battlefield, vulnerable only to another armored knight?

The Welsh longbow and the clothyard arrow, that's what happened. Near a castle called Agincourt in France.

And to add insult to injury, the entire archer corps of Henry V were equipped at less cost than one French knight. When steel's expensive, that's kinda how it goes.
Just imagine what the other side must have been thinking the very first time they laid eyes on the the Welsh longbow. Bet it was a real WTF moment. 8O:lol:
 
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"Planet of the Humans" was really an eye-opening documentary to watch.


I would suggest it to anyone who honestly thinks green energy is going to save humanity.


Watched this a few months back, Girth. It raises some very valid questions about the claims made by 'green energy' companies still, and frequently, reliant upon coal back-up or hydro. In addition, it exposes the ongoing environmental destruction in some of the world's poorest countries where companies lay waste to huge swathes of land unhindered by rule or regulation as they mine for the precious minerals that go into the manufacturing of today's technological devices.
 
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Some clever lass or lad is going to come up with an engine that can eat anything: oil from any source, alcohol, hydrogen. Another clever lad or lass will come up with hyper-efficient photovoltaics.
And some company will come along and buy the idea or the company if the lads or lassies get that far and promptly shelve it. Can't say it hasn't happened before..........but, one can always hope.
 

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Nope. Already had that "debate" with Hoid.

Boy, that was fun.
The only debate I remember having was you were going to dig into the comparison between EVs and ICE vehicles in terms of pollution.

How is your research going?

Are you ready yet to acknowledge that EVs are less polluting than ICE vehicles?

Because the entire world has understood that to be true for, oh, a number of decades now.
 

Ron in Regina

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The only debate I remember having was you were going to dig into the comparison between EVs and ICE vehicles in terms of pollution.

How is your research going?

Are you ready yet to acknowledge that EVs are less polluting than ICE vehicles?

Because the entire world has understood that to be true for, oh, a number of decades now.
It's getting late so this is my last post before bed. I recall reading a study several years back comparing an EV against a HUMVEE to show how much 'Greener' the EV was. Extreme's for example, and the results where not as expected.

It compared the sourcing of materials, lifespan of the vehicle, and decommissioning of materials used in the vehicle afterwards, etc...but they picked the wrong villain in that the Military HUMMER was suppose to last 20yrs in Military service, so it was estimated that it (the HUMVEE for civilian use) would last about 70yrs in Civilian service....and thus it skewed the numbers and actually come out as the "Greener" of the two vehicles in the study. It appealed to my sense of humor and that's why I recall it to this day.
 

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The only debate I remember having was you were going to dig into the comparison between EVs and ICE vehicles in terms of pollution.
Funny, seeing as how my question wasn't about pollution, it was about total environmental impact.

I've heard of selective memory, but you've taken it all the way to "made-up memory."
 

Hoid

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Funny, seeing as how my question wasn't about pollution, it was about total environmental impact.

I've heard of selective memory, but you've taken it all the way to "made-up memory."
Oh total environmental impact.

You were wondering if a zero emission vehicle has a greater negative total environmental impact than a vehicle that runs on gasoline?

That is a puzzle alright.
 

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Oh total environmental impact.
You were wondering if a zero emission vehicle has a greater negative total environmental impact than a vehicle that runs on gasoline?
That is a puzzle alright.

A study posted in this thread already says 1-2% more pollution by an ICE vs EV during their lifetime.
 

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Here's a current picture of a place called Mauritius which is somewhere far away.

A Japanese tanker is leaking fuel oil on a coral reef.

You'll need to include this one in your study.

 

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Here's a current picture of a place called Mauritius which is somewhere far away.

A Japanese tanker is leaking fuel oil on a coral reef.

You'll need to include this one in your study.

I wonder how many electricity spills there will be this year...?
 

Tecumsehsbones

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I'm beginning to think he actually doesn't understand the difference between production costs (in terms of environmental harm) and operating costs (in the same terms).

For that matter, he doesn't even seem to understand that the production of the electricity that runs an electric car (an operating cost) pollutes.

Ah well, religion is like that.
 
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I wonder how many electricity spills there will be this year...?

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Hoid

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He understands that this whole argument happened 20 years ago.

Only here could you still have it.