Rebellious Nevada rancher's pro-slavery remarks dim Republican support

PoliticalNick

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Everyone else pays grazing rights... this guy is just a f*cking deadbeat..

I know lots of folks who pay for a fishing license every year too whereas I don't. That doesn't make me a deadbeat, it makes me someone who recognizes my innate human right to feed my family as paramount over any restriction some idiots in Ottawa can write on a piece of paper.

You must always remember that just because everyone else jumps off a bridge it doesn't make it the right thing to do.
 

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I know lots of folks who pay for a fishing license every year too whereas I don't. That doesn't make me a deadbeat, it makes me someone who recognizes my innate human right to feed my family as paramount over any restriction some idiots in Ottawa can write on a piece of paper.
Does that "inherent right" entitle you to take food from a store without paying? Or does the "restriction some idiots in Ottawa" wrote into the criminal code come into play?
 

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Not in Canada. Look at the rise in conservatism around this forum from former libs. Voter ID enforcement, enforcing immigrations laws, Canadian jobs for Canadians first. Ouch it must sting you eh?

If you are going to go by forums then you need to head to reddit and it makes this place look like Mussolini town.
 

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The fees are supposed to be returned to the land in the form of road-building and water-troughs and other such things rather than the money going into a common fund and no improvements made.

Good point MHZ. The govt failed in it's part of the contract for grazing rights therefore the contract should be null & void. We of course also have to go back to the original argument Bundy puts forth that the feds and BLM have illegally usurped control of the land and have no right to charge him anything. I happen to agree on both points.

The real f*cking deadbeats in this story are the feds who wish to collect something for nothing so they can give it to their corporate sponsors.

Does that "inherent right" entitle you to take food from a store without paying? Or does the "restriction some idiots in Ottawa" wrote into the criminal code come into play?

An individual owns the store and has invested their work and money into it. I own the country and it's resources equally with every other citizen. There is a huge difference between a commercial enterprise and natural resources of the land. Do you think your ancestors would have not hunted buffalo if some tribe across the country claimed they owned them? Your parable fails the laugh test. The first instance is stealing the benefits of somebody else's hard work and investment, the second instance is me stealing from me which is impossible.
 

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An individual owns the store and has invested their work and money into it. I own the country and it's resources equally with every other citizen. There is a huge difference between a commercial enterprise and natural resources of the land. Do you think your ancestors would have not hunted buffalo if some tribe across the country claimed they owned them? Your parable fails the laugh test. The first instance is stealing the benefits of somebody else's hard work and investment, the second instance is me stealing from me which is impossible.


The your argument concerning fishing falls flat. The Provincial governments invest quite a bit of money into conservation. Some of this money comes from License fees. I guess, though, you don't give a rats *** about conservation of a resource and don't feel you should have to pay for that, right?
 

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An individual owns the store and has invested their work and money into it. I own the country and it's resources equally with every other citizen. There is a huge difference between a commercial enterprise and natural resources of the land. Do you think your ancestors would have not hunted buffalo if some tribe across the country claimed they owned them? Your parable fails the laugh test. The first instance is stealing the benefits of somebody else's hard work and investment, the second instance is me stealing from me which is impossible.
Well, at least you recognise that your "inherent right" has limits.

So, next step. If the land in question is owned by an individual, does that limit your "inherent right" to use it? It's still part of "the country's resources," is it not?

And as to my ancestors, our notions of what was right and wrong were pretty much destroyed by your ancestors. So why are you invoking them now?
 

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The your argument concerning fishing falls flat. The Provincial governments invest quite a bit of money into conservation. Some of this money comes from License fees. I guess, though, you don't give a rats *** about conservation of a resource and don't feel you should have to pay for that, right?

Wrong as usual d*ckbreath. I am all for conservation but have different views on what that means and how to go about it. First it should be funded by the commercial fisherman, including the natives who fish commercially because they are the big threat to stocks, not the individual like me who catches 50 or so fish a year. Anybody caught selling fish without a commercial license or those buying those fish should be heavily fined. In short, those who threaten the resource and the stocks should be the ones limited in their use of the resource and the ones to pay for the conservation. To make it simple for an idiot like you G...commercial fisherman should be restricted in the amount they catch and foot the bill for conservation of the resource they exploit for profit.

Well, at least you recognise that your "inherent right" has limits.

So, next step. If the land in question is owned by an individual, does that limit your "inherent right" to use it? It's still part of "the country's resources," is it not?

And as to my ancestors, our notions of what was right and wrong were pretty much destroyed by your ancestors. So why are you invoking them now?

