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So now the ideology (communism or socialism) doesn't have anything to do with it! I suppose we should give communism one more chance eh? :roll:

Further, try telling people here in Canada who fled communism that it was the dictators and not the communist ideology that was responsible for "those murders". "Those murders" are a pesky little fact to your communist utopia!

They're biased. Tell me, where in the communist manifesto does it say kill the opposition and terrorize populations? Its not in there. Whereas with religion one can find direct quotes from various holy books that promote murder, slavery and tyranny.
 

gerryh

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I don't have to reread what you posted. What you posted is a fairy tale. The Nazi Machine was in full swing, there was no stopping it. Sure, if the people in Germany and Russia and the rest of the World had said screw you, absolutely there'd be no war, but it's wishful thinking.

So when you post that the sheeple on both sides you actually mean what?

Tell me what we should have done to stop Hitlers march on Europe, because the Germans sure weren't stopping Hitler's March. If you're going to lay blame, lay it where it belongs.


Fine, I blame the allieds in WWI for screwing the german people after the war.



Gerry, I'm sorry that you don't understand that importance of military activities throughout the centuries. I suspect that one has to have been raised with an understanding of what was at risk during war to be able to appreciate what was won.



You're right, I really don't see the importance of murdering innocent men, women, and children. For any reason. Do you get off on it? Have multiples? For me, it makes me sick. The images of the WWI trenches, London during the blitz, the fire storms in Dresden, Nanking massacre, Hiroshima, Nagasaki, My Lai, to name just a few.

 

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Gerry, I'm sorry that you don't understand that importance of military activities throughout the centuries. I suspect that one has to have been raised with an understanding of what was at risk during war to be able to appreciate what was won.

For the people, absolutely nothing is ever gained by war. There are only loses. Only those who profit from war ever gain anything. Those who die in war do so to make the rich richer, nothing more. War is a colossal waste. Besides people, the greatest loses in war are the truth and freedom.
 

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Fine, I blame the allieds in WWI for screwing the german people after the war.


Yes that is why they instituted the Holocaust and conducted experiments on little kids and did horrific things that outweighed 1000 fold what any artillery or dropped bomb could possibly accomplish.

For the people, absolutely nothing is ever gained by war. There are only loses. Only those who profit from war ever gain anything. Those who die in war do so to make the rich richer, nothing more. War is a colossal waste. Besides people, the greatest loses in war are the truth and freedom.[/FONT]

I am quite sure those liberated at: Aushwitz, Birkenau, Belzec, Bergen Belson, Nelzec,Sobidor, Dachau and host of other death mills will take comfort in your rather simplistic view.
 

gerryh

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Actually, I think the attitude that a bullet solves everything is the simplistic view.
 

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Yes that is why they instituted the Holocaust and conducted experiments on little kids and did horrific things that outweighed 1000 fold what any artillery or dropped bomb could possibly accomplish.

It doesnt outweigh anything but the treaty of versailles was a catalyst.....
 

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It doesnt outweigh anything but the treaty of versailles was a catalyst.....

People that do this sort of thing love when others defend them.



Actually, I think the attitude that a bullet solves everything is the simplistic view.

Simplistic is your belief that anyone thinks that.
 

Johnnny

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Holy **** ret_Cdn_solider dont come at me with any of that in the future again. The treaty increased the chances of war happening, and it did. I recommend you look up the definition of the word catalyst before you assume im a nazi sympathsizer just because you dont like my opinion....
 

gerryh

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People that do this sort of thing love when others defend them.





Simplistic is your belief that anyone thinks that.



Who exactly is defending the Nazi death camps?


Anyone that picks up a weapon to use on another human is thinking exactly that, otherwise, why pick up the weapon? Or are they not thinking at all? I know..... "just following orders". Funny how that line didn't work for the German soldiers.
 

Retired_Can_Soldier

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Who exactly is defending the Nazi death camps?


Anyone that picks up a weapon to use on another human is thinking exactly that, otherwise, why pick up the weapon? Or are they not thinking at all? I know..... "just following orders". Funny how that line didn't work for the German soldiers.

I have always known that you are smarter than that, but when you get your back up your logic goes right out the window.
 

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I remember that.

The media tried to sweep that news story under the rug. I'm glad he's officially convicted now.

No the media did not. It has been reported on a number of occasions going back 6 -9 months or so. Just because you never read about it do not equate to the Pentagon / MSM hiding it.
 

