Ready for Justin’s carbon tax?

Zipperfish

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The campaign hasn't started yet.

The best anti-Trudeau ads will originate from the NDP as they have the most to lose.

Trudeau, on the other hand provides an endless supply of attack material for the other political parties to use... It's rather entertaining to watch baby-t self destruct

That's the whole problem though--despite the gaffes, the Tories have been unable to get any traction witht he negative campaign. The "Trudeau is a fag" campaign backfired big time and probably lost the Conservatives votes--deservedly so. Attack ads don't work consistently. Disgraced conservatives Mike Duffy and Tom Flanagan have both provided fodder for the oppostion characterizing Harper as spiteful. So now attack ads simply reinforce the growing notion of Harper as vindictive.

The NDP do have the most to lose. And they will likely lose it. Their successful foray into Quebec doesn't seem to have the makings of a permanenet arrangement, in my opinion. But yes, I expect Mulcair will be as vituperative as Harper. We'll see if that works--he may fall victim to the same typecast that Harper has--Angry Tom.
 

captain morgan

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That's the whole problem though--despite the gaffes, the Tories have been unable to get any traction witht he negative campaign.

The attack ads have not yet started... Wait until the election is called and then we'll be seeing those ads from all parties

The "Trudeau is a fag" campaign backfired big time and probably lost the Conservatives votes--deservedly so.

Not familiar with that ad compaign

Attack ads don't work consistently.

Agreed, however, it also depends on the nature of the issues (gaffes) that are the potential subject matter for the ad.

All of the Parties have provided ample opportunity in this regard... My opinion is that Trudeau has offered up much more

Disgraced conservatives Mike Duffy and Tom Flanagan have both provided fodder for the oppostion characterizing Harper as spiteful. So now attack ads simply reinforce the growing notion of Harper as vindictive.

The Liberals will likely use this circumstance to their advantage. T*t for tat

The NDP do have the most to lose. And they will likely lose it. Their successful foray into Quebec doesn't seem to have the makings of a permanenet arrangement, in my opinion. But yes, I expect Mulcair will be as vituperative as Harper. We'll see if that works--he may fall victim to the same typecast that Harper has--Angry Tom.

The NDP rise (in my view) was solely a function of reaction against the Liberals.... My guess is that the Libs will regain many of those lost seats.

That said, you can count on Mulcair fighting for his very survival this next go-around and his best bet is by demonizing Trudeau in any and every possible fashion
 

Zipperfish

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The attack ads have not yet started... Wait until the election is called and then we'll be seeing those ads from all parties.

Maybe. Maybe not. Trudeau seems to be aiming for a campaign similar to Obama's first presidential run. He's even got a few insiders from that campaign on his team. Everyone said the same thing about Obama--that when the going got nasty, he start the attack ads himself. But he never did. He also mobilized the youth. And again, the orthodox view was that's a waste of time, because young people don't vote. But they did.





Not familiar with that ad compaign

Tories reluctant to discuss latest Trudeau attack ads - National | Globalnews.ca

Trudeau’s masculinity a subtext in Tory attack ads | Toronto Star
 

captain morgan

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Maybe. Maybe not. Trudeau seems to be aiming for a campaign similar to Obama's first presidential run. He's even got a few insiders from that campaign on his team. Everyone said the same thing about Obama--that when the going got nasty, he start the attack ads himself. But he never did. He also mobilized the youth. And again, the orthodox view was that's a waste of time, because young people don't vote. But they did.

We'll have to wait and see how the various strategies play out.

Trudeau can employ Obama's (successful) strategies however, I'll suggest that there are enough differences that he will see different results in the election (possibly better, possibly worse).

My view is that Trudeau's potential success will come at the expense of the NDP moreso than carving seats from the Conservatives... That said, the Libs simply need to have a strong focus on Quebec and they will grow immediately.
 

taxslave

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we've had a carbon tax in bc for while. It's revenue neutral which means all the money generated from the tax goes to tax cuts for the rich. It doesn't work. In vancouver it's still cheaper to drive than take public transit, which will barely get you anywhere anyway. No money from the carbon tax goes towards environmental programs. It is a regressive tax to funnel wealth to the upper class.

roflmfao
 

Count_Lothian

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Yeah, and I actually liked Dion, who showed signs of a functioning intellect, a backbone, and a realistic vision of Canada.............

unlike Justin.
You have no idea why he was elected as party leader.
You know nothing about Canadian politics you mean little Conservative ant of a human being.
The Liberals have one rule , An English leader then a French one.
They knew before the time of the leadership election who was going to be leader.
They always do ,moron.

When they know they won't win in the federal election they usually toss in someone in aid of the inner partisanship campaign to please the voting delegates and party faithful.

It's all just a play moron.

the Liberal Genius is above anything you can dream of.
 

coldstream

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Justin Trudeau is going to bring in a carbon tax. Just like his dad, Pierre Trudeau, did.

His dad called it the National Energy Program, and claimed it was for national sovereignty reasons, or whatever excuse worked with the media of the day.

It's 2014, so the excuse now is "the environment."

Trudeau announced his plans for a carbon tax last year in Calgary - at the Petroleum Club no less. It was a shocking announcement - but not a single other media outlet reported it, except a brief mention on the Globe and Mail's website.



The National Energy Program was NOT a Carbon Tax. It was attempt to bring in Federal public ownership and regulation of the key economic and energy input of Oil.. and bring it under the sphere of a National industrial strategy.

It was ill conceived at from the start, and aimed at control of retailing of oil.. rather than nationalization of natural resource and that of primary processing. The way most enlightened Oil producing countries have gone.

It was derailed by that pathetic little Provincial Potentate, Peter Lougheed who threatened to let the East 'Freeze in the Dark'. And the program was dismantled when Mulroney took power.. much to the distress of Canadian industry and consumers.. and much to the enrichment of the American Oil Industry and their running dogs and shills like Lougheed.

Everybody know Justin is a damn Fool. A chip off the Old Block, Margaret not Pierre. He is clueless, weak, in thrall of political fads what ever they may be.. AGW, homosexual legitimazion, euthenasia, Free Trade.. whatever.. He's got NO intellectual or philosophical centre whatsoever.. just a lot of wishy washy sentiment. And he'll NEVER be Prime Minister.
 
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Colpy

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You have no idea why he was elected as party leader.
You know nothing about Canadian politics you mean little Conservative ant of a human being.
The Liberals have one rule , An English leader then a French one.
They knew before the time of the leadership election who was going to be leader.
They always do ,moron.

When they know they won't win in the federal election they usually toss in someone in aid of the inner partisanship campaign to please the voting delegates and party faithful.

It's all just a play moron.

the Liberal Genius is above anything you can dream of.

Thank you.

I have achieved my purpose when I have driven you to blathering nonsense.

There are no other English Liberals besides Justin Trudeau?

That will be a problem come election time, don't you think?

**** you're an idiot.
 

Count_Lothian

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Thank you.

I have achieved my purpose when I have driven you to blathering nonsense.

There are no other English Liberals besides Justin Trudeau?

That will be a problem come election time, don't you think?

**** you're an idiot.
lol you really don't get it.

dementia?