My innate rights stop when it becomes a commercial enterprise. And by that I mean if I am taking from somebody's business or using the resources of the land to make a profit.

The question of ownership is difficult. Did I benefit from the sale of that land in some way? If yes then my innate rights are forfeit as I traded my right for a benefit. If, as is common these days, the govt sold or leased some land and I received no benefit from the transaction then my innate rights trump any contract with the govt for sale or lease of said resource. This also leads to the question of whether the govt actually has any right to sell or lease what is inherently mine.

Just a small correction....my ancestors are in England and France, not the US or Canada so my ancestors did nothing to your ancestors which is why I always ask why the f*ck I should be paying the bill for deeds done by others to others 400 years ago? ;-)
 

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Wrong as usual d*ckbreath. I am all for conservation but have different views on what that means and how to go about it. First it should be funded by the commercial fisherman, including the natives who fish commercially because they are the big threat to stocks, not the individual like me who catches 50 or so fish a year. Anybody caught selling fish without a commercial license or those buying those fish should be heavily fined. In short, those who threaten the resource and the stocks should be the ones limited in their use of the resource and the ones to pay for the conservation. To make it simple for an idiot like you G...commercial fisherman should be restricted in the amount they catch and foot the bill for conservation of the resource they exploit for profit.


I see, other people should pay for your play. Got it.


Just a small correction....my ancestors are in England and France, not the US or Canada so my ancestors did nothing to your ancestors which is why I always ask why the f*ck I should be paying the bill for deeds done by others to others 400 years ago? ;-)


The deals were brokered by the Government. Therefore the Government has an obligation to honor and pay. If you or your ancestors didn't/don't like that arrangement, nothing is stopping you from leaving now.
 

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The your argument concerning fishing falls flat. The Provincial governments invest quite a bit of money into conservation. Some of this money comes from License fees. I guess, though, you don't give a rats *** about conservation of a resource and don't feel you should have to pay for that, right?

And try 'ranching' fish in open water without a license! Ranching will allow someone to do a lot more than feed their family. :lol:
 

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He hired al Qaeda?

The US Govt. has a long history of using snipers against Americans. Lon Tomohisa Horiuchi is the name of the federal sniper who shot and killed Vicki Weaver and also wounded her husband, Randy Weaver, and family friend Kevin Harris at Ruby Ridge, Idaho in 1992. Idaho v. Horiuchi, 253 F.3d 359 (9th Cir. 2001) (Kozinski, J.). Snipers were also deployed at Waco, Texas against the Branch Davidians. It is now customary to deploy federal snipers in the exercise of the federal police power. Law enforcement in the USA is increasingly militarized.

Conservatism has been in decline for a long time now.

Even most of today's right are actually liberals.

In many ways I agree with your first sentence. The composition of the electorate has changed as a result of the the birth and maturation of the children of illegal aliens imported to depress the wages of American workers. Moreover, the failure of the American public school system has produced a cohort of very ignorant voters lacking critical analysis.

The second sentence of your post is counterintuitive. Can you elaborate on how you arrived at the conclusion that most of today's right are actually liberals? Perhaps it depends on how one defines the term "liberal."
 

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My innate rights stop when it becomes a commercial enterprise. And by that I mean if I am taking from somebody's business or using the resources of the land to make a profit.
Only if someone else uses the resources to make a profit? So, it's OK to go hunting in somebody else's garden, so long as the owner isn't using it to make a profit?

The question of ownership is difficult. Did I benefit from the sale of that land in some way? If yes then my innate rights are forfeit as I traded my right for a benefit. If, as is common these days, the govt sold or leased some land and I received no benefit from the transaction then my innate rights trump any contract with the govt for sale or lease of said resource. This also leads to the question of whether the govt actually has any right to sell or lease what is inherently mine.
Hold on. You just raised a question. If the government sells land to a private individual, say a farmer, and he is using the land to make a profit, do you or do you not have the right to take from it what you see fit?

Just a small correction....my ancestors are in England and France, not the US or Canada so my ancestors did nothing to your ancestors which is why I always ask why the f*ck I should be paying the bill for deeds done by others to others 400 years ago? ;-)
Be comforted. You ain't paid a lead penny to me for anything.

As to the rest of it, if you don't already understand corporate personhood and attendant responsibility, I have neither the time nor the patience to explain them.

I will note, simply, that you appear to feel you have the right to benefit from what Canadians did before you were born (like pushing the Indians off the land and building the roads, rails, public buildings, &c.). So if you share so freely in the benefits of your predecessors' labour and treasure, why should you not also share in their misdeed?
 

