Religion, suicide terrorism link disputed in book

peapod

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Well jimmy you got the demon line down pat...never mind that your government supported the demon until decided to take over the oil.
It still does not answer my question tho, why are arabs so hostile to the american government? its not only about Iraq, it goes much deeper than that, and before that. So where does this comes from? what are the reasons? Are any of the arab compliants justified in your eyes?

To be honest, I find it sickening that you people use the monster card to justify what your government did. He was a monster long before Iraq was invaded, in fact the opportunity was there to get him in the first gulf war.

No one can disagree that saddam was a blimp on the scale, a very distrubed monster, but instead of dealing with bin laden, they go after sadam, don't forget there is not a shred of evidence that the orginial made up reason Weapons of mass destruction were not there. It was made up!

You know at some point that texas weasel could have come before the world, hat in hand, a "tiny" bit of humility and honor. Nope just a loud mouth who cannot even talk properly, telling the rest of us we are with him or agin him, and of course "or else" Well churchill he is not. Its mind boggling how anyone could call this man intelligent. He is a greedy little prick, and has no regard for human life, unless its attached to an oil rig. Blah! to him and his pathetic speeches....
 

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Well I guess I am on a roll so I will rant on, which is just my own opinion.
I also despise the way you try to use "democracy" as the reason for unjust and unfair actions. What an oxymoran, the very act of trying to "force" it upon another makes it null and void.

The strange thing is, not that long ago america showed the world the real gem of demoracy, when they had their elections, there was no president, in most parts of the world that would have lead to a civil war. That's the kind of thing you should be showing the rest of the world. No one noticed probally, and that is your fault.
 

jimmoyer

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Peapod, thanks for responding. Your ire is given sincere credit ---- not that you need it from me and so it is not necessary you tell me you don't need it, but just wanted to honor the sincerety of your view.

Your view is a fact of life around the world.

I know a lot of things to say back to encourage more conversation, but for this moment it's just important to give you your due and to most of the world the anger it feels.

I do believe this anger is going to have some unpredictable results that will defy all those who are angry any predictions they have.

This anger of the world is not just going to commit the sin of understanding the rationale behind the terrorists but it is also going to be less vigilant or judgemental on the evil they will ultimately bring.

Hate looks for a reason to survive.
 

jimmoyer

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I thought I did.
You didn't see the statement of Rumsfeld shaking hands with Saddam? And how America played adversary against adversary in the Iraq and Iran war in the 80s ? Or here's something extra for me to admit: how America supported bin Laden and the Taliban and anyone else, like the "Northern Alliance" of warlords in Afghanistan to fight against the Soviet Union, also in the 80s ?

I would like for you to see my answer as sincere, but you won't accept anything less than simplicity itself and simplicity itself actually begs an honorable and legitimate debate that you will not countenance.
 

peapod

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No jimmy that does not exactly fit for me, I think its something much deeper than that and goes back much further. Maybe you can find out for me and let me know.
 

jimmoyer

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Peapod, one of the questions you asked in your post previously, if any of the Arab complaints are justified.

Arab complaints are justified and we can keep it simple, but again simplicity itself does beg for honest legitmate debate.

Guide me to what you are seeking, Peapod.

At this point I don't whether it's a french fry or a pebble anymore.

:)

And the deeper reasons, well hell that goes way way way back. What are you aiming at there?

Hmmm...french fry is as hard as a pebble.
 

jimmoyer

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It is disrespectful to call you a terrorist advocate, moghrabi.

But short of repeating that lack of courtesy, do we have a little room to do enough battle where you don't have to worry about my feelings or yours?

Peapod doesn't, she's got me betwixt a fry and a pebble or a phone up my butt. And Reverend Blair doesn't care a wit or whit, which is it? Anyone? Bueller?

:)


You have certainly assumed a great many things about me from your posts.

Let's shake

rattle

and roll, dude.

:)
 

moghrabi

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I am not going to fall for your rambling here calling me a terrorist advocate. I am not worried about your feelings one bit. If you want to debate a topic, let's do it in a proper manner.

I never assumed anything about you from your posts. Your posts are so ambigiuos I don't know which side of the fence you are on.

If you are american, I have nothing against you. If you are a noecon American, the whole world have something against you, not only me.
 

Ocean Breeze

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jim:"Hey, guess what happens for Iraq if the terrorism stops? "


you tell us.


if one is to "guess"......Iraq will have a "US friendly" gov't.....with the US pulling the strings. US will complete their massive military bases in Iraq......which offers the US a strategic position should they want to go on and invade Iraq's neighbors.

But don't think it will be the "cake walk" that the USG in its stupidity and arrogance believed it would be. It has been far too prolonged now. Resentment in Iraq has replaced the feeble optimism --or was it temporary euphoria ??- post deposing SH.

It is very advisable to read some of the reports coming in from Iraq and what the situation is REALLY like there. Homes are being raided at random, people are disappearing , Families have been shattered. But when one listens to the US (bs) side of things......one would think that the US is doing them some kind of favor. Might be time for the bush desciples to wake up and smell the body rot.
 

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You know....the real crime isn't in Iraq,though that's what GWB would have all of us believe.
No,the world will look back at our international inattention to famine,poverty,disease...all things we in the west have managed to overcome(except for our poverty of spirit,I'd dare say)....but,we don't seem willing to share our resources,knowledge or medicines.
 

peapod

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Ya, gimmie some of those freedom fries... a pebble can also easily skim across a flat surface of water, revealed to me when I was but a young grasshopper, not quite ready to walk on rice paper
 

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You know....the real crime isn't in Iraq,though that's what GWB would have all of us believe.
No,the world will look back at our international inattention to famine,poverty,disease...all things we in the west have managed to overcome(except for our poverty of spirit,I'd dare say)....but,we don't seem willing to share our resources,knowledge or medicines.

Iraq is really just an extension of that, anna. Poverty, illness and disease have always been a part of imperialism. The imperialistic country comes in to take what it get for whatever reasons, and the people who have to live the result are allowed to suffer for it.

Iraq is just another example of that, albeit an more extreme one than usual.
 

I think not

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Reverend Blair said:
You know....the real crime isn't in Iraq,though that's what GWB would have all of us believe.
No,the world will look back at our international inattention to famine,poverty,disease...all things we in the west have managed to overcome(except for our poverty of spirit,I'd dare say)....but,we don't seem willing to share our resources,knowledge or medicines.

Iraq is really just an extension of that, anna. Poverty, illness and disease have always been a part of imperialism. The imperialistic country comes in to take what it get for whatever reasons, and the people who have to live the result are allowed to suffer for it.

Iraq is just another example of that, albeit an more extreme one than usual.

Well lets all hope socialism will prevail, in about 200 years or so?
 

Reverend Blair

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What the hell are you talking about I think not? Socialism, the democratic sort, has already prevailed in much of the world.