Religion, suicide terrorism link disputed in book
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James Joyce, ULYSSES, no worries there jimmy, you don't write like him at all... I am still waiting for the answer to my question, why do you think the arab world holds such hostility toward the american government, I would like an answer, surely you must ask yourself and the others that deal in your head the same questions. What are the roots for this hate, it did not just happen...Could you expand on why it has come to this.
Good question, Twila.
Short answer? I don't know.
All I know that is if the terrorism stopped, Iraqis would then be building a future for themselves.
The insurgency is losing its soul killing their brothers, killing their children, killing its own heart.
But the sin of America is big in the eye of the world, so big it blots out another truth equally daunting.
Short answer? I don't know.
All I know that is if the terrorism stopped, Iraqis would then be building a future for themselves.
The insurgency is losing its soul killing their brothers, killing their children, killing its own heart.
But the sin of America is big in the eye of the world, so big it blots out another truth equally daunting.
LOL, Peapod, thank your Allah that I don't write like James Joyce or Faulkner. That stream of consciousness style gives you no time for a commercial break or for a bathroom pitstop.
The history of the Arab anger not only for America but for most of the western world goes from the shores of Tripoli in 1812 to the Serbians stopping the muslim invasion of Europe in the Kosovo province, to which the Serbs style themselves as the Christian heroes for Europe to this day. Of course the muslims reached Vienna, but Kosovo was a turning point in the tide.
American policy finely tuned to the highest levels of hypocrisy can be found in an Associated Press photo of Rumsfeld shaking Saddam's hand when we played one adversary against another adversary during the war Iraq started with Iran that led for 8 years.
Forward on to the First Gulf War of Bush senior. He was able to assemble a true coalition because of a deal he made with the devil. The promise to Saudi Arabia and Turkey who feared a power vacuum that would invite the insurgency we see today and the promise to Europe that we would NOT take over Baghdad but rather just kick Iraq out of it invasion of Kuwait, truly was a bad bargain that led to the 2nd Gulf War.
And so we stood idly by after that first war as we watched Saddam butcher the Shi-ites to the south and the Kurds to the north.
Think of a picture of the miles of mass burials from these slaughters. Dig it?
We should have broken our deal to Europe, Saudi and Turkey because that nation was ready after the first war to do it right.
In the end, the nature of hate is ultimately self-wounding.
The history of the Arab anger not only for America but for most of the western world goes from the shores of Tripoli in 1812 to the Serbians stopping the muslim invasion of Europe in the Kosovo province, to which the Serbs style themselves as the Christian heroes for Europe to this day. Of course the muslims reached Vienna, but Kosovo was a turning point in the tide.
American policy finely tuned to the highest levels of hypocrisy can be found in an Associated Press photo of Rumsfeld shaking Saddam's hand when we played one adversary against another adversary during the war Iraq started with Iran that led for 8 years.
Forward on to the First Gulf War of Bush senior. He was able to assemble a true coalition because of a deal he made with the devil. The promise to Saudi Arabia and Turkey who feared a power vacuum that would invite the insurgency we see today and the promise to Europe that we would NOT take over Baghdad but rather just kick Iraq out of it invasion of Kuwait, truly was a bad bargain that led to the 2nd Gulf War.
And so we stood idly by after that first war as we watched Saddam butcher the Shi-ites to the south and the Kurds to the north.
Think of a picture of the miles of mass burials from these slaughters. Dig it?
We should have broken our deal to Europe, Saudi and Turkey because that nation was ready after the first war to do it right.
In the end, the nature of hate is ultimately self-wounding.
Re: RE: Religion, suicide terrorism link disputed in book
You forgot the 11 years of barbaric sanctions that killed millions of Iraqis. You are pointing the finger at a dictator who was supported by you to do the killing and forgetting to point the finger at the US government for adopting to deadliest sanctions ever.
jimmoyer said:
You forgot the 11 years of barbaric sanctions that killed millions of Iraqis. You are pointing the finger at a dictator who was supported by you to do the killing and forgetting to point the finger at the US government for adopting to deadliest sanctions ever.