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Wrong as usual d*ckbreath. I am all for conservation but have different views on what that means and how to go about it. First it should be funded by the commercial fisherman, including the natives who fish commercially because they are the big threat to stocks, not the individual like me who catches 50 or so fish a year. Anybody caught selling fish without a commercial license or those buying those fish should be heavily fined. In short, those who threaten the resource and the stocks should be the ones limited in their use of the resource and the ones to pay for the conservation. To make it simple for an idiot like you G...commercial fisherman should be restricted in the amount they catch and foot the bill for conservation of the resource they exploit for profit.



My innate rights stop when it becomes a commercial enterprise. And by that I mean if I am taking from somebody's business or using the resources of the land to make a profit.

The question of ownership is difficult. Did I benefit from the sale of that land in some way? If yes then my innate rights are forfeit as I traded my right for a benefit. If, as is common these days, the govt sold or leased some land and I received no benefit from the transaction then my innate rights trump any contract with the govt for sale or lease of said resource. This also leads to the question of whether the govt actually has any right to sell or lease what is inherently mine.

Just a small correction....my ancestors are in England and France, not the US or Canada so my ancestors did nothing to your ancestors which is why I always ask why the f*ck I should be paying the bill for deeds done by others to others 400 years ago? ;-)
Sounds good but I think if you tried to argue that in front of a judge after the CO dragged you in I am pretty sure you lose .
But I have been wrong before . Once.
 

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"The media distorts information to the point of social division. This is a photo of myself and the resilient, often charismatic, and maybe not so tactful Cliven Bundy. He’s a cowboy and a helluva family man, not an orator.

One thing he definitely isn’t – a racist.
I found his comments to not only be NOT racist, but his own view of his experiences. Who the heck are we to determine another man’s perspective on the world around him?! Just because Picasso’s view of the world was abstract, does it negate the fact that his art was genuine?

Furthermore, if you take the time to do your own research, you’ll find that his statements about some black Americans actually hold weight. He posed a hypothetical question. He said, “I wonder IF” … Hell, I’m black and I often wonder about the same about the decline of the black family.

Bottom line is that we are all slaves in this waning republic, no matter our skin color. Mr. Bundy could have used any racial demographic as an example: Native Americans on reservations, whites in trailer parks, etc. He noticed the crippling effects of receiving government “assistance” and the long term result of accepting handouts. It’s not progress at all. I challenge Sean Hannity, Rand Paul, and others to read my comment and reconsider their position in this matter.

Individual liberties are at stake here, yours and mine. THAT is the issue. Don’t let the liberal media and ignoramuses like Glenn Beck and that weasel Harry Reid make you lose sight of the real issue here: The federal government is a burgeoning behemoth and a bully on a once constitutional playground.I sincerely hope you real patriots out there who can see through the smoke".


Image: Charlie Delta, Facebook
 

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Not in Canada. Look at the rise in conservatism around this forum from former libs. Voter ID enforcement, enforcing immigrations laws, Canadian jobs for Canadians first. Ouch it must sting you eh?
there has been no rise in conservatism, no one has changed you have merely gotten a clearer understanding of people in here which should lead to the conclusion that boxing and assuming how others think is pointless endeavor.
 

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there has been no rise in conservatism, no one has changed you have merely gotten a clearer understanding of people in here which should lead to the conclusion that boxing and assuming how others think is pointless endeavor.
I've always thought it was interesting (and amusing) how Obama's election brought lots of stuff out of the woodworks. Even more fascinating that it's happening even outside the U.S.
 

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I've always thought it was interesting (and amusing) how Obama's election brought lots of stuff out of the woodworks. Even more fascinating that it's happening even outside the U.S.
a world wide phenomenon...you're right, never thought of it that way....why, why is it? what does it mean?
 

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a world wide phenomenon...you're right, never thought of it that way....why, why is it? what does it mean?
Probably means that the combination social/government action that occurred over the last 50 years drove a lot of stuff underground, but the stress of it hitting home in the most powerful office in the world is bringing it boiling back up.

That it's hitting outside the U.S. is just a reflection of the U.S.'s power and prominence in the world.
 

Sal

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Probably means that the combination social/government action that occurred over the last 50 years drove a lot of stuff underground, but the stress of it hitting home in the most powerful office in the world is bringing it boiling back up.

That it's hitting outside the U.S. is just a reflection of the U.S.'s power and prominence in the world.
and where will it go Tbones