Okay.
Here's the Elephant Man argument.
You know what he said ?
You know why he had to plead it ?
Here's the Elephant Man argument.
You know what he said ?
You know why he had to plead it ?
Religious Left
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You remember, of course, the deformed man, who
had elephantitis ? The Elephant Man was a movie about
this gent who pleaded, "I'm a human being..."
We have cartoons of everybody we don't understand.
There's more dimension to anybody we cartoonize.
had elephantitis ? The Elephant Man was a movie about
this gent who pleaded, "I'm a human being..."
We have cartoons of everybody we don't understand.
There's more dimension to anybody we cartoonize.
OK I do understand your point. I really do, I mean Ive pledged my life to seeing more than what is obvious. But I also see what my family is being dragged down by. A few Im sure but real none the less. Do you see my point? To some the far right/left ARE a way of life.
I'm of the opinion that our own opinions of politics
are the least defining characteristic of who we are.
What we do in our lives, how we treat others, how
we treat our own family, how we gain the confidence
and hope to do well in our jobs and career, how we
instill good habits of work and care, are for more
important than the ideological cartoons we blather
on and on and on about.
Don't get me wrong.
I like to blather.
Or ?
Bloviate.
are the least defining characteristic of who we are.
What we do in our lives, how we treat others, how
we treat our own family, how we gain the confidence
and hope to do well in our jobs and career, how we
instill good habits of work and care, are for more
important than the ideological cartoons we blather
on and on and on about.
Don't get me wrong.
I like to blather.
Or ?
Bloviate.
Re: RE: Religious Left
I TOTALLY agree
I think Ive said it once or twice around here. Im not brilliant like most of you, but discussing things and looking subjects up make me a little bit brighter.
jimmoyer said:
I TOTALLY agree
I think Ive said it once or twice around here. Im not brilliant like most of you, but discussing things and looking subjects up make me a little bit brighter.
If that is what you believe than you ought to see more
past the Texas cartoons, the Christian right cartoons.
But let me give you an age old cartoon of
conservatives and liberals.
Conservatives are the Tin Man, looking for a heart.
Liberals are the Scarecrow, looking for a brain.
Politicians are the Lion, looking for courage and always
pleading, LET GO OF MY TAIL.
Every political post in this forum subscribes to this
great movie.
So you wonder who the munchkins are ?
Or the Mayor of Munchkinville ?
Or the Wicked Witch of the West ?
Or what about that Man behind the Curtain.
Everything you see here in this BABBLE-ON, is all
about the Yellow Brick Road.
past the Texas cartoons, the Christian right cartoons.
But let me give you an age old cartoon of
conservatives and liberals.
Conservatives are the Tin Man, looking for a heart.
Liberals are the Scarecrow, looking for a brain.
Politicians are the Lion, looking for courage and always
pleading, LET GO OF MY TAIL.
Every political post in this forum subscribes to this
great movie.
So you wonder who the munchkins are ?
Or the Mayor of Munchkinville ?
Or the Wicked Witch of the West ?
Or what about that Man behind the Curtain.
Everything you see here in this BABBLE-ON, is all
about the Yellow Brick Road.
I guess that makes me Dorathy.......I just want to go home.
I see your point and I concede that subscibing to these cartoons only perpetuates the extremes and the extreme ideas we have of such people. (Im not being very clear )
But tell me.....people like Jim Jones.......where do you put him?
I see your point and I concede that subscibing to these cartoons only perpetuates the extremes and the extreme ideas we have of such people. (Im not being very clear
) But tell me.....people like Jim Jones.......where do you put him?
LOL Jimm
a thought though: Could it be possible that the Christian left might just 'infiltrate' the right a tad - remind them what it was that Jesus was teaching?
Wouldn't that be nice? Maybe there is a middle ground - if everyone would just make room for it?
ah me... the eternal optomist ...... still hopin'.....
yadayadayada
a thought though: Could it be possible that the Christian left might just 'infiltrate' the right a tad - remind them what it was that Jesus was teaching?
Wouldn't that be nice? Maybe there is a middle ground - if everyone would just make room for it?
ah me... the eternal optomist ...... still hopin'.....
yadayadayada
Re: RE: Religious Left
No, it isn't a matter of cartoons. I read papers, I talk to people from the region you live in. I see states like South Dakota doing their best to make sure that everyone lives by their values (ie making abortion illegal.) If the Christian Right (tm) wasn't something to fear, they'd leave us to live our lives the way we wanted.
jimmoyer said:
No, it isn't a matter of cartoons. I read papers, I talk to people from the region you live in. I see states like South Dakota doing their best to make sure that everyone lives by their values (ie making abortion illegal.) If the Christian Right (tm) wasn't something to fear, they'd leave us to live our lives the way we wanted.