Then my question to you, to foster more thinking on the matter is:
Who is letting Iraq hang on its own?
Who is letting Iraq hang on its own?
Iraq was doing fine in the first place. There was no threat to the US. Iraq never had a single suicide bomber or an active cell to attack the US. The US decided to attack for many reasons such as 1) Not finding the real culprit. 2) control of oil 3) vendetta for the failure of Bush the first and many many more.
Why does everyone easily forget the Gulf War was sanctioned by the UN? And many other countries were involved in implementing the post war sanctions also?
Your same reasoning if it remains consistent would be to stop your 200 Canadians from going into Dafur, or stopping the ethnic cleansing in Yugoslavia in a continent that promised after WWII such evil would never happen again on its soil.
Perhaps imminent danger is the kind of thing that only happens to you and not when it happens to others?
It's a legit question to help you define imminent danger.
And nothing wrong with Iraq in the first place?
That statement would appear too glib to the average Kurd or Shi-ite or even the moderate Sunni or the minorities such as the Assyrian christians and Chaldeans (amazing they still call themselves that) or from the families who were too afraid of their own family members to turn them in to the police state of a man who fashioned himself to be the next Kim of North Korea.
Perhaps imminent danger is the kind of thing that only happens to you and not when it happens to others?
It's a legit question to help you define imminent danger.
And nothing wrong with Iraq in the first place?
That statement would appear too glib to the average Kurd or Shi-ite or even the moderate Sunni or the minorities such as the Assyrian christians and Chaldeans (amazing they still call themselves that) or from the families who were too afraid of their own family members to turn them in to the police state of a man who fashioned himself to be the next Kim of North Korea.
Supporting the demon is not only an active matter but a passive one as well, so don't fight too hard to exempt yourself or other countries from responsibility to let something fester.
Well, take for example the Yugoslavian wars in the 1990s.
Europe sat it out. That's passive.
Only until President Clinton led the charge to stop the ethnic cleansing, a matter of no imminent danger to America, in 98 or 99.
Watching a mugging is a passive act.
There is no imminent danger to you, but are you responsible for allowing that mugging in progress?
Europe sat it out. That's passive.
Only until President Clinton led the charge to stop the ethnic cleansing, a matter of no imminent danger to America, in 98 or 99.
Watching a mugging is a passive act.
There is no imminent danger to you, but are you responsible for allowing that mugging in progress?
RE: Religion, suicide ter
That was 14 years ago and has nothing to do with this occupation.
This illegal war of "W's" was not sanctioned. There was absolutly no need or reason for this illegal war and illegal occupation. Bush was hell bent going in no matter what. He just said there were WMD to play on the publics fear. Bush is a terrible evil person and deserves to be tried as a war criminal along with a few others.
That was 14 years ago and has nothing to do with this occupation.
This illegal war of "W's" was not sanctioned. There was absolutly no need or reason for this illegal war and illegal occupation. Bush was hell bent going in no matter what. He just said there were WMD to play on the publics fear. Bush is a terrible evil person and deserves to be tried as a war criminal along with a few others.
Re: RE: Religion, suicide ter
I was asking a question in response to mogs:
"3) vendetta for the failure of Bush the first and many many more."
Yes it wasn't, but neither was the war in Serbia, when they were slaughtering muslims by the thousands. The reason Bush is considered a terrible evil person is because Russia and Germany had oil contracts in Iraq. If they hadn't, we would have a another angle on the topic.
Bush should not have gone in without support from traditional allies, period. He could of waited a bit longer.
no1important said:
I was asking a question in response to mogs:
"3) vendetta for the failure of Bush the first and many many more."
Yes it wasn't, but neither was the war in Serbia, when they were slaughtering muslims by the thousands. The reason Bush is considered a terrible evil person is because Russia and Germany had oil contracts in Iraq. If they hadn't, we would have a another angle on the topic.
Bush should not have gone in without support from traditional allies, period. He could of waited a bit longer.