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Holy **** ret_Cdn_solider dont come at me with any of that in the future again. The treaty increased the chances of war happening, and it did. I recommend you look up the definition of the word catalyst before you assume im a nazi sympathsizer just because you dont like my opinion....

Holy asterisk asterisk asterisk asterisk Johnny. I have heard lots of excuses for why the Germans started World War II and I do know what happened after the Great War. Had they simply launched a war of survival I could accept your catalyst argument, but considering how grotesque the whole thing became I hardly think that it would have been avoided.

I do not need to look up the definition of catalyst, I have studied both wars extensively.

When we look at a rabid killer (which Hitler was) we know that there may have been mitigating factors that lead them to their path, but that does not excuse their actions and all the Monday morning quarterbacking in the world wont change that.
 

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Holy asterisk asterisk asterisk asterisk Johnny. I have heard lots of excuses for why the Germans started World War II and I do know what happened after the Great War. Had they simply launched a war of survival I could accept your catalyst argument, but considering how grotesque the whole thing became I hardly think that it would have been avoided.

I do not need to look up the definition of catalyst, I have studied both wars extensively.

When we look at a rabid killer (which Hitler was) we know that there may have been mitigating factors that lead them to their path, but that does not excuse their actions and all the Monday morning quarterbacking in the world wont change that.

Well the way i look at it, those mitigating factors are the reason why someone like hitler could manipulate the people. The fact the SS and german government even commited the holocaust does not automatically make the The Treaty Of Versailles an footnote in history. And thats why i say it was the Catalyst.... And im also going to say that the German People of the time dont deserve to shoulder the blame, that is wrong...Thats what im saying and im not a fascist sympathziser...
 

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You're right, I really don't see the importance of murdering innocent men, women, and children. For any reason. Do you get off on it? Have multiples? For me, it makes me sick. The images of the WWI trenches, London during the blitz, the fire storms in Dresden, Nanking massacre, Hiroshima, Nagasaki, My Lai, to name just a few.

Did you know that during WW2, the Germans not only occupied the homes of Dutch people, but they took away their radios, cars, bicycles, horses, newborn calves (they liked veal), silverware and anything else they felt like taking? Then they put a photo of Hitler on the wall and tested the beliefs of the homeowners by asking young children what they thought of HItler. Should we allow someone to enter our homes with guns and threats of death, take what they want and tell us how to live, or should we do something to protect our rights?

Germany annexed Austria and then decided to annex Poland. Poland was protected by France and England, so there was little choice but to oppose Germany. Should everyone have allowed Germany to continue annexing and murdering anyone with different beliefs?
 

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And im also going to say that the German People of the time dont deserve to shoulder the blame, that is wrong...Thats what im saying and im not a fascist sympathziser...

No, I would say you are wrong. The German people of that era absolutely shoulder the blame. While they enjoyed the spoils of Hitler's conquests, men women and children were marched into gas chambers and ovens. They were not blind to the trains or the stench coming from those dark satanic mills. There were some Germans who stood up against this, but the majority were complicit.

That is why Germans keeps the camps and memorials and the education, because the blame was theirs to shoulder. Something they should never forget or repeat.
 

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I was unable to attend a service today, but I did stop at 11am, and observed a moment of silence, for fallen Soldiers, family, friends, and the civilians that lost there lives and way of life in conflict.

When that moment was up. I said a prayer for my brothers, sisters and civilians in harms way today.

On the way home, I stopped at the Cenotaph in town, placed a small pouch of tobacco with my poppy pinned to it, on the base of the monument and said my prayer again.
 

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Holy asterisk asterisk asterisk asterisk Johnny. I have heard lots of excuses for why the Germans started World War II and I do know what happened after the Great War. Had they simply launched a war of survival I could accept your catalyst argument, but considering how grotesque the whole thing became I hardly think that it would have been avoided.

I do not need to look up the definition of catalyst, I have studied both wars extensively.

When we look at a rabid killer (which Hitler was) we know that there may have been mitigating factors that lead them to their path, but that does not excuse their actions and all the Monday morning quarterbacking in the world wont change that.

Priot to WW1 when one lost, land was exchanged - After the bloodbath of WW1 it was decided that massive reparations payments were to be paid by Germany - Most of the countries output - production etc went towards payment. The Treaty did lay the floor for Hitler to rise. That combined with the depression also contributed to his rise to power. Also Germany did not enact Laws that could have sent these types to prison. Weak Govt. The country was in a mess in every way possible.