Cosmo listed some ideals or traits at the beginning of this thread, love, tolerance, charity, patients, honesty none of these qualitys are religious, they are human. The dogma of organized religion quickly overpowers these good ways and pretends to be the source. Religious left, religious right, religious center, they're all religious and when the heats on they'll feed you god instead of soup. There is no time left for religion. God doesn't care.
It's still nowhere near what the headlines and cartoons
proclaim.
There's a lot of legitimate debate on culture
and values and rights by both sides.
And in the middle
of it all are the majority who go about the business of
their lives who in reality are more affected by what
they do themselves than anything we read in the news.
proclaim.
There's a lot of legitimate debate on culture
and values and rights by both sides.
And in the middle
of it all are the majority who go about the business of
their lives who in reality are more affected by what
they do themselves than anything we read in the news.
Two quotations that cut to the heart of the matter:
"Religious people who believe in high taxes?
I though Christians thought theft was a sin? "
"I'm afraid of any group so dedicated to their own moral agenda that they try and force everyone else to live by it. It doesn't matter whether it comes from the left or the right."
On the one hand, you have Christians identifying themselves with traditional political issues, and saying that's their demarcation line for being right or left. On the other, you have Christians saying that Christianity and Christian values are a political issue and not just a religious issue. By extension, those on the Christian right want to impose their moral system, as in the point of abortion.
What I can add to the question
The Left has a religion in the sense of dogmas and deeply held beliefs. In fact, a Harvard prof was recently prevented obtaining tenure since his mostly left-wing colleagues disliked his writing in contradiction to those dogmas. The point is that they're trying to impose their beliefs and thoughts by stifling opposition. Blogger Dr Sanity has a post on denial where she mentions concerted efforts by left-wingers to pan Conservative books in an effort to limit their sales.
That's the real scary thing about the Left's religion.
I wrote about it here: http://centrerion.blogspot.com/2006...Left's Holy Inquisition Against Conservatives.
I'm a centrist by the way, and you may care to see my hollering denunciation of http://centrerion.blogspot.com/2006/04/father-richard-john-neuhaus-or.htmlAmerica's Catholic Terrorist Ideologue, a man President Bush chummily calls "Father Richard,"</a> Father Richard John Neuhaus. He advocates violence to "defend" Catholicism. I wrote this denunciation in the context of a reference to a New Republic article on the man, written by a former employee.
So yeah... how's about some tolerance. For all beliefs, not just religious ones.
Lecentre
Centrerion Canadian Politics
http://centrerion.blogspot.com
"Religious people who believe in high taxes?
I though Christians thought theft was a sin? "
"I'm afraid of any group so dedicated to their own moral agenda that they try and force everyone else to live by it. It doesn't matter whether it comes from the left or the right."
On the one hand, you have Christians identifying themselves with traditional political issues, and saying that's their demarcation line for being right or left. On the other, you have Christians saying that Christianity and Christian values are a political issue and not just a religious issue. By extension, those on the Christian right want to impose their moral system, as in the point of abortion.
What I can add to the question
The Left has a religion in the sense of dogmas and deeply held beliefs. In fact, a Harvard prof was recently prevented obtaining tenure since his mostly left-wing colleagues disliked his writing in contradiction to those dogmas. The point is that they're trying to impose their beliefs and thoughts by stifling opposition. Blogger Dr Sanity has a post on denial where she mentions concerted efforts by left-wingers to pan Conservative books in an effort to limit their sales.
That's the real scary thing about the Left's religion.
I wrote about it here: http://centrerion.blogspot.com/2006...Left's Holy Inquisition Against Conservatives.
I'm a centrist by the way, and you may care to see my hollering denunciation of http://centrerion.blogspot.com/2006/04/father-richard-john-neuhaus-or.htmlAmerica's Catholic Terrorist Ideologue, a man President Bush chummily calls "Father Richard,"</a> Father Richard John Neuhaus. He advocates violence to "defend" Catholicism. I wrote this denunciation in the context of a reference to a New Republic article on the man, written by a former employee.
So yeah... how's about some tolerance. For all beliefs, not just religious ones.
Lecentre
Centrerion Canadian Politics
http://centrerion.blogspot.com
Well I know those on the left and the right here will ignore what I'm about to say so I'll be brief. The Left wing in Canada, that of the New Democratic Party and it's party before the CCF were made by the religous left in Canada. Almost all the leaders of these parties were religous men and "Canadians Greatist Canadian" (CBC) Tommy Douglas was actually a Minister of a church. Also the early and even the late socialists movements were all extremely religous. It was only with Marxism that religion was pushed aside.