Red River Floodway Master Labour Agreement

Jay

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Lock this topic, if thats what your going to do.
 

mrmom2

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Oh I get it Jay the American can insult me and not get censored but me being Canadian cannot fight back .I don"t know where your from but out here we don'ttake s..t from anybody .Especialy somebody that hides.He feels free to talk abou t where we live but nobody has any clue where he is .Pretty hard to throw my two cents in about his states policys .
 

EagleSmack

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Give it a rest before you get us all in trouble.


I'm taking a lunch break in the Zionist Occupied and Controlled Territories. :lol:
 

Jay

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Re: RE: Red River Floodway Master Labour Agreement

mrmom2 said:
.I don"t know where your from but

I'm from Ontario.

mrmom2 said:
out here we don'ttake s..t from anybody .

I’m not under that impression. Your in BC, and many of us in Ontario believe that its quite the little workers paradise out there, which sort of implies you take shit from just about anybody.


mrmom2 said:
Pretty hard to throw my two cents in about his states policys .

So you resort to calling him a puke? How about if it’s that hard to discuss his states policies, you don't bother discussing them, instead of name calling.
 

Reverend Blair

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RE: Red River Floodway Ma

How about we wander back towards the topic? I'll start.

Hey, we used to drink beer out by the floodway sometimes. Once me and Zen came most of the way back from Selkirk on it with a rototiller in the back of my truck. I think it likely took far longer and the route may have been convoluted, but it was worth it. It's a wonderful place for that sort of thing, but definitely needs a rebuild so it can serve it's main purpose of keeping half of the population of the province safe from chronic flooding.

The economic boost that the floodway upgrade will bring is a boon to the entire province, not just the Winnipeg area. The extra money paid to workers because of the Master Agreement will be a definite bonus to workers and every place they spend their money...from beer stores to car dealerships. The spin-offs are huge and will aid not just the economy, but the quality of life for all Manitobans.
 

Jay

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The extra money paid to workers because of the Master Agreement will be a definite bonus to workers and every place they spend their money...from beer stores to car dealerships.


Can your province afford this?
 

tibear

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It depends on the books you look at!

The NDP claim they don't have a deficit but the auditor says that last year they have a $600 million deficit.
 

Reverend Blair

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RE: Red River Floodway Ma

The NDP are following the same method of accounting that the Filmon government did, Tibear. They are doing it without selling off assets like profitable Crown Corporations that we paid to build though.

Yes Jay, we can afford the floodway. No Tibear, we aren't running a deficit.
 

tibear

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Oh really. Can you explain why the government used the Manitoba Hydro profits in its budget to balance it books one year and then the next year when Hydro had a $350 million deficit, the government completely ignored Hydro and its deficit. Then this year, when Hydro was profitable they again used these numbers in their budget.

Explain that one!

Oh BTW, the Filmon government NEVER stole money from the crown corporations like Hydro. Yes they sold MTS and it has turned out to be a good move. I don't see the NDP rushing to buy it back!!
 

Reverend Blair

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RE: Red River Floodway Ma

The Tories dicked around with profits from MPI and MTS in the same way the NDP are with Hydro. It's the same accounting method to do exactly the same thing.

Filmon played a neat little game with MTS though. First he sold off a bunch of fibre optics to his friends at bargain basement rates, then he sold off MTS at a reduced rate because they didn't have that technology.

Since MTS has been privatised, basic phone services have gone up every year. There are a lot of poor people who now can't afford a telephone because of it.

This thread is about the Floodway Agreement though...how about we wander back towards that. You can always start a new thread for your other accusations.
 

tibear

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What proof do you have with regards to your "poor can't afford a telephone"??

Hard numbers from reputable source. Not NDP propaganda.

Vanni,

I found this newsletter from the heavy construction industry of Manitoba who should know what is in the master labour agreement:
http://www.mhca.mb.ca/HeavyNews/march17-05-bulletin.pdf

It confirms the fact that the non-union workers do not have the right to privacy. Every workers name and home address MUST be released to the union offices even though the worker isn't officially part of the union.
 

Reverend Blair

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What proof do you have with regards to your "poor can't afford a telephone"??

It has been a recurring story on the local news for years now, Tibear. It comes up practically every time there is a sotry on poverty in the province. You can also just look at your telephone bill and see where the increases have been.

It confirms the fact that the non-union workers do not have the right to privacy. Every workers name and home address MUST be released to the union offices even though the worker isn't officially part of the union.

As I said before, that is a requirement for tax reasons...no different than if you hire somebody from manpower for a day. If they don't have that information, then the workers cannot claim their dues at tax time.
 

tibear

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How many people do you know of that can't afford a telephone????

It isn't the union that is collecting the dues. It's their employers. If I don't want to have anything to do with the union, why am I forced to not only pay dues to them but have them harrassing me with their propaganda newsletters???

Simply have the employers issue their T4's with the union dues and be done with it. The unions don't care where the "gift" they are receiving comes from. The only reason would be to try to get their union message out to the "uneducated".
 

Reverend Blair

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How many people do you know of that can't afford a telephone????

Quite a few actually...I used to hire them for day labour.

Simply have the employers issue their T4's with the union dues and be done with it. The unions don't care where the "gift" they are receiving comes from. The only reason would be to try to get their union message out to the "uneducated".

I'm not in charge ofthe tax laws, Tibear. Neither is the provincial government...it's a federal requirement. As I recall it was Brian Mulroney, a Conservative Prime Minister, who reduced how much of your union dues were tax deductible by the way.
 

tibear

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RB,

I don't believe your "phone" people assertion.

As for the tax deduction, I believe that all of the union dues are deductable. I don't think that has changed for a long, long time.
 

Reverend Blair

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I don't believe your "phone" people assertion.

your loss.


As for the tax deduction, I believe that all of the union dues are deductable. I don't think that has changed for a long, long time.

They were, I believe, changed from a refundable amount to a non-refundable tax credit. I wan't in a union at the time, but I know some friends were complaining about it.