Yes Genocide does fit the bill - But when it is perpetrated on a small scale as it is in many countries, over an extended period of time, decades - The world looks away - I mean the West in particular - The selection by an Iranian Police official to bring charges against a small number of Bahia with the resulting tortured confession, show trials, long prison term or execution would not meet the broad standards that are defined by Genocide. yet the practice of terrorizing Bahia - Heretics according to the Shia faith and Govt - If you can as is happening in the Mid East in particular, convince many to emigrate over decades, by the use of what I have described in the thread topic, I do not believe it would meet the standards of Genocide - It would be impossible to prove in a Court of Law -
Religicide - The deliberate cleansing thru a variety of techniques including mass mur
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LOL! Some good ones tonight!!
~~ self hating Jews ~~
No such thing except for those who worked with Rudolph Kastner and the like.
~~ self hating Yankee Doodle ~~
You should know by now that I ain't no Repukeblican. Would rather slice my throat than be one.
~~ drugs ~~
Never touch the stuff - I'm a big believer in chemical free living.
~~ open wide ~~
Me? Straight, no chaser.
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~~ before we focus on other countries, let's clean up our own backyard ~~
That's what I always say. But according to that genius who started this thread that makes us a couple of commie-pinko-degenerate-liberal-America/Canada haters who seek to undermine the moral fabric of society. And worse still, this, according to him, makes us Democrats!
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~~ Nice euphemism ~~
Especially when applied to others while ignoring the ignoble sins that take place at home.
~~ self hating Jews ~~
No such thing except for those who worked with Rudolph Kastner and the like.
~~ self hating Yankee Doodle ~~
You should know by now that I ain't no Repukeblican. Would rather slice my throat than be one.
~~ drugs ~~
Never touch the stuff - I'm a big believer in chemical free living.
~~ open wide ~~
Me? Straight, no chaser.
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~~ before we focus on other countries, let's clean up our own backyard ~~
That's what I always say. But according to that genius who started this thread that makes us a couple of commie-pinko-degenerate-liberal-America/Canada haters who seek to undermine the moral fabric of society. And worse still, this, according to him, makes us Democrats!
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~~ Nice euphemism ~~
Especially when applied to others while ignoring the ignoble sins that take place at home.
''You been on that all veggie diet - went to your head.''
Now, now. Naughty - naughty.
Mustn't engage in any form of mischaracterization! Besides, I just had a chicken dinner and it was yummy!
Now, now. Naughty - naughty.
Mustn't engage in any form of mischaracterization! Besides, I just had a chicken dinner and it was yummy!
Oh come on. While I do agree that we have to do something to protect the oppressed in these countries, I think it's a little rich of us to not criticize ourselves at the same time. For crying out loud, just last provincial election, the issue of discrimination in the school system came up, and those candidates who stood up to it stood not a chance. The party that won the most seats was the one that had defended the injustice most vocally. Those who voted for them are now the same ones screaming about injustices abroad. Just a little rich, don't you think? Oh yes, and we're still occupying native lands that don't belong to us as per treaty. But let's stay mum on that, shall we.
Let's put it this way: while I can agree with what you say in principle, how about we be equally critical of ourselves. In other words, criticism of other countries should not come at the expense of living up to human rights standards at home. Also, pointing to worse offenses abroad does not sanctify our lesser offenses at home, especially when the population overwhelmingly and democraticaly efends these injustices!
Now just to clarify: if we had the support of the international community behind us to fight a legal war against Iran for its human rights violations, and that this war would be careful not to hurt my friends in Iran (I have many Baha'i friends, and they have family members in Iran, capich, so it's a little more personal for me there), I could certainly go for it. With international backing and UN approval, we could ensure a much wider international support for the war, thus preventing Iran from finding allies, sympathisers, or neutral states ready to defend it or at least turn a blind eye. This would mean the entire world would permit this war against Iran and would respect any sanction against it, just as was the case with Afghanistan. However, it would have to be a war directed specifically against the government and not the people, and with a clear exit stratey at the beginning. Again, I'm not opposed to the idea as long as it's a just war and a legal war in the eyes of international law.
What pisses me off though is how Canadians can so smugly cry out against injustices abroad and then actively support, promote and defend them in our own laws and constitution. It's makes a hypocrite of our country.
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Goober man you have got to get over the Muslim obsession. Sure there are some pretty nasty elements within the Islamic world, but think of it as the natural backlash for Western meddling in the Middle East for past couple centuries.
The reason why people tend to "focus" on Israel and the US is because between the two of them, they have done more in the way of state atrocities within the last half-century than...wait for it...ALL OTHER STATES IN THE WORLD COMBINED. I'm not talking about some KKK running around hanging black guys or settlers blowing away Palestinian peasants here, I'm talking about what, according to international law are quite clearly war crimes. And considering the massive civilian death tolls involved, I'd say there' s something to be said for claims of human rights violations.
The fact that people here look to the faults of fanatics in the mostly ruined Islamic world, while their own governments continue to engage in illegal and murderous wars there is a testament to the general population's state of denial.
Goober man you have got to get over the Muslim obsession. Sure there are some pretty nasty elements within the Islamic world, but think of it as the natural backlash for Western meddling in the Middle East for past couple centuries.
The reason why people tend to "focus" on Israel and the US is because between the two of them, they have done more in the way of state atrocities within the last half-century than...wait for it...ALL OTHER STATES IN THE WORLD COMBINED. I'm not talking about some KKK running around hanging black guys or settlers blowing away Palestinian peasants here, I'm talking about what, according to international law are quite clearly war crimes. And considering the massive civilian death tolls involved, I'd say there' s something to be said for claims of human rights violations.
The fact that people here look to the faults of fanatics in the mostly ruined Islamic world, while their own governments continue to engage in illegal and murderous wars there is a testament to the general population's state of denial.
That is very well said. Most North Americans do not understand that the decadence that they like to parade around as a sign of our superiority as a civilization is dependent on the subjugation and exploitation of the rest of the world.